Reparations 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[Unwoke]

42 minutes ago, UT alum said:

I’ll get around to it.

Go do your Google research Mr. SmartA$$. 
 

For the record the firm my wife works at has a couple of actual African Americans that work there, an were born in Africa then went through the legal process to come to America, an they tell her all the time how African Americans in America with a mindset like yours are just so embarrassing to their race. Lol

 

[BS Wildcats]

3 minutes ago, LumRaiderFan said:

I would qualify for that if available, but no, thanks.

Like you, no thanks

[BS Wildcats]

8 minutes ago, UT alum said:

Yes.

You have got to be a Bernie Sanders socialist, or Austin warped you beyond repair.  Maybe both!

[baddog]

30 minutes ago, UT alum said:

Talk about self righteous!

Mission accomplished. 

[tvc184]

On 12/18/2022 at 4:29 PM, UT alum said:

All I hear are White Christian Nationalist dog whistles.  These folk are incapable of even imagining what 350 years of repression can do to a culture. This kind of stuff happens even today. 

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  Systemic racism is very real. 

Assuming that was correct, who is responsible? 

It has been mentioned that people of Japanese descent were housed in internment camps during World War II. That was the United States government and state governments setting rules for intermittent within their states. The federal government paid reparations to the survivors. It was not paid to their heirs. It was a one time payment for the government (not private citizens or companies) interning people without justification (done under a Democrat presidency).

I can find no information showing that the US government ever owned slaves.  It appears to be a completely private enterprise, unlike Japanese internment. The payments to people of Japanese descent were for those actually interned and not future Japanese Americans or any other Asians.

Who was responsible for the 350 years? The US?

 The US under our current  Constitution came to be in 1789. So under the Constitution, slavery existed in the US for 76 years… not 350. Even then, it was a private institution. 

Who was responsible for the Atlantic slave trade? The entire endeavor started from the Portuguese. Other countries later joined in but none were the US as the US would not exist or even be contemplated for hundreds of years.

How were slaves captured? They were captured by Black Africans.  That’s right… Black African slaves were captured by other Black Africans and sold as cattle and some were kept as slaves in Africa.

No matter how we try to dissect it, if Black Africans did not capture, enslave and then sell other Black Africans as a commodity, there would have been no slave trade.

So Blacks were captured and sold Blacks hundreds of years before the US was ever thought of and whose government didn’t own any slaves, whose country fought a war because of slavery with thousands of Whites  being killed or dying (approximately 400,000 plus 400,000 wounded) yet the US government is responsible for what?

Toss in the tidbit that many slave owners in this country were Black, including women. So of the likely thousands of Black Americans whose ancestors actually owned slaves, do they get reparations based on melanin content when in fact they furthered the institution?

Reparations European and west African  countries that caused the slave trade? 

[Unwoke]

13 minutes ago, tvc184 said:

Assuming that was correct, who is responsible? 

It has been mentioned that people of Japanese descent were housed in internment camps during World War II. That was the United States government and state governments setting rules for intermittent within their states. The federal government paid reparations to the survivors. It was not paid to their heirs. It was a one time payment for the government (not private citizens or companies) interning people without justification (done under a Democrat presidency).

I can find no information showing that the US government ever owned slaves.  It appears to be a completely private enterprise, unlike Japanese internment. The payments to people of Japanese descent were for those actually interned and not future Japanese Americans or any other Asians.

Who was responsible for the 350 years? The US?

 The US under our current  Constitution came to be in 1789. So under the Constitution, slavery existed in the US for 76 years… not 350. Even then, it was a private institution. 

Who was responsible for the Atlantic slave trade? The entire endeavor started from the Portuguese. Other countries later joined in but none were the US as the US would not exist or even be contemplated for hundreds of years.

How were slaves captured? They were captured by Black Africans.  That’s right… Black African slaves were captured by other Black Africans and sold as cattle and some were kept as slaves in Africa.

No matter how we try to dissect it, if Black Africans did not capture, enslave and then sell other Black Africans as a commodity, there would have been no slave trade.

So Blacks were captured and sold Blacks hundreds of years before the US was ever thought of and whose government didn’t own any slaves, whose country fought a war because of slavery with thousands of Whites  being killed or dying (approximately 400,000 plus 400,000 wounded) yet the US government is responsible for what?

Toss in the tidbit that many slave owners in this country were Black, including women. So of the likely thousands of Black Americans whose ancestors actually owned slaves, do they get reparations based on melanin content when in fact they furthered the institution?

