Should the horse-collar tackle be outlawed for hs football?

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Should the horse-collar tackle be outlawed for hs football?

H.S. Football: Coaches mull horse-collar tackle

Web Posted: 10/08/2007 10:19 PM CDT

Chad Peters

Express-News

Once it became clear two years ago the increasingly popular "horse-collar" tackle posed an injury risk to its players, the NFL wasted little time in banning the controversial technique.

It now draws a 15-yard penalty and, potentially, a fine.

But the horse collar remains part of the high school game these days, most notably last weekend when Madison running back Devin Thomas' season came to an end after he suffered a broken ankle on such a tackle against Reagan.

So is it time for high school football to follow the NFL's lead and outlaw the horse collar?

Some area coaches say they think so. Others, such as Smithson Valley coach Larry Hill, say they aren't so sure.

"As sad as this injury is, it is unfortunately part of the game," Hill said. "My personal feeling is that horse collaring is rare and I'm not sure if it's ever intended. Cut tackles and blocks bring about far more injuries.

"I don't know if I have an opinion on whether any of this ought to be subjected to penalties."

Reagan coach David Wetzel agreed, saying, "I honestly can't say that I've seen it any more (recently). It's not something that, to me, has been brought to the forefront until (the Thomas injury) happened. It's something that had never crossed my mind."

The horse collar was made popular by Dallas Cowboys safety Roy Williams, who in 2004 severely injured the legs of three players while using it, including then-Philadelphia wide receiver Terrell Owens.

The controversial technique involves grasping inside the back of the shoulder pads to yank the opposing player to the ground. Though not used to intentionally cause injury, it has proven dangerous because it often traps the player's legs underneath him as he is jerked to the field.

"In the old days we tackled any way we could," O'Connor coach Danny Padron said. "It's the same thing. We're aware of that now. It might be looked at in the future, but you're still going to get guys doing it. Roy Williams still tackles that way."

Since high school football operates under the rules of the NCAA, the college game must first ban the horse collar for it to become illegal on high school fields.

Lewis Stroud, a high school football referee for 35 years, said he hasn't seen many horse-collar tackles in games he's officiated this season. Still, he said he thinks the NCAA might consider banning the technique when it convenes next offseason to discuss potential rule changes.

"They take everything into consideration in regards to safety," Stroud said. "In fact, the majority of the football rules are for safety. ... If there is some kind of problem, they will pick up on that and make rules to take care of that."

Lanier offensive coordinator Lyn Boehme said he thinks those safety concerns eventually will lead to the horse collar being penalized. Though he said he doesn't know anyone who coaches the technique, he estimated seeing the horse collar two to three times per game.

"Until Roy Williams came up with the approach, it was not a big deal," he said. "It's become more popular now.

"When it happens, it is often catastrophic."

[CATMAN]

YES------------YES===============YES------------ :( :(

[KFDM COOP]

I agree!

[patitan]

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO

[Guest 87CRU79]

In my honest opinion, a player should be able to tackle  the ball carrier by any means necessary, with exception of the use of tackling by the facemask. Ever since I was little I was taught to tackle someone leading with the crown of my helmet. They have taken away helmet to helmet, if they take away the "horse-collar", then we're one step closer to just dancing with a ball carrier. Once instinct is removed, the emotion goes with it.

Just my 2 cents!

[tvc184]

In my honest opinion, a player should be able to tackle  the ball carrier by any means necessary, with exception of the use of tackling by the facemask. Ever since I was little I was taught to tackle someone leading with the crown of my helmet. They have taken away helmet to helmet, if they take away the "horse-collar", then we're one step closer to just dancing with a ball carrier. Once instinct is removed, the emotion goes with it.

Just my 2 cents!

Tackling by instinct?

It can be just as dangerous as a face mask but you are more than willing to ban that. Why one and not the other?

The NFL has banned it as being dangerous but you think high school kids can pull it off without injury. Interesting.

[drawingablank]

Just my opinion. dumbest rule ever!!!!!!!!!

[patitan]

we all know with facemasking,you could end  never to walk again. so far horsecollar results in broken legs which heal or can be fixed. football is getting soft.

[TITAN POWER]

I agee.  What's next?  The two-below only rule.  Come on.

[Guest bleed orange]

This rule is stupid. The officials watch Roy Williams closer than anyone. I see other guys doing the same thing and they don't call it. Also if you just bump a quaterback its a 15 yard penality.  >

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

i say outlaw it

[bullets13]

i think it should be banned.  if you're close enough to horse collar you're close enough find another way to make the tackle.  i saw a kid's arm end up broken in 3 places when he was horsecollared back when i was playing.  it's just too dangerous.

[Guest ECBucFan]

Horsecollaring is indefensible. By that I mean there is nothing realistically the back can do to against it. Same principle as when a punter follows through, leg extended high. The punter cannot defend himself, thats why you can't take out the punter. HC'ing should be illeagle.

[Guest WBFan09]

what is next football will be played two-below style...just joking i dont really have a side if it becomes an injury problem than yes but otherwise let em play

[daytonbronco555]

In my honest opinion, a player should be able to tackle  the ball carrier by any means necessary, with exception of the use of tackling by the facemask. Ever since I was little I was taught to tackle someone leading with the crown of my helmet. They have taken away helmet to helmet, if they take away the "horse-collar", then we're one step closer to just dancing with a ball carrier. Once instinct is removed, the emotion goes with it.

Just my 2 cents!

i agree and its hard enough to takle without helmet to helmet...well not really

[Tiger90]

When hs players are costing their teams millions if they miss a game to injury then you will see a rule change.  :PRoy and others have always tackled that way but it wasn't until the high dollar/high profile players got hurt did it matter to the NFL.