Hull-Daisetta 46 West Hardin 0/FINAL

[Guest]

On 9/19/2020 at 12:04 AM, Uncle Pig said:

I feel badly for those WH kids; this is the type of stuff that happens when you have the AD being the head basketball coach...recipe for disaster. 

You are indeed correct, sir.

[Eric Cartman]

8 hours ago, TXHORN_ET said:

Goes back to the old argument when it comes to kids specializing in one sport. I’m not saying this is happening at West Hardin, but it’s difficult to put a winning football team on the field year in and year out if the kids don’t play.  I wonder how many of these small schools in the area stress their track program. That’s where your overall program is built.

Now someone please help me off my soapbox. The balance isn’t as good any longer.

I still don’t understand why the AD needs to be the football coach and the only answer I got was “football is king” 

Why is it different? You bringing up specializing just implies that AD’s get gets to specialize in their sport which is typically football, and basketball and baseball coaches deal with that every year and nobody feels bad for them? 

[TXHORN_ET]

5 minutes ago, Eric Cartman said:

I still don’t understand why the AD needs to be the football coach and the only answer I got was “football is king” 

Why is it different? You bringing up specializing just implies that AD’s get gets to specialize in their sport which is typically football, and basketball and baseball coaches deal with that every year and nobody feels bad for them? 

What I'm saying is there are good number of kids in small schools that don't play football and will 'specialize' in , let's say, baseball.  There is nothing wrong with that if they so choose.  Most small schools rely on their student athletes to participate in as many sports as they possibly are able. 

I once lived in a 5A district where the AD was the Tennis coach. How many times has anyone seen that?

 

 

[NetCat]

30 minutes ago, TXHORN_ET said:

What I'm saying is there are good number of kids in small schools that don't play football and will 'specialize' in , let's say, baseball.  There is nothing wrong with that if they so choose.  Most small schools rely on their student athletes to participate in as many sports as they possibly are able. 

I once lived in a 5A district where the AD was the Tennis coach. How many times has anyone seen that?

 

 

Never heard of that lol. 

[Eric Cartman]

1 hour ago, TXHORN_ET said:

What I'm saying is there are good number of kids in small schools that don't play football and will 'specialize' in , let's say, baseball.  There is nothing wrong with that if they so choose.  Most small schools rely on their student athletes to participate in as many sports as they possibly are able. 

I once lived in a 5A district where the AD was the Tennis coach. How many times has anyone seen that?

 

 

I don’t see how it’s any different if a kid specializes in baseball or football, which is the typical case here since most ADs are football coaches. Which is why i think AD should be purely an administrative position. There’s obvious bias if they also are the head coach of a sport. Especially since we are talking about WH and I don’t think football is bringing in more money than basketball at that school and that was most likely the case before the basketball coach was the AD.

[HD94]

I believe you should reward your best coach with the AD title.  If that means its the girls basketball coach then it is what it is.  I think the issue comes in that a good head football coach expects the AD title and pay.  I am just crazy enough to think we should do what's best for the students, and I believe that is rewarding good coaches, those not only successful on the field or court but those able to build relationships with the students.  You want more kids involved in more sports, someone has to do the hard work of building relationships.  When we had Coach Finney at HD, we fielded a JV and Varsity football team and had more girls involved in athletics, simply because students loved him and wanted to play for him not because he was AD.

[NetCat]

Something you guys aren't thinking about is pay. Hard to get a good head football coach without giving him the pay bump for AD.

[H-D BOBCAT 55]

4 hours ago, HD94 said:

I believe you should reward your best coach with the AD title.  If that means its the girls basketball coach then it is what it is.  I think the issue comes in that a good head football coach expects the AD title and pay.  I am just crazy enough to think we should do what's best for the students, and I believe that is rewarding good coaches, those not only successful on the field or court but those able to build relationships with the students.  You want more kids involved in more sports, someone has to do the hard work of building relationships.  When we had Coach Finney at HD, we fielded a JV and Varsity football team and had more girls involved in athletics, simply because students loved him and wanted to play for him not because he was AD.

Yep, Coach Finney rekindled the HD Bobcat athletic program, especially football and girls athletics. Without that hire, HD would be down for the count. HD went undefeated in District 2 year in a row, lost to power Alto 2 times in a row in playoffs, by like 6 points combined. Alto went deep both those two years. Shame we lost Coach Finney, there is something special about the man, may not be a better AD/HC for rebuilding 2A-3A programs in the State. Everywhere he goes, he wins. Students just wanted to play for Finney... 