Reparations European and west African  countries that caused the slave trade? 

We’ll said, Thank you Sir

[BS Wildcats]

18 minutes ago, tvc184 said:

Assuming that was correct, who is responsible? 

It has been mentioned that people of Japanese descent were housed in internment camps during World War II. That was the United States government and state governments setting rules for intermittent within their states. The federal government paid reparations to the survivors. It was not paid to their heirs. It was a one time payment for the government (not private citizens or companies) interning people without justification (done under a Democrat presidency).

I can find no information showing that the US government ever owned slaves.  It appears to be a completely private enterprise, unlike Japanese internment. The payments to people of Japanese descent were for those actually interned and not future Japanese Americans or any other Asians.

Who was responsible for the 350 years? The US?

 The US under our current  Constitution came to be in 1789. So under the Constitution, slavery existed in the US for 76 years… not 350. Even then, it was a private institution. 

Who was responsible for the Atlantic slave trade? The entire endeavor started from the Portuguese. Other countries later joined in but none were the US as the US would not exist or even be contemplated for hundreds of years.

How were slaves captured? They were captured by Black Africans.  That’s right… Black African slaves were captured by other Black Africans and sold as cattle and some were kept as slaves in Africa.

No matter how we try to dissect it, if Black Africans did not capture, enslave and then sell other Black Africans as a commodity, there would have been no slave trade.

So Blacks were captured and sold Blacks hundreds of years before the US was ever thought of and whose government didn’t own any slaves, whose country fought a war because of slavery with thousands of Whites  being killed or dying (approximately 400,000 plus 400,000 wounded) yet the US government is responsible for what?

Toss in the tidbit that many slave owners in this country were Black, including women. So of the likely thousands of Black Americans whose ancestors actually owned slaves, do they get reparations based on melanin content when in fact they furthered the institution?

Reparations European and west African  countries that caused the slave trade? 

UT alum doesn’t believe blacks in Africa started the slave trade of blacks into America.

[tvc184]

2 minutes ago, BS Wildcats said:

UT alum doesn’t believe blacks in Africa started the slave trade of blacks into America.

Ignoring history is a common theme.  I suppose the Black slave owners in the US get a pass also. 

[BS Wildcats]

6 minutes ago, tvc184 said:

Ignoring history is a common theme.  I suppose the Black slave owners in the US get a pass also. 

Big girl’s descendants were probably slave owners

[Big girl]

2 hours ago, CardinalBacker said:

Black Wall Street did, eventually, rise from the ashes and Greenwood enjoyed another heyday in the 1940s, but 

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 in the 1960s and the 1970s led to new declines the neighborhood was unable to fully overcome, Johnson said. The setback has only compounded since then as Tulsa remains largely segregated and riddled with racial disparities.

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So let me get this straight... the neighborhood bounced back from 1921, was prosperous, then fell apart again in the 1960s and 1970s like a lot of communities... but it's still the blame of the Tulsa "Massacre?"  Get out of here.  

 

Without any help from the government. They had to rebuild on their own.  They never should've been bombed. So sad. They are still digging up bodies.

[Big girl]

1 hour ago, Unwoke said:

Go do your Google research Mr. SmartA$$. 
 

For the record the firm my wife works at has a couple of actual African Americans that work there, an were born in Africa then went through the legal process to come to America, an they tell her all the time how African Americans in America with a mindset like yours are just so embarrassing to their race. Lol

 

Sure they did. You are lying.

[BS Wildcats]

3 minutes ago, Big girl said:

Sure they did. You are lying.

I didn’t know you were a mind reader, as well as a nurse.  My, how talented you are!!

[Big girl]

3 hours ago, CardinalBacker said:

Sure... you can lose your job and be charged with a hate crime for saying certain words... unless you're black.  Black people can use it any time they like. 

You can also be given preference in college admissions and hiring because of your skin color... but only if you're black.  If you lose your job, you can file a lawsuit against your employer based solely on your race and get paid.... but not if you're white.  You can set up charities to exclusively support your own race...but only if you're black.  Want to use federal funds to build and institution of higher learning that caters to just one race?  Better not try that if you're white.  Want admitted to a prestigious university for which you're not academically qualified?  Better check that box marked "African American."

We've catered and catered to that population in the name of "progress" and it's done nothing but set them further behind.  

 

 

Not true. Only disinfranchised, uneducated white men think so. You thought my son was an athlete or got into Baylor because of affirmative action. He had a 4,9 on a 4.0, tested out of numerous college courses etc. He earned it

[Unwoke]

10 minutes ago, Big girl said:

Sure they did. You are lying.

