Can You Hear Me Now?

[stevenash]

14 minutes ago, CardinalBacker said:

I have no clue what you think should be defended. You’ve already proven that no matter what is said or done, it is wrong in your and the rest of the left’s eyes. 
If a total of two Americans died, it would be his fault. He was ahead of the left on stay at home (in your own country) orders, and he was a xenophobic fear monger according to everybody. Now he’s at fault for downplaying everything. If you ask me, dems are at fault for failing to act in January.

They were too busy with impeachment efforts.  But, that is apparently "real leadership"

[stevenash]

1 minute ago, Realville said:

Open Letter To The NFL PLAYERS. The Boycott is coming.

You graduated high school in 2011. Your teenage years were a struggle. You grew up on the wrong side of the tracks. Your mother was the leader of the family and worked tirelessly to keep a roof over your head and food on your plate.

Academics were a struggle for you and your grades were mediocre at best. The only thing that made you stand out is you weighed 225 lbs and could run 40 yards in 4.2 seconds while carrying a football. Your best friend was just like you, except he didn’t play football. Instead of going to football practice after school, he went to work at McDonald’s for minimum wage. 

You were recruited by all the big colleges and spent every weekend of your senior year making visits to universities where coaches and boosters tried to convince you their school was best. They laid out the red carpet for you. Your best friend worked double shifts at Mickey D’s. College was not an option for him. On the day you signed with Big State University, your best friend signed paperwork with his Army recruiter. You went to summer workouts. He went to basic training.

You spent the next four years living in the athletic dorm, eating at the training table. You spent your Saturdays on the football field, cheered on by adoring fans.

Tutors attended to your every academic need. You attended class when you felt like it. Sure, you worked hard. You lifted weights, ran sprints, studied plays, and soon became one of the top football players in the country. Your best friend was assigned to the 101st Airborne Division. While you were in college, he deployed to Iraq once and Afghanistan twice. He became a Sergeant and led a squad of 19-year-old soldiers who grew up just like he did. He shed his blood in Afghanistan and watched young American's give their lives, limbs, and innocence for the US.

You went to the NFL combine and scored off the charts. You hired an agent and waited for draft day. You were drafted in the first round and your agent immediately went to work, ensuring that you received the most money possible. You signed for $16 million although you had never played a single down of professional football. Your best friend re-enlisted in the Army for four more years. As a combat tested sergeant, he will be paid $32,000 per year.

You will drive a Ferrari on the streets of South Beach. He will ride in the back of a Blackhawk helicopter with 10 other combat loaded soldiers. You will sleep at the Ritz. He will dig a hole in the ground and try to sleep. You will “make it rain” in the club. He will pray for rain as the temperature reaches 120 degrees.

On Sunday, you will run into a stadium as tens of thousands of fans cheer and yell your name. For your best friend, there is little difference between Sunday or any other day of the week. There are no adoring fans. There are only people trying to kill him and his soldiers. Every now and then, he and his soldiers leave the front lines and “go to the rear” to rest.

When the National Anthem plays and you take a knee, he will jump to his feet and salute the television. While you protest the unfairness of life in the United States, he will give thanks to God that he has the honor of defending his great country.

To the players of the NFL: We are the people who buy your tickets, watch you on TV, and wear your jerseys. We anxiously wait for Sundays so we can cheer for you and marvel at your athleticism. Although we love to watch you play, we care little about your opinions until you offend us. You have the absolute right to express yourselves, but we have the absolute right to boycott you. We have tolerated your drug use and DUIs, your domestic violence, and your vulgar displays of wealth. We should be ashamed for putting our admiration of your physical skills before what is morally right. But now you have gone too far. You have insulted our flag, our country, our soldiers, our police officers, and our veterans. You are living the American dream, yet you disparage our great country. I encourage all like-minded Americans to boycott the NFL.

