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1 hour ago, CardinalBacker said:

So well put... can you point me to a place in the election code where it says that the vp can pick and choose whichever electors he wishes to count? 
 

Because it doesn’t exist. 

As usual you are not comprehending my post. He had the discretion to kick it back to the states because of the states selecting a set of Republican and Democrat Electors. It is not common for states to send 2 different sets of electors to congress. Tell me where it says in the constitution he can’t kick it back to the state Legislatures. That’s what you’d call a red flag meaning something isn’t right an as the VP you would not want to certify something that seems on the surface to not be right. He could have kicked it back to the states so they could do their due diligence an send one set of electors back to the VP to certify. Again there you go calling a turd a Baby Ruth.

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Wrong... 

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shall have been received by the President of the Senate, those votes, and those only, shall be counted which shall have been regularly given by the electors who are shown by the determination mentioned in 

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 to have been appointed, if the determination in said section provided for shall have been made, or by such successors or substitutes, in case of a vacancy in the board of electors so ascertained, as have been appointed to fill such vacancy in the mode provided by the laws of the

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 but in case there shall arise the question which of two or more of such

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authorities determining what electors have been appointed, as mentioned in 

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, is the lawful tribunal of such

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 the votes regularly given of those electors, and those only, of such

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shall be counted whose title as electors the two Houses, acting separately, shall concurrently decide is supported by the decision of such

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so authorized by its law; and in such case of more than one return or paper purporting to be a return from a

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 if there shall have been no such determination of the question in the

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aforesaid, then those votes, and those only, shall be counted which the two Houses shall concurrently decide were cast by lawful electors appointed in accordance with the laws of the

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 unless the two Houses, acting separately, shall concurrently decide such votes not to be the lawful votes of the legally appointed electors of such

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In short, it gets stopped cold at the first part, because the real electors WERE regularly appointed according to section 5.  

But IF Pence felt compelled to say both sets of electors were regularly appointed (which they weren't) then it would go to both chambers , and there would have to be a disagreement between the chambers as to which set were to be recognized... and honestly, they were gonna side with the regularly appointed set, not the kangaroo set that were chosen on the sidewalk by Repub hack jobs in total defiance of the popular vote of their own state. 

Your argument is literally that if Democrat members of the Texas House send a flight of electors to represent Texas INSTEAD of the ones chosen by the Texas voters, then by all means, use those instead. 

Pence is more of a man than you can even comprehend, unlike your Lord and Savior DJT.  Your got got his wig parted, and you need to get over it. 

 

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1 hour ago, Realville said:

As usual you are not comprehending my post. He had the discretion to kick it back to the states because of the states selecting a set of Republican and Democrat Electors. It is not common for states to send 2 different sets of electors to congress. Tell me where it says in the constitution he can’t kick it back to the state Legislatures. That’s what you’d call a red flag meaning something isn’t right an as the VP you would not want to certify something that seems on the surface to not be right. He could have kicked it back to the states so they could do their due diligence an send one set of electors back to the VP to certify. Again there you go calling a turd a Baby Ruth.

But that's your problem.  There was never any proof offered up anywhere to support the allegations of "widespread fraud."  Nowhere.  Not a single place.

Here's Donald's plan.  "We'll allege fraud by way of affidavits, then point at the affidavits themselves as evidence of fraud."  That's not how it works.  And no court was EVER going to agree with Trump's plan to "throw out all mail-in ballots."  Ever.  Anywhere.  

THERE WAS NO PROOF.   With no proof, no objections would ever be sustained at any level.  State Court, Federal Court, at the Legislative Branch, Supreme Court.... NOWHERE.  It doesn't matter what Rudy and Sidney Powell kept promising (but never delivered).  

"I heard Justice Roberts yelling that he didn't want riots!!!!"  Did you tape it?  Heck no.  NO PROOF.  What's so hard to understand about that?

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10 minutes ago, CardinalBacker said:

Wrong... 

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shall have been received by the President of the Senate, those votes, and those only, shall be counted which shall have been regularly given by the electors who are shown by the determination mentioned in 

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 to have been appointed, if the determination in said section provided for shall have been made, or by such successors or substitutes, in case of a vacancy in the board of electors so ascertained, as have been appointed to fill such vacancy in the mode provided by the laws of the

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 but in case there shall arise the question which of two or more of such

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 the votes regularly given of those electors, and those only, of such

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shall be counted whose title as electors the two Houses, acting separately, shall concurrently decide is supported by the decision of such

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so authorized by its law; and in such case of more than one return or paper purporting to be a return from a

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aforesaid, then those votes, and those only, shall be counted which the two Houses shall concurrently decide were cast by lawful electors appointed in accordance with the laws of the

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In short, it gets stopped cold at the first part, because the real electors WERE regularly appointed according to section 5.  

But IF Pence felt compelled to say both sets of electors were regularly appointed (which they weren't) then it would go to both chambers , and there would have to be a disagreement between the chambers as to which set were to be recognized... and honestly, they were gonna side with the regularly appointed set, not the kangaroo set that were chosen on the sidewalk by Repub hack jobs in total defiance of the popular vote of their own state. 

Your argument is literally that if Democrat members of the Texas House send a flight of electors to represent Texas INSTEAD of the ones chosen by the Texas voters, then by all means, use those instead. 

Pence is more of a man than you can even comprehend, unlike your Lord and Savior DJT.  Your got got his wig parted, and you need to get over it. 

