Gamestop

[NetCat]

@stevenash, you are a financial guy right? I need help and am taking all opinions on this so everyone else jump in too. 

My grandson has put a ton of money into Gamestop stock (GME) this week. He got in late to the climb around 280 a share.

It's some kind of way for him and people on some website to get back at Wallstreet? I don't know how though. 

All I know is it looks like a dangerous bubble and I'm worried he's going to lose it all. It's at 320ish now and I told him to sell it pre-market and get out before it crashes. But he won't. And admittedly I'm not sure what's going on with all this. 

What do I need to tell him to get him out? 

[stevenash]

I would suggest to him that good investing is based on fundamentals.  This price movement has nothing to do with fundamentals.  I had a client who, some time ago, wanted to buy Tilray, a marijuana stock at about $150 per share.  I persuaded him not to.   2 weeks later it was $250 and he made me aware of his unhappiness with my advice.   Today, the stock trades at about $18 after having been to about $6.  If he wont sell , maybe you can compromise.  Tell him to sell enough to get his original investment out and he can keep the rest.  That way, he is playing on "house money"

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[baddog]

5 hours ago, stevenash said:

I would suggest to him that good investing is based on fundamentals.  This price movement has nothing to do with fundamentals.  I had a client who, some time ago, wanted to buy Tilray, a marijuana stock at about $150 per share.  I persuaded him not to.   2 weeks later it was $250 and he made me aware of his unhappiness with my advice.   Today, the stock trades at about $18 after having been to about $6.  If he wont sell , maybe you can compromise.  Tell him to sell enough to get his original investment out and he can keep the rest.  That way, he is playing on "house money"

My 401K took a hit Wednesday, rebounded somewhat Thursday, and took another hit Friday, although not as bad as Wednesday. Should I worry?

[Reagan]

From the article:  "GameStop phenomenon is reflection of politics, ‘everything is rigged in favor of the elites’.  Radio host Rush Limbaugh compared the surging GameStop shares and the latest frenzy on Wall Street to the political battles between the establishment and everyday Americans."

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[NetCat]

10 hours ago, stevenash said:

I would suggest to him that good investing is based on fundamentals.  This price movement has nothing to do with fundamentals.  I had a client who, some time ago, wanted to buy Tilray, a marijuana stock at about $150 per share.  I persuaded him not to.   2 weeks later it was $250 and he made me aware of his unhappiness with my advice.   Today, the stock trades at about $18 after having been to about $6.  If he wont sell , maybe you can compromise.  Tell him to sell enough to get his original investment out and he can keep the rest.  That way, he is playing on "house money"

I'll try telling him that, hopefully he will listen. This reminds me of the tech bubble in the early 2000's. 

He said yesterday that they're all holding till "the squeeze happens next week." Do you think anything like that could happen, or are they delusional? 

[stevenash]

1 hour ago, NetCat said:

I'll try telling him that, hopefully he will listen. This reminds me of the tech bubble in the early 2000's. 

He said yesterday that they're all holding till "the squeeze happens next week." Do you think anything like that could happen, or are they delusional? 

I think the squeeze they are referring to is related to short selling.  If you understand what short selling is, you essentially borrow a share of stock and sell today and then, after the stock declines, you pay for the borrowed share at a lower price than what you sold it for.  If I "sell a stock short" for, say, $10 per share, there is no end to how much I can lose if stock continues to climb.  If it hits $20, some people will sell, take their loss and be done with it.  When it hits 30, some will act at that time.    This can go on forever as long as the stock keeps rising.  Sounds as if they believe most short sellers will feel the "squeeze" some time next week and be forced to take their lumps and get out before it gets worse.  When you buy a stock for $10, the most you can lose is $10.  When you short a stock for $10, the amount you can lose is considerably more.  EG.  Person A sells a stock he doesnt own today for $10 per share ( remember, it is borrowed and he hasnt paid for it yet.    A few days later, Person A pays for the stock he "borrowed" at $7 and makes $3 per share.  Typically, a transaction involves buying a stock and, at some point in the future, selling it.   In the short scenario, you are essentially selling first and buying later with the hope you will buy at lower price than that for which you sold.

[NetCat]

1 hour ago, stevenash said:

I think the squeeze they are referring to is related to short selling.  If you understand what short selling is, you essentially borrow a share of stock and sell today and then, after the stock declines, you pay for the borrowed share at a lower price than what you sold it for.  If I "sell a stock short" for, say, $10 per share, there is no end to how much I can lose if stock continues to climb.  If it hits $20, some people will sell, take their loss and be done with it.  When it hits 30, some will act at that time.    This can go on forever as long as the stock keeps rising.  Sounds as if they believe most short sellers will feel the "squeeze" some time next week and be forced to take their lumps and get out before it gets worse.  When you buy a stock for $10, the most you can lose is $10.  When you short a stock for $10, the amount you can lose is considerably more.  EG.  Person A sells a stock he doesnt own today for $10 per share ( remember, it is borrowed and he hasnt paid for it yet.    A few days later, Person A pays for the stock he "borrowed" at $7 and makes $3 per share.  Typically, a transaction involves buying a stock and, at some point in the future, selling it.   In the short scenario, you are essentially selling first and buying later with the hope you will buy at lower price than that for which you sold.

