P.a. Isd requiring mask and the Bible in public schools

[bullets13]

4 hours ago, LumRaiderFan said:

Sad that so many consider the SC to be that higher standard.

As far as the whimsical beliefs that this nation was founded upon, I wonder if these folks making this argument would be ok with removing "In God We Trust" from everything, letting someone swear upon the book of their choosing in a courtroom, removing the Ten Commandments and anything referring to God from all gov property?  God used to permeate our society, even in schools.  We remove Him from more and more areas of our life and then wonder why other bad elements are filling the vacuum. 

But hey, let's make some high school cheerleaders writing Scripture on some banners the problem.

smh

This nation was founded on religious freedom, not a Christian mandate.  In God We Trust was first used in our country nearly a century after we won our independence.  I don't have a problem with Christianity, but I definitely have a problem with it being forced on people, as it was for about 150 years.  And while I don't disagree that there are a lot of problems today, there were a whole lot of problems when Christianity was integrated into all aspects of our society as well.  

[LumRaiderFan]

16 minutes ago, 5GallonBucket said:

Parents have more say in their own kids life.

Absolutely.  I do agree with Mat's point as far as interference from the state in an INDEPENDENT school district but by taking state and fed money, they deem themselves not so independent.

[LumRaiderFan]

3 minutes ago, bullets13 said:

This nation was founded on religious freedom, not a Christian mandate.  In God We Trust was first used in our country nearly a century after we won our independence.  I don't have a problem with Christianity, but I definitely have a problem with it being shoved down people's throats, as it was for about 150 years.  And while I don't disagree that there are a lot of problems today, there were a whole lot of problems when Christianity was integrated into all aspects of our society as well.  

So explain the Christian mandate you are talking about.  I'm not seeing it.

[bullets13]

9 minutes ago, LumRaiderFan said:

So explain the Christian mandate you are talking about.  I'm not seeing it.

Literally the mandate you were describing as the good old days in the original post I quoted, where you were missing when Christianity forced on you in public schools, government buildings, and all other sorts of places.  

[LumRaiderFan]

3 minutes ago, bullets13 said:

Literally the mandate you were describing as the good old days in the original post I quoted, where you were missing when Christianity forced on you in public schools, government buildings, and all other sorts of places.  

So we haven't allowed other religions in this country since it was formed?

[5GallonBucket]

21 minutes ago, bullets13 said:

This nation was founded on religious freedom, not a Christian mandate.  In God We Trust was first used in our country nearly a century after we won our independence.  I don't have a problem with Christianity, but I definitely have a problem with it being forced on people, as it was for about 150 years.  And while I don't disagree that there are a lot of problems today, there were a whole lot of problems when Christianity was integrated into all aspects of our society as well.  

That’s because people didn’t want to hear the truth because it went against their lifestyle

[LumRaiderFan]

2 minutes ago, 5GallonBucket said:

That’s because people didn’t want to hear the truth because it went against their lifestyle

Exactly right, the excuse that somehow Christianity is forced on folks is not true.

A preacher preaches that homosexuality or adultery is wrong and all of a sudden they are guilty of wanting to infringe on folk's lifestyle.  Nope.

What will happen as weak Christians remain silent is the Muslims will slowly grow (sure can't offend anyone by calling out their beliefs...other than Christians) and when there are enough numbers, you'll see a group that has no problem infringing on a lifestyle they disagree with.

[tvc184]

9 hours ago, LumRaiderFan said:

So we haven't allowed other religions in this country since it was formed?

Allowed is much different than having children say Christian prayers at the  beginning of every day in public schools. 

[SmashMouth]

4 hours ago, tvc184 said:

Allowed is much different than having children say Christian prayers at the  beginning of every day in public schools. 

Very true, but I don’t believe I was ever forced to say a prayer in public schools. 

[tvc184]

22 minutes ago, SmashMouth said:

Very true, but I don’t believe I was ever forced to say a prayer in public schools. 

I wasn’t either but it was common in most school districts before I started school. 

[5GallonBucket]

5 hours ago, tvc184 said:

Allowed is much different than having children say Christian prayers at the  beginning of every day in public schools. 

It is

but now we have boys being allowed in girls bathrooms and boys wrestling girls on the mat.

christian prayers aren’t harmful….PERIOD

laws are laws

but look where we are at…..now fast forward15 20 25 years from now where will we be?

[LumRaiderFan]

7 hours ago, tvc184 said:

Allowed is much different than having children say Christian prayers at the  beginning of every day in public schools. 

Which there is absolutely nothing wrong with.

[LumRaiderFan]

2 hours ago, 5GallonBucket said:

It is

but now we have boys being allowed in girls bathrooms and boys wrestling girls on the mat.

christian prayers aren’t harmful….PERIOD

laws are laws

but look where we are at…..now fast forward15 20 25 years from now where will we be?

We have definitely chosen the wrong path...all in the name of fairness.

[tvc184]

4 hours ago, 5GallonBucket said:

It is

but now we have boys being allowed in girls bathrooms and boys wrestling girls on the mat.

christian prayers aren’t harmful….PERIOD

laws are laws

but look where we are at…..now fast forward15 20 25 years from now where will we be?

A lot of things are not harmful. That does not mean you should be forced to do them under the guise of freedom. 

[tvc184]

2 hours ago, LumRaiderFan said:

Which there is absolutely nothing wrong with.