National boycott of the NFL is November 8th & 15th in honor of Veteran’s Day, November 11. Boycott all football telecast, all fans, all ticket holders, stay away from attending any games, let them play to empty stadiums. Pass this post along to all your friends and family. Honor our military - some of whom come home with the American flag draped over their coffin.  
Add MLB, NBA, and any other sport that kneels to this 🇺🇸

Original author unknown 
#BoycottNFL #BoycottTheNFL #NFLBoycott
#BoycottNBA #BoycottTheNBA #NBABoycott
#BoycottMLB #MLBBoycott
#USA #Veterans #backtheblue #StandForTheFlag
#VetsforTrump #TeddyDaniels

B R A V O

[Realville]

2 minutes ago, stevenash said:

They were too busy with impeachment efforts.  But, that is apparently "real leadership"

You beat me to it. Funny how these idiots on the left forget about the phony impeachment trail. Them along with the media were consumed with that BS Trail!

[stevenash]

The football boycott is a fantastic note.   I need to find a way to contact you and  move this to facebook and other media outlets to get wide circulation.  How can I contact you?

[Realville]

1 hour ago, stevenash said:

The football boycott is a fantastic note.   I need to find a way to contact you and  move this to facebook and other media outlets to get wide circulation.  How can I contact you?

You should be able to copy and paste it to a Facebook post. I also just sent a copy to your mailbox for this forum.

[WOSdrummer99]

Real talk, @Realville. I like it.

[5GallonBucket]

1 hour ago, Realville said:

Open Letter To The NFL PLAYERS. The Boycott is coming.

You graduated high school in 2011. Your teenage years were a struggle. You grew up on the wrong side of the tracks. Your mother was the leader of the family and worked tirelessly to keep a roof over your head and food on your plate.

Academics were a struggle for you and your grades were mediocre at best. The only thing that made you stand out is you weighed 225 lbs and could run 40 yards in 4.2 seconds while carrying a football. Your best friend was just like you, except he didn’t play football. Instead of going to football practice after school, he went to work at McDonald’s for minimum wage. 

You were recruited by all the big colleges and spent every weekend of your senior year making visits to universities where coaches and boosters tried to convince you their school was best. They laid out the red carpet for you. Your best friend worked double shifts at Mickey D’s. College was not an option for him. On the day you signed with Big State University, your best friend signed paperwork with his Army recruiter. You went to summer workouts. He went to basic training.

You spent the next four years living in the athletic dorm, eating at the training table. You spent your Saturdays on the football field, cheered on by adoring fans.

Tutors attended to your every academic need. You attended class when you felt like it. Sure, you worked hard. You lifted weights, ran sprints, studied plays, and soon became one of the top football players in the country. Your best friend was assigned to the 101st Airborne Division. While you were in college, he deployed to Iraq once and Afghanistan twice. He became a Sergeant and led a squad of 19-year-old soldiers who grew up just like he did. He shed his blood in Afghanistan and watched young American's give their lives, limbs, and innocence for the US.

You went to the NFL combine and scored off the charts. You hired an agent and waited for draft day. You were drafted in the first round and your agent immediately went to work, ensuring that you received the most money possible. You signed for $16 million although you had never played a single down of professional football. Your best friend re-enlisted in the Army for four more years. As a combat tested sergeant, he will be paid $32,000 per year.

You will drive a Ferrari on the streets of South Beach. He will ride in the back of a Blackhawk helicopter with 10 other combat loaded soldiers. You will sleep at the Ritz. He will dig a hole in the ground and try to sleep. You will “make it rain” in the club. He will pray for rain as the temperature reaches 120 degrees.

On Sunday, you will run into a stadium as tens of thousands of fans cheer and yell your name. For your best friend, there is little difference between Sunday or any other day of the week. There are no adoring fans. There are only people trying to kill him and his soldiers. Every now and then, he and his soldiers leave the front lines and “go to the rear” to rest.

When the National Anthem plays and you take a knee, he will jump to his feet and salute the television. While you protest the unfairness of life in the United States, he will give thanks to God that he has the honor of defending his great country.

To the players of the NFL: We are the people who buy your tickets, watch you on TV, and wear your jerseys. We anxiously wait for Sundays so we can cheer for you and marvel at your athleticism. Although we love to watch you play, we care little about your opinions until you offend us. You have the absolute right to express yourselves, but we have the absolute right to boycott you. We have tolerated your drug use and DUIs, your domestic violence, and your vulgar displays of wealth. We should be ashamed for putting our admiration of your physical skills before what is morally right. But now you have gone too far. You have insulted our flag, our country, our soldiers, our police officers, and our veterans. You are living the American dream, yet you disparage our great country. I encourage all like-minded Americans to boycott the NFL.

