Hagar Posted May 2, 2021 Report Share Posted May 2, 2021 I’m confused about the news coverage on the India Covid “crisis”. Here’s why. Population US - 331 Million, India - 1.3 Billion. Deaths from Covid US 583 Million, India 218 Million. India has four times as many people as the US and half the deaths. Why is the Media going all “full court press” on this? Only thing that comes to me, so the Democrats can continue their little power grab of Americans. Can anyone think of another reason? Something Machiavellian is happening here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvc184 Posted May 3, 2021 Report Share Posted May 3, 2021 8 hours ago, Hagar said: I’m confused about the news coverage on the India Covid “crisis”. Here’s why. Population US - 331 Million, India - 1.3 Billion. Deaths from Covid US 583 Million, India 218 Million. India has four times as many people as the US and half the deaths. Why is the Media going all “full court press” on this? Only thing that comes to me, so the Democrats can continue their little power grab of Americans. Can anyone think of another reason? Something Machiavellian is happening here. If the US has had 583 million deaths, we have all died twice. CardinalBacker, Hagar and bullets13 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hagar Posted May 3, 2021 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2021 8 hours ago, Hagar said: I’m confused about the news coverage on the India Covid “crisis”. Here’s why. Population US - 331 Million, India - 1.3 Billion. Deaths from Covid US 583 Million, India 218 Million. India has four times as many people as the US and half the deaths. Why is the Media going all “full court press” on this? Only thing that comes to me, so the Democrats can continue their little power grab of Americans. Can anyone think of another reason? Something Machiavellian is happening here. Correction US 583 Thousand India 218 Thousand. Senior moment. 🙄😳😜 Thanks to tvc184 for pointing out my temporary insanity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WOSdrummer99 Posted May 3, 2021 Report Share Posted May 3, 2021 Deaths / population US 577,035 / 332,639,198 India 215,542 / 1,391,521,814 Survival rate US 99.83% India 99.98% 5GallonBucket 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5GallonBucket Posted May 3, 2021 Report Share Posted May 3, 2021 7 hours ago, WOSdrummer99 said: Deaths / population US 577,035 / 332,639,198 India 215,542 / 1,391,521,814 Survival rate US 99.83% India 99.98% I love numbers WOSdrummer99 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Realville Posted May 3, 2021 Report Share Posted May 3, 2021 10 hours ago, WOSdrummer99 said: Deaths / population US 577,035 / 332,639,198 India 215,542 / 1,391,521,814 Survival rate US 99.83% India 99.98% Your going to get Bullets all upset with those survival rate numbers! 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullets13 Posted May 3, 2021 Report Share Posted May 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Realville said: Your going to get Bullets all upset with those survival rate numbers! 😂 I'm not upset. There's different ways to look at the numbers. It's definitely more supportive to y'all's argument to count people who've not been infected as survivors, rather than to determine the percentage of those infected who've died. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullets13 Posted May 3, 2021 Report Share Posted May 3, 2021 As to the original question posed, it's news right now because they prematurely declared victory over covid, and after months of low numbers India is now seeing cases and deaths at an unprecedented rate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5GallonBucket Posted May 3, 2021 Report Share Posted May 3, 2021 7 minutes ago, bullets13 said: I'm not upset. There's different ways to look at the numbers. It's definitely more supportive to y'all's argument to count people who've not been infected as survivors, rather than to determine the percentage of those infected who've died. Most people have been infected. Just didn’t know it or chose not to go to doctor or be tested Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5GallonBucket Posted May 3, 2021 Report Share Posted May 3, 2021 7 minutes ago, bullets13 said: As to the original question posed, it's news right now because they prematurely declared victory over covid, and after months of low numbers India is now seeing cases and deaths at an unprecedented rate. Probably a different strain just like the flu....mutates Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullets13 Posted May 3, 2021 Report Share Posted May 3, 2021 13 minutes ago, 5GallonBucket said: Probably a different strain just like the flu....mutates from what I've seen they've been hit by one of the newer strains. but their govt opened everything up with basically no restrictions, and within a month it blew back up over there. The difference between there and here is that A) it's a lot more crowded. B ) lot less hygienic there C) a lot smaller % vaccinated D) poorer healthcare Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baddog Posted May 3, 2021 Report Share Posted May 3, 2021 I don’t trust the US numbers due to the fact that hospitals made more money off Covid cases, you know, the ones who were inundated with Covid cases, especially the the temp hospitals set up in parking lots that had zero patients. The people who make the money are the mask people, hand sanitizer people (take your pick), and the panic media (exaggerated numbers for the fear factor) who continue to beat their drums in the name of seeing this country going down the toilet. Realville 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WOSdrummer99 Posted May 3, 2021 Report Share Posted May 3, 2021 40 minutes ago, bullets13 said: I'm not upset. There's different ways to look at the numbers. It's definitely more supportive to y'all's argument to count people who've not been infected as survivors, rather than to determine the percentage of those infected who've died. Ok. Before it was a basic rate for all of humanity. Here is the % of those infected who have died. Deaths / confirmed cases US 544,889 / 32,448,723 India 215,542 / 19,925,604 Texas 49,303 / 2,897,234 Survival rates US 98.32% India 98.91% Texas 98.34% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5GallonBucket Posted May 3, 2021 Report Share Posted May 3, 2021 51 minutes ago, WOSdrummer99 said: Ok. Before it was a basic rate for all of humanity. Here is the % of those infected who have died. Deaths / confirmed cases US 544,889 / 32,448,723 India 215,542 / 19,925,604 Texas 49,303 / 2,897,234 Survival rates US 98.32% India 98.91% Texas 98.34% And those numbers are actually probably better givin what I stated in last post as well as cause of death being something else but the patient had covid LumRaiderFan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Realville Posted May 3, 2021 Report Share Posted May 3, 2021 1 hour ago, WOSdrummer99 said: Ok. Before it was a basic rate for all of humanity. Here is the % of those infected who have died. Deaths / confirmed cases US 544,889 / 32,448,723 India 215,542 / 19,925,604 Texas 49,303 / 2,897,234 Survival rates US 98.32% India 98.91% Texas 98.34% Elections have been known to make the virus numbers sky rocket. Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Realville Posted May 3, 2021 Report Share Posted May 3, 2021 1 hour ago, bullets13 said: from what I've seen they've been hit by one of the newer strains. but their govt opened everything up with basically no restrictions, and within a month it blew back up over there. The difference between there and here is that A) it's a lot more crowded. B ) lot less hygienic there C) a lot smaller % vaccinated D) poorer healthcare Really? How is Africa doing with the virus? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullets13 Posted May 3, 2021 Report Share Posted May 3, 2021 41 minutes ago, 5GallonBucket said: And those numbers are actually probably better givin what I stated in last post as well as cause of death being something else but the patient had covid I think that it's a relatively small amount of cases where the death is incorrectly ruled as covid. There are certainly mistakes made, or some cases where it wasn't a deciding factor. There are also undoubtedly covid deaths that weren't counted early on, or even missed still. That said, I think the numbers are realistically better than they appear because many cases of covid aren't diagnosed. This is just making up a number, but if, say, 20% of all cases are never diagnosed or counted, then survival rates of the infected are much better. I would think the survival rate of those infected is probably around 99% in developed countries, where on average it's documented around 98%. That said, when you're talking about it on a worldwide scale, 1% is a tremendous amount of people, and death rates are much higher in poorer countries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullets13 Posted May 3, 2021 Report Share Posted May 3, 2021 1 hour ago, WOSdrummer99 said: Ok. Before it was a basic rate for all of humanity. Here is the % of those infected who have died. Deaths / confirmed cases US 544,889 / 32,448,723 India 215,542 / 19,925,604 Texas 49,303 / 2,897,234 Survival rates US 98.32% India 98.91% Texas 98.34% Pretty substantial difference between the two. Kinda depends on who's making the argument and what they're trying to argue that determines which number people use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5GallonBucket Posted May 3, 2021 Report Share Posted May 3, 2021 25 minutes ago, bullets13 said: I think that it's a relatively small amount of cases where the death is incorrectly ruled as covid. There are certainly mistakes made, or some cases where it wasn't a deciding factor. There are also undoubtedly covid deaths that weren't counted early on, or even missed still. That said, I think the numbers are realistically better than they appear because many cases of covid aren't diagnosed. This is just making up a number, but if, say, 20% of all cases are never diagnosed or counted, then survival rates of the infected are much better. I would think the survival rate of those infected is probably around 99% in developed countries, where on average it's documented around 98%. That said, when you're talking about it on a worldwide scale, 1% is a tremendous amount of people, and death rates are much higher in poorer countries. Also if a person has had it more than once is it considered in the survival rate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WOSdrummer99 Posted May 3, 2021 Report Share Posted May 3, 2021 1 hour ago, bullets13 said: Pretty substantial difference between the two. Kinda depends on who's making the argument and what they're trying to argue that determines which number people use. Only a difference of 1.29%. Which in world population equals about 1.1 million. I'm not making any argument. Just presenting the numbers. Dont shoot the messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5GallonBucket Posted May 3, 2021 Report Share Posted May 3, 2021 Go look at the world death rate per year. 2020 was slightly higher than years 2016-2019 but 2015 on back ......2020 had a lower death rate. This is the hidden content, please Sign In or Sign Up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullets13 Posted May 3, 2021 Report Share Posted May 3, 2021 57 minutes ago, WOSdrummer99 said: Only a difference of 1.29%. Which in world population equals about 1.1 million. I'm not making any argument. Just presenting the numbers. Dont shoot the messenger. I'm not upset about anything, but I don't really understand what you're trying to say here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullets13 Posted May 3, 2021 Report Share Posted May 3, 2021 5 minutes ago, 5GallonBucket said: Go look at the world death rate per year. 2020 was slightly higher than years 2016-2019 but 2015 on back ......2020 had a lower death rate. This is the hidden content, please Sign In or Sign Up This is the same chart Realville tried to use awhile back. The most recent years are based on pre-covid UN projections, not on real numbers. Just like I told him when he posted it: It literally says directly about the graph: "NOTE: All 2020 and later data are UN projections and DO NOT include any impacts of the COVID-19 virus." I went through in another post and provided accurate and easy to navigate data that showed that there was in fact a very large spike in deaths last year that coincided very closely to the amount of reported deaths in the US for 2020. 5GallonBucket 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullets13 Posted May 3, 2021 Report Share Posted May 3, 2021 2 hours ago, 5GallonBucket said: Also if a person has had it more than once is it considered in the survival rate. I would think so, but who knows. If someone has it twice, it's going to be reported to the health department twice, so it would only make sense. But not everything makes sense these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Realville Posted May 3, 2021 Report Share Posted May 3, 2021 33 minutes ago, bullets13 said: This is the same chart Realville tried to use awhile back. The most recent years are based on pre-covid UN projections, not on real numbers. Just like I told him when he posted it: It literally says directly about the graph: "NOTE: All 2020 and later data are UN projections and DO NOT include any impacts of the COVID-19 virus." I went through in another post and provided accurate and easy to navigate data that showed that there was in fact a very large spike in deaths last year that coincided very closely to the amount of reported deaths in the US for 2020. Never understood why someone would put out a death speculation chart an then add a disclaimer to the death chart. Real numbers don’t support the narrative being pushed. Regardless it’s hard to believe much of the information put out to the public these days. It seems there is an agenda to put out false information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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