 

DJT is not my Lord Unicorn Boy.  Truth is my Lord an it will come out. I am over it. The   fraudulent election has already produced a shit show for Americans so why don’t you own it along with all your other little Unicorns. Some Constitutional Scholars will disagree with your Google Constitutional Degree.

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10 minutes ago, Realville said:

DJT is not my Lord Unicorn Boy.  Truth is my Lord an it will come out. I am over it. The   fraudulent election has already produced a shit show for Americans so why don’t you own it along with all your other little Unicorns. 

I offer you the 12th Amendment to the Constitution in its entirety.

The Electors shall meet in their respective states and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate;-The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted;-The person having the greatest Number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. And if the House of Representatives shall not choose a President whenever the right of choice shall devolve upon them, before the fourth day of March next following, then the Vice-President shall act as President, as in the case of the death or other constitutional disability of the President-The person having the greatest number of votes as Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed, and if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President; a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two-thirds of the whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be necessary to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.

 

No provision for a return to the legislature.

Here's the Electoral Count Act of 1887 that clarified further the counting of Electoral Votes.

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At no point does it say anything along the lines of what you're suggesting.  It was pure garbage from the word "go," and a lot of Trump's most loyal followers "Hang Mike Pence" just lapped it all up like the idiots that they are.

You claim " Tell me where it says in the constitution he can’t kick it back to the state Legislatures."  It doesn't say he can, Genius.

 

You say "It is not common for states to send 2 different sets of electors to congress." Exactly!!!! Because one set is legitimate and the other is not!  And your argument is that "well, since there is something wrong here, by all means.... send it back for a do-over" as if fraudulently sending a second set of electors to be counted is reason enough to toss out the result of an election.

The only proven attempted fraud in 2020 was when Trump tried to get Georgia to overturn the election returns on 1/2.

 

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5 minutes ago, CardinalBacker said:

I offer you the 12th Amendment to the Constitution in its entirety.

The Electors shall meet in their respective states and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate;-The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted;-The person having the greatest Number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. And if the House of Representatives shall not choose a President whenever the right of choice shall devolve upon them, before the fourth day of March next following, then the Vice-President shall act as President, as in the case of the death or other constitutional disability of the President-The person having the greatest number of votes as Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed, and if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President; a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two-thirds of the whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be necessary to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.

 

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At no point does it say anything along the lines of what you're suggesting.  It was pure garbage from the word "go," and a lot of Trump's most loyal followers "Hang Mike Pence" just lapped it all up like the idiots that they are.

The World of Unicorn Boy. 🤣😂

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20 hours ago, baddog said:

lost in one day with one swipe of the pen. That should be good for the economy Biden wants so badly to “FIX”. It should also drive up gas prices.

Now I hear that the $15 minimum wage could cost 3.7 million more jobs. Hey, get them on the government teat one way or the other. He must have learned all of this from the shovel ready jobs man. Makes no sense to put more burden on businesses that are already struggling to survive.....already needing a bailout. Some businesses will never return. This should kill a bunch more. 
 

Great work already from dementia Joe. This is what I call unifying.

 

Your numbers are highly inflated.

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4 hours ago, Realville said:

Pence wasn’t asked to overturn the election your talking out of your butt lips again. Multiple swing states selected 2 sets of electors ( 1 set for Democrat and 1 set for Republican) because those swing state Legislatures heard the evidence an had serious doubts about the election results. They were practically begging Pence to kick it back to them. You know the evidence that wasn’t allowed in court because it would open up discovery which would really reveal how deep the fraud was. The swing states in doubt wanted Pence to kick it back to them so they could do a serious forensic audit not the recounting of fraudulent ballots. A 10 day pause to make sure they got it right was not asking too much. But thieves in charge wouldn’t allow it but the truth will eventually come out. I read where Trump told Pence he could be either a Patriot or a P_ssy it was up to him. Well Pence responded by saying MEOW MEOW. Basically Trump asked him to do the right thing by kicking it back to the State Legislatures an let them do their due diligence to get it right.

That's a bunch of b.s. Stop listening to Newsmax

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14 minutes ago, Big girl said:

Your numbers are highly inflated.

What numbers are inflated?

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15 minutes ago, Big girl said:

Your numbers are highly inflated.

Admit that obama, and now Biden have no clue on the economy and jobs.  That  has been proven.

[baddog]

39 minutes ago, Big girl said:

Your numbers are highly inflated.

Stop listening to the voices inside your head. Those numbers are conservative. I have seen over 4 million projected. 
 

What numbers do the voices tell you now. 

[5GallonBucket]

30 minutes ago, BS Wildcats said:

Admit that obama, and now Biden have no clue on the economy and jobs.  That  has been proven.

40 something years and still hasn’t figured it out

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51 minutes ago, Big girl said:

Your numbers are highly inflated.

So is your head. Here you go princess. 
 

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Obama told us he was going to fundamentally change this country.  If you dislike this country you should be happpy because he is getting it done.  It took a John Wayne type personallity to try to stop the crazyness but you just can't fight the media.  The old saying that you never  fight someone that buys ink by the barrel is even more true today.  It's just changed from ink to electronic media.  

You still have to follow the money and it looks like China has bought the country.  

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1 hour ago, house said:

Obama told us he was going to fundamentally change this country.  If you dislike this country you should be happpy because he is getting it done.  It took a John Wayne type personallity to try to stop the crazyness but you just can't fight the media.  The old saying that you never  fight someone that buys ink by the barrel is even more true today.  It's just changed from ink to electronic media.  

You still have to follow the money and it looks like China has bought the country.  

And now they have their favorite middleman back in the White House.