Biden Wins Electoral

[stevenash]

11 hours ago, BLUEDOVE3 said:

Typical Trumper! I thought about a money making proposition. Making decals saying, "America, Love It or Leave It."

How dare you have capitalistic thoughts?   You have oft stated that this is a source of evil.

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[Reagan]

Sydney Powell Building massive RICO case against Dominion/Smartmatic!

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[BS Wildcats]

11 hours ago, Big girl said:

Dump Trump

Cheat To Win Dims!!😏

[Hagar]

And Dems can truthfully make decals. “America, love it or cheat it”.

The Democrat voters are the product of manipulation and brainwashing.   They only know what they’ve been told, via the MSM or Social Media.   So they were told for almost 3 years - Trump was guilty of Russian Collusion - They were told orange man bad - Orange man, and his supporters racist - They’re constantly told FOX News lies - etc. etc.   Then comes the proof.  The lies by omission.  The Hunter Biden scandal, exposed by the NY Post with proof, the oldest newspaper in America.   Both Media outlets, News & Social, get all self righteous and squash the story.  There are even former CIA Directors, Bremmer & Panetta, quoted as saying it’s Russian disinformation.   And the manipulation & brainwashing is complete.   Thirty percent of voters in one swing state had never heard of the Hunter Biden story & ten percent said they would have changed their vote, enough to give Trump the win.

So the New Media, assumed by our Founding Fathers to be the watchdog of our Republic, is now nothing more than a propaganda arm of the Democratic Party & their agenda.  There is no watchdog.  No guard at the gate.   Our Republic is in serious trouble.

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[BLUEDOVE3]

22 hours ago, BS Wildcats said:

The very first thought after I read her post.  But, the ignorant, do not view abortion as murder.

Women aren't going to stop getting abortions just because ... Even nuns have been known to get abortions. Now, I'll let you dwell on that for a second.

[BLUEDOVE3]

12 hours ago, stevenash said:

How dare you have capitalistic thoughts?   You have oft stated that this is a source of evil.

I know Stevie. The ATM you gave me years ago ran out of funds. I gotta find new streams of income off yall.

[Hagar]

13 hours ago, stevenash said:

How dare you have capitalistic thoughts?   You have oft stated that this is a source of evil.

Stevenash, since you may be more familiar with this, since it probably comes up in business dealings.

Should Joe Biden be required to register as an agent of a foreign government?

Asking for a friend.....  😂😂🤣😂😂

[BS Wildcats]

1 hour ago, BLUEDOVE3 said:

Women aren't going to stop getting abortions just because ... Even nuns have been known to get abortions. Now, I'll let you dwell on that for a second.

How about you dwell on this!!  The Dims are a godless bunch that support murder, and evidently you agree with it.  You have to agree with, or you wouldn’t stand with these heathens.  I don’t card if a nun gets an abortion, they can rot in hell, along with all the other murderous baby killers out there.

[baddog]

17 hours ago, BS Wildcats said:

How about you dwell on this!!  The Dims are a godless bunch that support murder, and evidently you agree with it.  You have to agree with, or you wouldn’t stand with these heathens.  I don’t card if a nun gets an abortion, they can rot in hell, along with all the other murderous baby killers out there.

Was/is she a Catholic in good standing?

[BLUEDOVE3]

On 12/14/2020 at 7:46 PM, baddog said:

Democrats do not love America. They can all leave. I feel that way very strongly about Texas.

Do you own a gun?

12 gauge my dad owned and a 410 he bought for me as a kid.

[baddog]

1 hour ago, BLUEDOVE3 said:

12 gauge my dad owned and a 410 he bought for me as a kid.

Two excellent shotguns and should be displayed proudly in a collection. I still have mine and my brother’s shotguns from the teenage years. Biden will come for them. The ARs and high capacity guns are just a foothold. Beto will start another civil war.

[Big girl]

20 hours ago, baddog said:

Two excellent shotguns and should be displayed proudly in a collection. I still have mine and my brother’s shotguns from the teenage years. Biden will come for them. The ARs and high capacity guns are just a foothold. Beto will start another civil war.