National boycott of the NFL is November 8th & 15th in honor of Veteran’s Day, November 11. Boycott all football telecast, all fans, all ticket holders, stay away from attending any games, let them play to empty stadiums. Pass this post along to all your friends and family. Honor our military - some of whom come home with the American flag draped over their coffin.  
Add MLB, NBA, and any other sport that kneels to this 🇺🇸

Original author unknown 
#BoycottNFL #BoycottTheNFL #NFLBoycott
#BoycottNBA #BoycottTheNBA #NBABoycott
#BoycottMLB #MLBBoycott
#USA #Veterans #backtheblue #StandForTheFlag
#VetsforTrump #TeddyDaniels

Thank you for sharing.

[stevenash]

When some of us buys a ticket to see a professional sports activity, the intent for most of us is to be entertained and to enjoy a temporary respite from the day to day issues in the country.  When I hire the plumber to come to my home or when I go to see my physician, the last thing I want is an exercise in anything but the plumbing or medical problem.  Did you read the letter directly above your post?   This is the same NFL that would NOT permit the Dallas Cowboys team to wear the name of murdered police officers on their helmets because it "might" be divisive.  Do you honestly believe that all of this demonstration will alter the number of black people who wind up being shot by police? 

 

Can you imagine being raped and then seeing the rapists name on NFL players helmets/jerseys? ( I guess "justice" is to be applied very selectively)

[CardinalBacker]

17 minutes ago, SW1966 said:

I don’t understand the backlash against professional sports players signaling their unity against social injustice, or why players are blasted for taking a knee during the anthem.  Ask yourself would you have the same reactions if these same players took a knee during the anthem to protest abortion?  I do not see it as an insult against anything, just a way to protest.  What gives you the right to tell them they cannot do this?

That is incorrect, at least as far as I’m concerned. I would not support any demonstration of protest during the anthem, regardless. 
 

The anthem is supposed to unify us. 

[Realville]

On 9/12/2020 at 10:26 AM, UT alum said:

Trump talked to Xi Jinping in the days before his lies. They knew. 
Pandemics are no one’s fault. The response to them is directly related to the quality of leadership on the national level.

Found some more hypocrisy for you UT! 

[CardinalBacker]

9 minutes ago, SW1966 said:

CardinalBacker, thank you for your response.  I don’t completely agree with what you said, but I respect your opinion.

I’ve also wondered what type of “protest” I would find more palatable. I know in the 60s a lot of people were offended by the “black power” fist by Black American athletes during the anthem.... that doesn’t bother me like the kneeling does. I raised my kids (as I was raised) to stand when the anthem is played. It was a big deal... just like bowing your head or at least being quiet when somebody of any faith is praying or standing up when shaking someone’s hand. 
 

In my mind, if the same players stood at attention for a reasonable amount of time after the anthem is finished, they’d probably be doing so with tons of support. There has to be plenty of ways to express one’s beliefs without causing the very people that you’re trying to reach to tune you at. 
 

I don’t think anybody has watched the kneeling and been like “you know, they’re right... I think I need to look into this police violence issue they’re talking about.” It’s been purely about kneeling, not about discussions about equality. 
 

[stevenash]

27 minutes ago, SW1966 said:

Stevenash, no I don’t think it will change the shooting until there is real policy change and better police candidate training, as well as significant reduction in the power of police unions.  And no I am not anti-police, but objective evidence shows some people should not be police officers and need to go.

Can you name an occupation where that is not the case?   What method does one use to predict who will be a problem in the future?  I noticed that you did not respond to my question about the rapists name being on NFL helmets/jerseys

 

According to statista, a report mechanism for law enforcement, the following shooting deaths by police are as follows:

 

2017 457 whites shot and killed by police officers

          223 blacks shot and killed by police officers

 

2018 399 whites shot and killed by police officers

          209 blacks shot and killed by police officers

 

2019  370 white shot and killed by police officers

           235 blacks  shot and killed by police officers

[WOSdrummer99]

If these overpaid atheletes shared their wealth with the communities they came from. Either to retrain police, invest in the community, or just give back to the minority groups they are protesting for.

Oh, that's why they make it rain in the club.

And not think that they need to drive Lambos and Ferraris. Patrick Mahomes just invested in the KC Royals?