You think he's OK to hold a little while then? 

[stevenash]

5 minutes ago, NetCat said:

You think he's OK to hold a little while then? 

No way for me to answer that.  If "everyone" is "waiting" for the "right time" next week, what's to stop a few of them thinking " I'd rather be safe than sorry" and decided to sell a little early?   A few early sales can put downward pressure on stock price and momentum can quickly build in the other direction.  I learned about 35 years ago that it is virtually impossible to time the market.   However, I do know that there is nothing wrong with taking a profit.   Again, another alternative would be to sell part now and part later which is sort of a hedge for it moving up or down more quickly than one expects.

[InMAGAWeTrust]

This really depends on how much he invested total, relative to rest of his account or income. If only a few hundred or thousand, and he understands that he can be left “holding the bag” then let him make that call. Now if he put his entire savings into the stock, he might need an intervention.

i made a nice profit off a similar trade last week as well. I exited half the position on the first big jump, another 25% later that day and the rest as it kept going up. I am completely out now, as I believe there’s more downside than upside at this point.

I’m not in the GME trade but I’d personally love to see the short sellers get destroyed. 

 

Can PM me if you want 

[InMAGAWeTrust]

10 hours ago, baddog said:

My 401K took a hit Wednesday, rebounded somewhat Thursday, and took another hit Friday, although not as bad as Wednesday. Should I worry?

Do you have regular monthly contributions to your 401k and not retiring anytime soon? I’d just leave it alone and don’t even worry about it.

 

When the market dropped off a cliff last March, rather than sell my investments, I put more money in the market. It’s paid off since then. Had the market kept tanking I would’ve been screwed, but that’s the risk I felt comfortable taking knowing that historically.. markets keep going up over time whether it’s republicans or Democrats in power 

[baddog]

1 minute ago, InMAGAWeTrust said:

Do you have regular monthly contributions to your 401k and not retiring anytime soon? I’d just leave it alone and don’t even worry about it.

 

When the market dropped off a cliff last March, rather than sell my investments, I put more money in the market. It’s paid off since then. Had the market kept tanking I would’ve been screwed, but that’s the risk I felt comfortable taking knowing that historically.. markets keep going up over time whether it’s republicans or Democrats in power 

October was the worst month for me. I have recouped my losses up until this week. I am staying, just not real familiar with hedge funds so I asked.

[SmashMouth]

16 hours ago, InMAGAWeTrust said:

I exited half the position on the first big jump, another 25% later that day and the rest as it kept going up. I am completely out now, as I believe there’s more downside than upside at this point.

Excellent advice imo. 

[Hagar]

My market experience - buy high & sell low.

On a serious note, when folks start using this much money to play games in the Market, it’s unsettling.   People trading on their phone Apps, many not knowing squat about what they’re investing in.   That kind of stuff reminds me of how the 1929 Market got out of hand.  I know they have safeties in place intended to prevent it, but if it can be FUBAR’ed, people will find a way.

[stevenash]

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[CardinalBacker]

8 hours ago, Hagar said:

My market experience - buy high & sell low.

 

You’re only partially right.... “Buy high, sell low, and make it up in volume.”

That’s the key.... volume. 

[CardinalBacker]

I’ve got tons of good advice. 
 

“Always lift with your back.  With a twisting motion when possible.”

[CardinalBacker]

“Red and yellow, friendly fellow”

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[NetCat]

Well he's going to stick with it. Wouldn't listen to me. Hope he doesn't lose it all. 

[Hagar]

1 minute ago, NetCat said:

Well he's going to stick with it. Wouldn't listen to me. Hope he doesn't lose it all. 

I do too NetCat.   👍👍

[NetCat]

Just now, Hagar said:

I do too NetCat.   👍👍

The only good thing is he's not throwing everything he's got into it. He's still got a savings, but he put everything he's poured into the market for 10 years into this. He'll be OK, but he won't be able to retire for a while. 

[WOSdrummer99]

I was told to watch silver today. Apparently they are trying to do the same thing as this game stop thing with gold and silver.

[LumRaiderFan]

19 hours ago, CardinalBacker said:

I’ve got tons of good advice. 
 

“Always lift with your back.  With a twisting motion when possible.”

Sadly, I've used that advice several times over the years...lol.