You guys said that President Obama was coming for our guns. It didn't happen.

[stevenash]

21 minutes ago, Big girl said:

You guys said that President Obama was coming for our guns. It didn't happen.

Neither did " my new healthcare plan will reduce the annual premium for the average american family by $2500 per year

[Realville]

39 minutes ago, stevenash said:

Neither did " my new healthcare plan will reduce the annual premium for the average american family by $2500 per year

He did increase premiums by at least $1000 per month with that Obama Unaffordable Healthcare Act! 

[baddog]

I no longer converse with communists. I will post this.

 

[baddog]

For all you Biden communists, watch what a real leader has to say.

 

[Realville]

This isn’t conspiracy, this is how the U.S. Constitution reads when it comes to dealing with this ridiculous fraud that happened in our election. Interesting write up. Dedicated to Cardinalbacker.😎

It's for Mike Pence to Judge whether a Presidential Election Was Held at All

 

 

On January 6, a joint session of Congress will open with Vice President Pence presiding as president of the Senate.  His power will be plenary and unappealable.  You heard that right.  As president of the Senate, every objection comes directly to him, and he can rule any objection "out of order" or "denied."  His task will be to fulfill his oath of office to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States and to ensure that the laws be faithfully executed.  This is a high standard of performance, and V.P. Pence will have two choices.  He can roll over on "certified" electors, or he can uphold the law.

 

Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution gives state legislatures "plenary authority" as enunciated in Bush v. Gore.  This is key, since the counting of votes is discussed in Article II, the 12th Amendment, and 3 USC 15.  To this we must add the history of counting and objections recounted by Alexander Macris (

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).  Put bluntly, it's as clear as mud.  Add to that the fact that the contested states of Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, New Mexico, Nevada, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin have sent dueling slates of electors to D.C.  This means that the V.P. has to decide how he will handle the situation when two sealed envelopes are handed to him from any of those states.

Macris 

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 that in 1800, even with constitutional deficiencies in Georgia, Thomas Jefferson blithely counted defective electoral votes from Georgia, effectively voting himself into the presidency.  This demonstrates that the president of the Senate is the final authority on any motions or objections during the vote-counting.  There is no appeal.  That doesn't mean there won't be any outrage.  Whatever Pence does, people will be angry.  But what does the law demand?

Seven contested states clearly violated their own laws.  Rather than list the facts, which have been detailed in multiple articles, we must consider the following:

 

An election is a process of counting votes for candidates. Only valid, lawful votes may be counted.  A valid lawful vote is:

• Cast by an eligible, properly registered elector as prescribed by laws enacted by the state Legislature.
• Cast in a timely manner, as prescribed by laws enacted by the state Legislature.
• Cast in a proper form as prescribed by laws enacted by the state Legislature.

Any process that does not follow these rules is not an election.  Anything that proceeds from it cannot be regarded as having any lawful import. 

Most commentators suggest that a process of collecting pieces of paper with marks on them is an election regardless of errors, omissions, and even deliberate malfeasance.  This is a mistake.  Imagine a golf tournament where every bad shot by one player gets a do-over, but the competing player has to follow USGA rules in detail.  One player gets to drop freely out of hazards, but the other has to tackle every embedded ball as it lies.  The result is a travesty.

The same thing applies to elections.  If there are a handful of improper votes, we can suggest that there was in fact an election, perhaps tainted, but the election wasn't materially harmed.  But when the people charged with managing the election decide to ignore the law, whatever process they supervise is not the process defined by the law.  Therefore, it is not an election.