Oh yes they did. My wife wouldn’t lie to me about something so trivial. I forgot to include you, you obviously have the same mindset as UTI. I know the truth hurts. Bless your little heart.

[Unwoke]

8 minutes ago, BS Wildcats said:

I didn’t know you were a mind reader, as well as a nurse.  My, how talented you are!!

Bless her little heart. 

[Big girl]

3 hours ago, CardinalBacker said:

You missed the point... on day one the score was 10 dead whites, 2 dead blacks.  So the whole "massacre" thing is a lie.  It was fight.... which apparently the blacks were initially winning, but ultimately lost big.  

It was a mess, it shouldn't have happened, hopefully it never happens again.  But to pretend that it was just a bunch of white people killing blacks unprovoked is a fairy tale.  In fact, you could argue that the blacks instigated the whole thing.  Long story short, it's not a massacre if both sides are to blame.  That's just a battle that one side won.  

It's funny how we're all so alienated.  The "official" death toll from tulsa is 10 whites and 26 blacks.  Some people say that number could be as high as 300... but nobody knows.  On the other hand, we can definitively say that 63 people were killed in the LA Race Riots in 1992.  Notice how those are riots, not "massacres."  

A black kid accidentally stepped on a white girls shoe in an elevator. He was arrested. A rumor spread and it was stated that he raped  the girl. A mob of angry white men gathered near the jail. They wanted to lynch the "boy". Black men went there in an attempt to protect the poor fellow. The sheriff convinced the black men to leave, because he said he had it all under control. A white man attempted to take a black man's gun, even though he had one. That is how things started. Where did they get the planes and bombs from?

[TxHoops]

3 hours ago, LumRaiderFan said:

Women couldn’t vote way back when, should we cut them a check?

 

I know plenty of guys who cut women checks every month 😉

[TxHoops]

10 hours ago, BS Wildcats said:

My great-great grandfather was forced off of his native land in North Carolina, the Trail of Tears, and marched by force to Oklahoma.  This was done by OUR government.  Should I be entitled to reparations?

Had no idea. Probably good for you or you would have been peppered with questions during one of those ball games.  And be prepared for the next one lol

[LumRaiderFan]

17 minutes ago, TxHoops said:

I know plenty of guys who cut women checks every month 😉

Reparations? 😬🙂

[5GallonBucket]

 

[UT alum]

4 hours ago, Unwoke said:

Go do your Google research Mr. SmartA$$. 
 

For the record the firm my wife works at has a couple of actual African Americans that work there, an were born in Africa then went through the legal process to come to America, an they tell her all the time how African Americans in America with a mindset like yours are just so embarrassing to their race. Lol

 

Well, their ancestors weren’t subject to the hatred and brutality of the white man, so I understand their perspective and how it helps rationalize your denial of systemic racism.

[UT alum]

3 hours ago, BS Wildcats said:

UT alum doesn’t believe blacks in Africa started the slave trade of blacks into America.

Where did I say that? Slavery was a part of their culture for as long as or longer than the Romans. I believe the Portuguese first connected them to white society. That changed the economic effect of slavery and when the white man’s greed infected them, it ceased to be a tribal thing and became a money thing and the unscrupulous among both cultures took over. You’re comparing apples with oranges. You ain’t got a clue what I believe, BS.

[UT alum]

4 hours ago, Unwoke said:

You never answered my above post. It’s pains you to answer it , doesn’t it?

 

 

 

I ain’t writing it again. See my reply to BS on page 4. That answers you, and it doesn’t oain me a bit.

[tvc184]

47 minutes ago, UT alum said:

Where did I say that? Slavery was a part of their culture for as long as or longer than the Romans. I believe the Portuguese first connected them to white society. That changed the economic effect of slavery and when the white man’s greed infected them, it ceased to be a tribal thing and became a money thing and the unscrupulous among both cultures took over. You’re comparing apples with oranges. You ain’t got a clue what I believe, BS.

If the greed from the buyer or the seller took over, who is responsible for reparations? The White man who wanted cheap labor to pick crops or the Black man who was willing to capture and sell his own people for profit? 

[UT alum]

21 minutes ago, tvc184 said:

If the greed from the buyer or the seller took over, who is responsible for reparations? The White man who wanted cheap labor to pick crops or the Black man who was willing to capture and sell his own people for profit? 

You don’t understand apple as and oranges?

the white man owes for corrupting their system wit his values.