Constitutionally there is absolutely something wrong with it. I find some humor that  people fall back on constitutional rights until it goes against one of their beliefs.

I have the right to freedom of speech!

I have the right to own firearms!

I have the right to be free from unreasonable searches and seizures!

i am not to keen on the freedom of religion though….

[LumRaiderFan]

2 minutes ago, tvc184 said:

Constitutionally there is absolutely something wrong with it. I find some humor that  people fall back on constitutional rights until it goes against one of their beliefs.

I have the right to freedom of speech!

I have the right to own firearms!

I have the right to be free from unreasonable searches and seizures!

i am not to keen on the freedom of religion though….

You can't come at me with the "Constitutionally wrong" argument and convince me that makes it right.

9 SC justices have approved the practice of killing our most innocent for convenience, it's "Constitutionally right".

Just because some men and women have stamped approval on something and it's the official law of the land doesn't make it right...it simply makes it legal.

There are going to be a lot of folks that stand before the ultimate judgement one day saying, "but, but, but it was legal."

[tvc184]

5 minutes ago, LumRaiderFan said:

You can't come at me with the "Constitutionally wrong" argument and convince me that makes it right.

9 SC justices have approved the practice of killing our most innocent for convenience, it's "Constitutionally right".

Just because some men and women have stamped approval on something and it's the official law of the land doesn't make it right...it simply makes it legal.

There are going to be a lot of folks that stand before the ultimate judgement one day saying, "but, but, but it was legal."

Absolutely true. But being right you’re talking about is it right in your mind only. You’re entitled because no government can tell you what to think. Even China and North Korea cannot control people’s thoughts. They can only control what they say and do in public.

 

So you can pick any topic you wish and say “I disagree”. Of course if you say so publicly, you’re going by the United States Constitution under your freedom of speech. It doesn’t make you right, it just makes you legal. 

[5GallonBucket]

Where did law come from?

[5GallonBucket]

56 minutes ago, LumRaiderFan said:

You can't come at me with the "Constitutionally wrong" argument and convince me that makes it right.

9 SC justices have approved the practice of killing our most innocent for convenience, it's "Constitutionally right".

Just because some men and women have stamped approval on something and it's the official law of the land doesn't make it right...it simply makes it legal.

There are going to be a lot of folks that stand before the ultimate judgement one day saying, "but, but, but it was legal."

Amen and amen

Before long every and any lifestyle will have man made rights that clearly goes against the Almighty. We have seen the problems it has caused.

 We ll see how that works out for them….

[baddog]

3 hours ago, LumRaiderFan said:

We have definitely chosen the wrong path...all in the name of fairness.

I hate the word “fair”. In order to be fair to someone, you have to screw the heck out of someone else. 
We had Bible class as an “elective” when I was in high school. Go figure. 

[5GallonBucket]

1 hour ago, tvc184 said:

A lot of things are not harmful. That does not mean you should be forced to do them under the guise of freedom. 

with that same notion

So let’s not teach our kids manners at school. Let’s not teach discipline nor enforce it. Let’s not teach responsibility, or math or science or reading and writing 
why is it a crime if I don’t send my kid to school.

Are those being forced under the guise of freedom

[5GallonBucket]

21 hours ago, bullets13 said:

Literally the mandate you were describing as the good old days in the original post I quoted, where you were missing when Christianity forced on you in public schools, government buildings, and all other sorts of places.  

Why does the process of swearing in take place with one hand on the BIBLE

[5GallonBucket]

6 hours ago, tvc184 said:

I wasn’t either but it was common in most school districts before I started school. 

And I’m sure those districts/kids were better off as a whole.

[LumRaiderFan]

1 hour ago, tvc184 said:

Absolutely true. But being right you’re talking about is it right in your mind only. You’re entitled because no government can tell you what to think. Even China and North Korea cannot control people’s thoughts. They can only control what they say and do in public.

 

So you can pick any topic you wish and say “I disagree”. Of course if you say so publicly, you’re going by the United States Constitution under your freedom of speech. It doesn’t make you right, it just makes you legal. 

The "being right" I am talking about is not in my mind only.  There have been lots of issues that have been legal in the past but weren't "right".

I understand you put a lot of stock in the law just because it is the law and because of your background.  Laws have to make sense in order for me to have respect for them, not simply because it is the law.  Over 50,000,000 innocents dead since R v W...all neat and legal.

Men have gotten it wrong many times in the past and continue to do so and I believe the main reason is we have purged God out of our decision making.

 

[tvc184]

12 minutes ago, 5GallonBucket said:

with that same notion

So let’s not teach our kids manners at school. Let’s not teach discipline nor enforce it. Let’s not teach responsibility, or math or science or reading and writing 
why is it a crime if I don’t send my kid to school.

Are those being forced under the guise of freedom

What does religion have to do with manners in school? When did we abdicate teaching children manners or discipline to a public school district?

None of that is forced in any case. 

You do not have to send your child to a public school. In fact you don’t have to send him to school at all but the government does require attempted learning even at home. 

Apparently some people have a very difficult time understanding constitutional rights with laws that have nothing to do with rights. I mean by your argument, we should be able to drive 120 miles an hour do a residential neighborhood because of freedom. That is nonsensical.

The freedoms that I am talking about all the freedoms guaranteed in the Constitution of the United States. 

None of your comment has anything to do with that.