This leaves V.P. Pence with a dilemma.  He is a gentleman who regards our governmental traditions with a degree of reverence, so he will be reluctant to take any bold action.  But as an honorable man, faced with massive illegality, he must act to protect the law.  Consider how things might go down as the two closed envelopes from Georgia are handed to the V.P.  Rather than opening them, he says:

In my hand are envelopes purporting to contain electoral votes from Georgia.  They are competing for consideration, so it is essential that I consider the law that governs this.  That law, according to the Legislature of Georgia and Article II, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution is the Georgia statute that includes procedures for signature-matching on absentee ballots, a requirement that all absentee ballots be first requested by a legitimate voter, and that election monitors be meaningfully present at all times while votes were counted.

The Georgia secretary of state, who is not empowered by the U.S. Constitution to make changes to election law, entered into a Consent Decree that gutted these protections enacted by the Georgia Legislature.  The processes that he prescribed and were ultimately followed were manifestly contrary to that law.  Further, the State of Georgia, in unprecedented concert with other states, suspended counting of ballots in the middle of the night, covering its conspiracy with a false claim of a "water main break."  We now know from surveillance video that many thousands of "ballots" were counted unlawfully in the absence of legally required observers.

Finally, the State of Georgia, under the authority of secretary of state Brad Raffensperger, a non-legislative actor, used fatally flawed Dominion voting machines that have been demonstrated to be unreliable.  In testing, the error rate of Dominion machines has exceeded 60%, far in excess of legal limits.  They are designed to facilitate fraud without creating the legally required paper trail.  This alone is far more than enough to swing an election.

Since the state of Georgia has failed to follow the election law established by its legislature under Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution, it has not conducted a presidential election.  Therefore, no "presidential electors" were appointed in Georgia.  Further, "electors" "certified" by non-legislative actors pursuant to this process are in fact not "presidential electors."  The competing slate of "electors" is similarly deficient, having not been elected through a presidential election.

Therefore, the chair rules that Georgia has not transmitted the votes of any presidential electors to this body.  Georgia presents zero votes for Donald Trump and zero votes for Joseph Biden.

The central point is that the VP, as the presiding officer and final authority, has the unquestionable 

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.  There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth, but no one has the authority to override his decision.

The statement says nothing about who might or might not have "won" the contested states.  Rather, by not following their own laws, as enacted by their own legislatures, they have violated Article II, Section 1.  Thus, they have not conducted an election, and their results are void.

If the votes of all seven contested states are registered as zero, President Trump will have 232 votes, and Joe Biden will have 222.  The 12th Amendment says, "[T]he votes shall then be counted[.] ...  The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President[.]"

In plain language, Donald Trump will be re-elected, since he has a majority of the actual electoral votes.  There will be no need to involve the House of Representatives to resolve a contingent election.

Richard Nixon chose not to contest the 1960 election because he felt that winning that way would lead to an ungovernable country.  If V.P. Pence does this, that same argument might be made.  But is the country governable even now?  Blue states such as California, Oregon, Washington, New York, New Jersey, and Michigan are already operating in an openly lawless manner with their "emergency" "COVID-related" restrictions.  Their denial of the civil rights of law-abiding citizens is horrific.  Their refusal to do basic policing and law enforcement is a recipe for open war.  How much worse would things be if the V.P. lived up to his oath and upheld the law?

 

[Reagan]

1 hour ago, Realville said:

This isn’t conspiracy, this is how the U.S. Constitution reads when it comes to dealing with this ridiculous fraud that happened in our election. Interesting write up. Dedicated to Cardinalbacker.😎

It's for Mike Pence to Judge whether a Presidential Election Was Held at All

 

 

On January 6, a joint session of Congress will open with Vice President Pence presiding as president of the Senate.  His power will be plenary and unappealable.  You heard that right.  As president of the Senate, every objection comes directly to him, and he can rule any objection "out of order" or "denied."  His task will be to fulfill his oath of office to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States and to ensure that the laws be faithfully executed.  This is a high standard of performance, and V.P. Pence will have two choices.  He can roll over on "certified" electors, or he can uphold the law.

