Right call?

[no-look]

Player attempts a lob pass to player in the paint. The passer is beyond the three point line. Pass is over thrown and goes in bucket.  Signaled a three but later ruled a two.  Because of the rule of intent.  That’s a new one for me. Lol

[oldman]

Rule of intent....   I would like to have them show me that in the rule book.   There is no such thing.   If that’s the case the only fouls that could be called would be intentional fouls.  All others would be no calls because intent was no existent 

[stevenash]

I saw one I have never seen before.   Offensive player is dribbling ball in the final 30 seconds of the game.  The defender is , for a brief second, in front of him in the proper defensive position.   Offensive player goes past defender and defender winds up being BEHIND the offensive player and, rather than try to re-establish his position between offensive player and basket ( probably because of time left and being behind by 10 points) simply stands behind the offensive player but in very close proximity.  The referee blows whistle and calls 5 second closely guarded violation.

[Hooohead.com]

1 hour ago, stevenash said:

I saw one I have never seen before.   Offensive player is dribbling ball in the final 30 seconds of the game.  The defender is , for a brief second, in front of him in the proper defensive position.   Offensive player goes past defender and defender winds up being BEHIND the offensive player and, rather than try to re-establish his position between offensive player and basket ( probably because of time left and being behind by 10 points) simply stands behind the offensive player but in very close proximity.  The referee blows whistle and calls 5 second closely guarded violation.

As long as the player dribbling didnt get enough separation that didnt warrant the count to stop...its a 5 second defensive stop...way to keep playing to the defensive kid...

[stevenash]

I contend that  the count stopped when the dribbler passed the defender and then stayed in front of him intentionally and the defender made to effort to regain the defensive position.  JFrom my perspective, being in front of the defender is more than enough "separation"

[HasBeen36]

4 hours ago, no-look said:

Player attempts a lob pass to player in the paint. The passer is beyond the three point line. Pass is over thrown and goes in bucket.  Signaled a three but later ruled a two.  Because of the rule of intent.  That’s a new one for me. Lol

Was this at the SFA game?? It was awesome

[BH85]

4 hours ago, no-look said:

Player attempts a lob pass to player in the paint. The passer is beyond the three point line. Pass is over thrown and goes in bucket.  Signaled a three but later ruled a two.  Because of the rule of intent.  That’s a new one for me. Lol

Was this in a High School game or college?

[no-look]

22 minutes ago, BH85 said:

Was this in a High School game or college?

College

[whsalum]

I was always under the impression if the ball left the hands of the offensive guy from behind the arc and went in it was a 3. How in the world could the official claim to know intent 

[bleacher_bum]

On 12/7/2020 at 12:38 PM, stevenash said:

I contend that  the count stopped when the dribbler passed the defender and then stayed in front of him intentionally and the defender made to effort to regain the defensive position.  JFrom my perspective, being in front of the defender is more than enough "separation"

So your contention that the defender has to be "in front" of offender?  What about the left side, or the right side?  The rule is within 6 feet, defend where you want.

[ballwatch]

On 12/7/2020 at 1:10 PM, no-look said:

College

SFA game right, saw that 

[no-look]

2 hours ago, ballwatch said:

SFA game right, saw that 

Yep. Weird. 

[stevenash]

3 hours ago, bleacher_bum said:

So your contention that the defender has to be "in front" of offender?  What about the left side, or the right side?  The rule is within 6 feet, defend where you want.

Defend where you want?  According to that theory, a defender can chase an offender the length of the court and even though he is behind him for the length of the court, he will earn the five second closely guarded call by simply never being behind the offender more than 6 feet.   Please let me know how often you have seen that called and where it took place.

[BH85]

From NFHS rulebook:
4-10: A closely guarded situation occurs when a player in control of the ball in his/her team’s frontcourt, is continuously guarded by any opponent who is within six feet of the player who is holding or dribbling the ball. The distance must be measured from the forward foot/feet of the defender to the forward foot/feet of the ball handler. A closely guarded count must be terminated when the offensive player in control of the ball gets his/her head and shoulders past the defensive player.

fyi:  Another defensive player can pick up the 5 second count if closely guarded is still maintained

 

[oldschool2]

On 12/7/2020 at 8:18 AM, no-look said:

Player attempts a lob pass to player in the paint. The passer is beyond the three point line. Pass is over thrown and goes in bucket.  Signaled a three but later ruled a two.  Because of the rule of intent.  That’s a new one for me. Lol

I say call it a technical foul.  If you can't pass any better than that then the other team should get free throws and possession.

[Cardinal 1]

On 12/9/2020 at 1:04 PM, BH85 said:

From NFHS rulebook:
4-10: A closely guarded situation occurs when a player in control of the ball in his/her team’s frontcourt, is continuously guarded by any opponent who is within six feet of the player who is holding or dribbling the ball. The distance must be measured from the forward foot/feet of the defender to the forward foot/feet of the ball handler. A closely guarded count must be terminated when the offensive player in control of the ball gets his/her head and shoulders past the defensive player.

fyi:  Another defensive player can pick up the 5 second count if closely guarded is still maintained

 

so that means the ref blew it

[itsme2]

On 12/10/2020 at 1:28 PM, Cardinal 1 said:

so that means the ref blew it

Yes the ref misapplied the rule...the defender must be in legal guarding 

position for the rule to be applied correctly (example if the defender is within six feet of the ball handler but has one foot out of bounds the closely guarded count shouldn't start because the defender isn't a legal player due to his/her foot being out of bounds. If the player is just standing within six feet of ball handler not trying to defend is another reason why the count shouldn't start. That ref just wanted to been seen or wasn't knowledgeable of the in depth rules that make the difference between a referee and an offical (There is a difference) but that's a story for another post!