[Ty Cobb]

36 minutes ago, SW1966 said:

Stevenash, no I don’t think it will change the shooting until there is real policy change and better police candidate training, as well as significant reduction in the power of police unions.  And no I am not anti-police, but objective evidence shows some people should not be police officers and need to go.

Why change the police, their training or reduce police power? Why not change the criminals? How about stop the criminals from committing crimes and reduce their power?

[CardinalBacker]

I’ve wondered where Shaq is on all of this. I can remember that he was a reserve deputy in LA County or someplace years ago. I’d be curious to hear what he has to say. 

[stevenash]

6 minutes ago, Ty Cobb said:

Why change the police, their training or reduce police power? Why not change the criminals? How about stop the criminals from committing crimes and reduce their power?

Isnt it just AMAZING that nobody ever offers this as, at least, part of the solution.

[stevenash]

What specific methods are  you recommending for the screening of police candidates?  What characteristics prove that they plan to , in the future, after they get there job, go and kill a black person?

[stevenash]

22 minutes ago, SW1966 said:

Stevenash, your helmet question would be horrible for the victim.  Your crime statistics are misleading.  The differences of shootings between whites and blacks should be much higher due to the big percentage difference of whites and blacks in the country.  This really is important and leaving this out is deceptive.

I disagree.   The numbers that would interest me are not what percentage of population are black but rather the percentage of crimes committed by them.

[Ty Cobb]

13 minutes ago, SW1966 said:

There are things we can do to help reduce crimes, but we still need better screening of police candidates (I have been involved in this) and reducing police union power which allows police who commit crimes to keep their job.

We need to stop people from committing crimes. We need to stop glorifying criminals. We need to stop sorry organizations and movements, like blm and antifa, who support criminals!!!

[stevenash]

Just now, SW1966 said:

Well, I will not divulge that.  The police officers who commit crimes - and I said nothing about killing a black person - should not continue to be a police officer.  While the great majority of police officers are honest people who serve their community, you would be surprised about the illegal and immoral acts in which some police engage.

And you have some special insight into that?   Also please tell me what profession is without bad apples.

[CardinalBacker]

2 minutes ago, SW1966 said:

Well, I will not divulge that.  The police officers who commit crimes - and I said nothing about killing a black person - should not continue to be a police officer.  While the great majority of police officers are honest people who serve their community, you would be surprised about the illegal and immoral acts in which some police engage.

Here’s where you and I probably disagree. I want bad mf’ers to be cops.... because they’re protecting me and mine from those other REALLY bad dudes, and honestly, that cute 27 year old White female cop with the cute butt is gonna get destroyed when she comes face to face with a 3-time ex-con Aryan Brotherhood soldier who knows he’s going up for life. Her only chance is to shoot him. Those meathead cops that nobody likes actually save lives. 

When people throw out stats like “228 blacks killed by cops last year,” they are leaving out the fact that a lot of them had it coming.... like that BLM supporter that killed five cops in Dallas. His life is included in those stats as well. 

[stevenash]

2 minutes ago, SW1966 said:

Stevenash, I have specialized training and decades of experience in forensic psychology and have seen some of the worst people in this world.

And are you telling me that 14% or less are black?

[CardinalBacker]

Just now, stevenash said:

And are you telling me that 14% or less are black?

No, that’s not what he said. He’s going to say that we need to look at the factors that force black people to commit those acts.  

[stevenash]

Perhaps he will say that.  But if you commit a crime, you committed a crime and there is no justification for having done so.

[stevenash]

8 minutes ago, SW1966 said:

Let me say this.  I do not glorify or support criminals of any group.  I have evaluated hundreds of criminals and absolutely do not consider their ethnic group, sex, or religion.  Those demographics are irrelevant, and I have a responsibility to my profession to remain objective and act ethically.  Unfortunately, our justice system is fraught with bias.  But that still does not change the fact THAT person committed the crime.  If you support BLM and kill someone for that, this is a crime and you pay the consequences.  Killing a police officer - or anyone - as a protest is abhorrent.  So is it when a police officer commits a crime against ANY citizen.

SW1966- Based upon your experience, please tell me how many police officers wake up every day and, before they go to work, think to themselves, " I am going to kill a black person today".  If you are so conversant with statistics, tell me how many of those blacks killed by police officers this year, had no criminal record.