 

Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution gives state legislatures "plenary authority" as enunciated in Bush v. Gore.  This is key, since the counting of votes is discussed in Article II, the 12th Amendment, and 3 USC 15.  To this we must add the history of counting and objections recounted by Alexander Macris (

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).  Put bluntly, it's as clear as mud.  Add to that the fact that the contested states of Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, New Mexico, Nevada, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin have sent dueling slates of electors to D.C.  This means that the V.P. has to decide how he will handle the situation when two sealed envelopes are handed to him from any of those states.

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 that in 1800, even with constitutional deficiencies in Georgia, Thomas Jefferson blithely counted defective electoral votes from Georgia, effectively voting himself into the presidency.  This demonstrates that the president of the Senate is the final authority on any motions or objections during the vote-counting.  There is no appeal.  That doesn't mean there won't be any outrage.  Whatever Pence does, people will be angry.  But what does the law demand?

Seven contested states clearly violated their own laws.  Rather than list the facts, which have been detailed in multiple articles, we must consider the following:

 

An election is a process of counting votes for candidates. Only valid, lawful votes may be counted.  A valid lawful vote is:

• Cast by an eligible, properly registered elector as prescribed by laws enacted by the state Legislature.
• Cast in a timely manner, as prescribed by laws enacted by the state Legislature.
• Cast in a proper form as prescribed by laws enacted by the state Legislature.

Any process that does not follow these rules is not an election.  Anything that proceeds from it cannot be regarded as having any lawful import. 

Most commentators suggest that a process of collecting pieces of paper with marks on them is an election regardless of errors, omissions, and even deliberate malfeasance.  This is a mistake.  Imagine a golf tournament where every bad shot by one player gets a do-over, but the competing player has to follow USGA rules in detail.  One player gets to drop freely out of hazards, but the other has to tackle every embedded ball as it lies.  The result is a travesty.

The same thing applies to elections.  If there are a handful of improper votes, we can suggest that there was in fact an election, perhaps tainted, but the election wasn't materially harmed.  But when the people charged with managing the election decide to ignore the law, whatever process they supervise is not the process defined by the law.  Therefore, it is not an election.

This leaves V.P. Pence with a dilemma.  He is a gentleman who regards our governmental traditions with a degree of reverence, so he will be reluctant to take any bold action.  But as an honorable man, faced with massive illegality, he must act to protect the law.  Consider how things might go down as the two closed envelopes from Georgia are handed to the V.P.  Rather than opening them, he says:

In my hand are envelopes purporting to contain electoral votes from Georgia.  They are competing for consideration, so it is essential that I consider the law that governs this.  That law, according to the Legislature of Georgia and Article II, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution is the Georgia statute that includes procedures for signature-matching on absentee ballots, a requirement that all absentee ballots be first requested by a legitimate voter, and that election monitors be meaningfully present at all times while votes were counted.

The Georgia secretary of state, who is not empowered by the U.S. Constitution to make changes to election law, entered into a Consent Decree that gutted these protections enacted by the Georgia Legislature.  The processes that he prescribed and were ultimately followed were manifestly contrary to that law.  Further, the State of Georgia, in unprecedented concert with other states, suspended counting of ballots in the middle of the night, covering its conspiracy with a false claim of a "water main break."  We now know from surveillance video that many thousands of "ballots" were counted unlawfully in the absence of legally required observers.

Finally, the State of Georgia, under the authority of secretary of state Brad Raffensperger, a non-legislative actor, used fatally flawed Dominion voting machines that have been demonstrated to be unreliable.  In testing, the error rate of Dominion machines has exceeded 60%, far in excess of legal limits.  They are designed to facilitate fraud without creating the legally required paper trail.  This alone is far more than enough to swing an election.

Since the state of Georgia has failed to follow the election law established by its legislature under Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution, it has not conducted a presidential election.  Therefore, no "presidential electors" were appointed in Georgia.  Further, "electors" "certified" by non-legislative actors pursuant to this process are in fact not "presidential electors."  The competing slate of "electors" is similarly deficient, having not been elected through a presidential election.

Therefore, the chair rules that Georgia has not transmitted the votes of any presidential electors to this body.  Georgia presents zero votes for Donald Trump and zero votes for Joseph Biden.

