Interesting Pirate facts

[oldschool2]

11 hours ago, Pho Rizzle said:

     Yeah but we dropped from 22-5A to 4A his first year so ...................... Before that we were in a district with Central, West Brook, LaPorte, Lee, Sterling & Deer Park, all of which had way larger numbers than us. . That drop in classification coinciding with his first year at the helm is what contributed to the "turning the program around" illusion.  That is one important factor that people often overlook when comparing him to coaches of the past and he wouldn't have done any better than any of the previous coaches if he had been in the same circumstances.

     You've got to look deeper than the surface and consider all variables. I

 

The UIL cutoff numbers is responsible for winners and losers every reclassification.  I know that, and have argued that very point.

However, perception is reality.  To the mob (parents and fans), the only things that matters are playing time and wins.  A coach that goes 8-2 with garbage competition and some decent kids is a hero while a coach that goes 2-8 in a gauntlet with no players deserves to be fired.

You’re not saying anything I don’t know.  Why do you think I get ridiculed when I say things like, “WOS can’t get out of the region when Carthage is in it”?  I’m bashed by the locals for even mentioning stuff like that.

This particular topic, he’s relatively more successful (on paper) than his predecessors.  The resume doesn’t include strength of schedule.

[piratevillain]

2 hours ago, Pho Rizzle said:

2000 we were in the very weak 19-4A district or we wouldnt have made the playoffs. The big dogs where still in 20-4A.

Very true!!

[navydawg31]

4 hours ago, Pho Rizzle said:

2000 we were in the very weak 19-4A district or we wouldnt have made the playoffs. The big dogs where still in 20-4A.

Do you happen to remember the districts back then for 19 4A and 20 4A...? I remember Nederland playing and beating ozen in bi district during those time frames... 

[Bigdog]

3 hours ago, navydawg31 said:

Do you happen to remember the districts back then for 19 4A and 20 4A...? I remember Nederland playing and beating ozen in bi district during those time frames... 

Vidor, Silsbee, Ozen, Jasper??, LCM I think 

[Tim Riggins]

1 hour ago, Bigdog said:

Vidor, Silsbee, Ozen, Jasper??, LCM I think 

Plus Lumberton and Livingston.  Not sure about LCM.   19-4A  was not as strong as 20-4A, but it was a competitive district.  Recall some close games  

[piratevillain]

I believe the district was Vidor, Ozen, Jasper, Livingston, Lumberton, and Silsbee. 

I remember Nederland facing Ozen a few times in the bi-district round and even faced Vidor twice during the 2000 season, once in non-district and then in the bi-district round at Lamar. I remember that game cause it was wet, misty, and COLD!

[oldschool2]

On 12/12/2020 at 1:42 PM, Pho Rizzle said:

Like i said "surface deep". Many variables are hidden below the surface.

Surface deep is all that it takes to appease the mob more times than not.  Wins and playing time... that's truly only surface deep.  Yet, it gets coaches hired and fired on a yearly basis. 

[piratevillain]

13 hours ago, Pho Rizzle said:

They also beat vidor 19-6 at cardinal stadium in the first round during the time that the local 4As were split.

the first meeting of Nederland and Vidor the score was 28-10 and the second meeting in the playoffs, the score was 21-9.