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AggiesAreWe
AggiesAreWe

Should Reagan change his username to Chicken Little?

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WOSgrad
WOSgrad

Forgive me, but all of the arguments for vaccination as a preventative ring a bit hollow today as I spend the 3rd day here in the COVID unit at Memorial Hermann in the Med Center.

WOSgrad

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  On 8/2/2021 at 7:59 PM, baddog said:

Don’t know your age, but Trump is an old fart like me (actually older than me), so that should be very encouraging right there, as far as safety concerns.

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You're right. I am significantly younger than Trump (I am 53).  So I am not concerned about that.  My concern is why it took my doctors so long to start it.

SmashMouth

SmashMouth

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  On 8/2/2021 at 8:07 PM, WOSgrad said:

You're right. I am significantly younger than Trump (I am 53).  So I am not concerned about that.  My concern is why it took my doctors so long to start it.

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It’s my understanding that remdesivir is still not embraced by all in the medical arena and is often times hard to get. I don’t know if that’s the reason, but it’s possible. Clinical trials do show that it’s more effective if started earlier in the recovery process. 

WOSgrad

WOSgrad

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  On 8/2/2021 at 8:31 PM, BS Wildcats said:

They probably had to run it by Commie Fauci first.  Hopefully, you start feeling better!!

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Well, one of the things that I got the vaccination is that I don't let my political views get in the way of my physical condition (insert joke here).  If she is letting her political views get in the way of my physical health, then she will get a nice little letter from the Texas Board of Medical Examiner's advising them of the complaint I filed against her.

Derf Nosneb

Derf Nosneb

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The Nuremberg Code

  1. The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential.
    This means that the person involved should have legal capacity to give consent; should be so situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, over-reaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion; and should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter involved, as to enable him to make an understanding and enlightened decision. This latter element requires that, before the acceptance of an affirmative decision by the experimental subject, there should be made known to him the nature, duration, and purpose of the experiment; the method and means by which it is to be conducted; all inconveniences and hazards reasonably to be expected; and the effects upon his health or person, which may possibly come from his participation in the experiment. 
    The duty and responsibility for ascertaining the quality of the consent rests upon each individual who initiates, directs or engages in the experiment. It is a personal duty and responsibility which may not be delegated to another with impunity.
  2. The experiment should be such as to yield fruitful results for the good of society, unprocurable by other methods or means of study, and not random and unnecessary in nature.
  3. The experiment should be so designed and based on the results of animal experimentation and a knowledge of the natural history of the disease or other problem under study, that the anticipated results will justify the performance of the experiment.
  4. The experiment should be so conducted as to avoid all unnecessary physical and mental suffering and injury.
  5. No experiment should be conducted, where there is an a priori reason to believe that death or disabling injury will occur; except, perhaps, in those experiments where the
    experimental physicians also serve as subjects.
  6. The degree of risk to be taken should never exceed that determined by the humanitarian importance of the problem to be solved by the experiment.
  7. Proper preparations should be made and adequate facilities provided to protect the experimental subject against even remote possibilities of injury, disability, or death.
  8. The experiment should be conducted only by scientifically qualified persons. The highest degree of skill and care should be required through all stages of the experiment of those who conduct or engage in the experiment.
  9. During the course of the experiment, the human subject should be at liberty to bring the experiment to an end, if he has reached the physical or mental state, where continuation of the experiment seemed to him to be impossible.
  10. During the course of the experiment, the scientist in charge must be prepared to terminate the experiment at any stage, if he has probable cause to believe, in the exercise of the good faith, superior skill and careful judgement required of him, that a continuation of the experiment is likely to result in injury, disability, or death to the experimental subject.

["Trials of War Criminals before the Nuremberg Military Tribunals under Control Council Law No. 10", Vol. 2, pp. 181-182. Washington, D.C.: U.S. Government Printing Office, 1949.]

SmashMouth

SmashMouth

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  On 8/4/2021 at 6:48 PM, Derf Nosneb said:

The Nuremberg Code

  1. The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential.
    This means that the person involved should have legal capacity to give consent; should be so situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, over-reaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion; and should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter involved, as to enable him to make an understanding and enlightened decision. This latter element requires that, before the acceptance of an affirmative decision by the experimental subject, there should be made known to him the nature, duration, and purpose of the experiment; the method and means by which it is to be conducted; all inconveniences and hazards reasonably to be expected; and the effects upon his health or person, which may possibly come from his participation in the experiment. 
    The duty and responsibility for ascertaining the quality of the consent rests upon each individual who initiates, directs or engages in the experiment. It is a personal duty and responsibility which may not be delegated to another with impunity.
  2. The experiment should be such as to yield fruitful results for the good of society, unprocurable by other methods or means of study, and not random and unnecessary in nature.
  3. The experiment should be so designed and based on the results of animal experimentation and a knowledge of the natural history of the disease or other problem under study, that the anticipated results will justify the performance of the experiment.
  4. The experiment should be so conducted as to avoid all unnecessary physical and mental suffering and injury.
  5. No experiment should be conducted, where there is an a priori reason to believe that death or disabling injury will occur; except, perhaps, in those experiments where the
    experimental physicians also serve as subjects.
  6. The degree of risk to be taken should never exceed that determined by the humanitarian importance of the problem to be solved by the experiment.
  7. Proper preparations should be made and adequate facilities provided to protect the experimental subject against even remote possibilities of injury, disability, or death.
  8. The experiment should be conducted only by scientifically qualified persons. The highest degree of skill and care should be required through all stages of the experiment of those who conduct or engage in the experiment.
  9. During the course of the experiment, the human subject should be at liberty to bring the experiment to an end, if he has reached the physical or mental state, where continuation of the experiment seemed to him to be impossible.
  10. During the course of the experiment, the scientist in charge must be prepared to terminate the experiment at any stage, if he has probable cause to believe, in the exercise of the good faith, superior skill and careful judgement required of him, that a continuation of the experiment is likely to result in injury, disability, or death to the experimental subject.

["Trials of War Criminals before the Nuremberg Military Tribunals under Control Council Law No. 10", Vol. 2, pp. 181-182. Washington, D.C.: U.S. Government Printing Office, 1949.]

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So are you saying, “get the shot”?

Derf Nosneb

Derf Nosneb

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  On 8/5/2021 at 3:24 AM, SmashMouth said:

So are you saying, “get the shot”?

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No I am saying the way the government is pushing the "vaccine" violates the Nuremberg Code of ethics which was agreed upon after the medical experiments committed on the Jew and non-anglo population during WWII.

It states, "without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, over-reaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or COERCION; 

SmashMouth

SmashMouth

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  On 8/6/2021 at 1:12 AM, Derf Nosneb said:

No I am saying the way the government is pushing the "vaccine" violates the Nuremberg Code of ethics which was agreed upon after the medical experiments committed on the Jew and non-anglo population during WWII.

It states, "without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, over-reaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or COERCION; 

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I was being facetious. Lol. 

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