The central point is that the VP, as the presiding officer and final authority, has the unquestionable 

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.  There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth, but no one has the authority to override his decision.

The statement says nothing about who might or might not have "won" the contested states.  Rather, by not following their own laws, as enacted by their own legislatures, they have violated Article II, Section 1.  Thus, they have not conducted an election, and their results are void.

If the votes of all seven contested states are registered as zero, President Trump will have 232 votes, and Joe Biden will have 222.  The 12th Amendment says, "[T]he votes shall then be counted[.] ...  The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President[.]"

In plain language, Donald Trump will be re-elected, since he has a majority of the actual electoral votes.  There will be no need to involve the House of Representatives to resolve a contingent election.

Richard Nixon chose not to contest the 1960 election because he felt that winning that way would lead to an ungovernable country.  If V.P. Pence does this, that same argument might be made.  But is the country governable even now?  Blue states such as California, Oregon, Washington, New York, New Jersey, and Michigan are already operating in an openly lawless manner with their "emergency" "COVID-related" restrictions.  Their denial of the civil rights of law-abiding citizens is horrific.  Their refusal to do basic policing and law enforcement is a recipe for open war.  How much worse would things be if the V.P. lived up to his oath and upheld the law?

 

I'm wondering if our liberal friends are starting to get it now?  That darn Constitution!   And I would take it a step further:  When Trump wins, I would later file charges against those electors that certified the results in the 4 swings states knowing that fraud was committed.  This just might stop future electors from doing the same!

[5GallonBucket]

On 12/15/2020 at 5:50 PM, BLUEDOVE3 said:

Women aren't going to stop getting abortions just because ... Even nuns have been known to get abortions. Now, I'll let you dwell on that for a second.

Yep so let’s just allow.....what a great way to look at things.

we should do that with everything.....and let’s see how society turns out

[BLUEDOVE3]

On 12/27/2020 at 9:11 AM, Reagan said:

I'm wondering if our liberal friends are starting to get it now?  That darn Constitution!   And I would take it a step further:  When Trump wins, I would later file charges against those electors that certified the results in the 4 swings states knowing that fraud was committed.  This just might stop future electors from doing the same!

I'm just as crazy as yall, just because I keep replying to yall's fake news. The courts HAVE NOT found proof that an illegal election happened. Sheez!!  Yall suppose to be about law & order. But thats not true.

[Realville]

9 hours ago, BLUEDOVE3 said:

I'm just as crazy as yall, just because I keep replying to yall's fake news. The courts HAVE NOT found proof that an illegal election happened. Sheez!!  Yall suppose to be about law & order. But thats not true.

 

[BS Wildcats]

9 hours ago, BLUEDOVE3 said:

I'm just as crazy as yall, just because I keep replying to yall's fake news. The courts HAVE NOT found proof that an illegal election happened. Sheez!!  Yall suppose to be about law & order. But thats not true.

The Dims have no clue about law and order, if you haven’t taken notice!

[Realville]

9 hours ago, BLUEDOVE3 said:

I'm just as crazy as yall, just because I keep replying to yall's fake news. The courts HAVE NOT found proof that an illegal election happened. Sheez!!  Yall suppose to be about law & order. But thats not true.

Judges and Attorneys families have been threatened and intimidated if they hear any of these cases. The evidence is not even being allowed to be presented to the courts except what’s been presented in front of the State Legislatures. If you’ve listened to any of the State Legislatures Hearings you wouldn’t be on here acting like a ignorant fool.

 

[Reagan]

23 hours ago, BLUEDOVE3 said:

I'm just as crazy as yall, just because I keep replying to yall's fake news. The courts HAVE NOT found proof that an illegal election happened. Sheez!!  Yall suppose to be about law & order. But thats not true.

Blue, answer me this:  Why won't the Georgia Secretary Of State allow Trump's people to examine the ballots and the voting machines?  I'm sure you've heard the saying: "If you have nothing to hide -- then you hide nothing!"  Help us understand!