[Eric Cartman]

5 hours ago, NetCat said:

Something you guys aren't thinking about is pay. Hard to get a good head football coach without giving him the pay bump for AD.

Why would that be so hard? The other head coaches at the school work hard without getting AD pay. I don’t think high school coaches go into coaching for the money. 

[NetCat]

1 hour ago, Eric Cartman said:

Why would that be so hard? The other head coaches at the school work hard without getting AD pay. I don’t think high school coaches go into coaching for the money. 

You must not understand how much more work head football is than any other sport. (No offense) 

Also why would any head coach of caliber come to a school for less than AD? Only thing you'll get is first year guys that will leave asap for somewhere that will give them AD. 

I guess it just depends if you want your football team to be good or not. 

Just my opinion. 

[Eric Cartman]

6 hours ago, NetCat said:

You must not understand how much more work head football is than any other sport. (No offense) 

Also why would any head coach of caliber come to a school for less than AD? Only thing you'll get is first year guys that will leave asap for somewhere that will give them AD. 

I guess it just depends if you want your football team to be good or not. 

Just my opinion. 

You must not understand how much more help a head football coach gets than any other sport at the school. I understand that it’s more work to be the head football coach than it is for other sports, but they also typically get much more help (from all freshman/Jv/ and even middle school coaches along with varsity assistants). 
 

 And I definitely believe that you could get a quality head coach by choosing one of the many qualified assistants that would love to run their own program and be able to put that on their resume (even if you don’t get AD pay). Of course they would leave for the next available AD position, but those don’t open up too often or they would have most likely been an AD. 

I just don’t see why you can’t be good, or your expected to be bad if your football coach isn’t the AD is all I’m saying. sure it helps, but y’all are acting like it’s an excuse when baseball and basketball coaches do this every season (with their assistant coaches that the football AD hired to help him not basketball and baseball and for much less money) and they make it work without a problem and nobody feels bad for the kids in those programs. 
 

So by your logic if you want your softball team to be good the softball coach has to be the AD? 

I don’t know. I probably shouldn’t have even said anything because this clearly isn’t going anywhere, but i can’t sleep at night. I just thought it was weird to see people say they feel sorry for the kids because the basketball coach (Who is pretty good at that job)  was the AD and not the football coach when I don’t see that as a valid excuse to be bad. 
 

if WH made the football coach (Same guy that’s there now) the AD reassigned the basketball coach to just coach basketball on Monday would you feel less sorry for the kids and expect them to be better? 

[NetCat]

6 hours ago, Eric Cartman said:

You must not understand how much more help a head football coach gets than any other sport at the school. I understand that it’s more work to be the head football coach than it is for other sports, but they also typically get much more help (from all freshman/Jv/ and even middle school coaches along with varsity assistants). 
 

 And I definitely believe that you could get a quality head coach by choosing one of the many qualified assistants that would love to run their own program and be able to put that on their resume (even if you don’t get AD pay). Of course they would leave for the next available AD position, but those don’t open up too often or they would have most likely been an AD. 

I just don’t see why you can’t be good, or your expected to be bad if your football coach isn’t the AD is all I’m saying. sure it helps, but y’all are acting like it’s an excuse when baseball and basketball coaches do this every season (with their assistant coaches that the football AD hired to help him not basketball and baseball and for much less money) and they make it work without a problem and nobody feels bad for the kids in those programs. 
 

So by your logic if you want your softball team to be good the softball coach has to be the AD? 

I don’t know. I probably shouldn’t have even said anything because this clearly isn’t going anywhere, but i can’t sleep at night. I just thought it was weird to see people say they feel sorry for the kids because the basketball coach (Who is pretty good at that job)  was the AD and not the football coach when I don’t see that as a valid excuse to be bad. 
 

if WH made the football coach (Same guy that’s there now) the AD reassigned the basketball coach to just coach basketball on Monday would you feel less sorry for the kids and expect them to be better? 

We'll just have to agree to disagree. 

[Broncos2447]

IMO, the AD should be separate from a head football coach or any coach all together, if possible. That way, there isn't conflict with that. 

[OverTheBack]

So if the AD position at WH where to be changed today to the football coach, then they'd start winning? The kids would instantly be better, is that how it works? Interesting (...frantically writes down notes)

[TXHORN_ET]

3 hours ago, OverTheBack said:

So if the AD position at WH where to be changed today to the football coach, then they'd start winning? The kids would instantly be better, is that how it works? Interesting (...frantically writes down notes)

I believe that falls into the "ain't happenin" category!

[OverTheBack]

Who the AD is don't mean squat. At these smaller schools especially, it's about the Jimmy's and the Joe's.