Atascocita 21 North Shore 31/Final

[Cougar14.2]

10 hours ago, Uncle Pig said:

Prosper is incredibly talented 

They made it to the 6A-D2 regional finals last year. It’s not some shocker they beat Allen. There are several unranked 6As in the DFW that wouldn’t be a shock to beat their top ranked teams. 

[AggiesAreWe]

3 hours ago, Cougar14.2 said:

Stump has some good offensive linemen at Atascocita. He has more talent relative to the class than he did at Westbrook which is why he was able to go over there and start winning almost immediately. North Shore produces high major prospects at every position on the field regularly, Atascocita does not. He has a lot of talent but he doesn’t have the same type kids coach Kay does. Only a handful of schools do. 
 

Stump was at Westbrook 7 years, tell me what team he lost to in the playoffs that he should’ve beaten? Dude was losing to Dickinson, Pearland and Katy who all have more talent than WB does. Look at Reginald Samples’ record at Dallas Skyline, he couldn’t make it past certain teams either but you give him a few more pieces and Duncan like is a title contender every year now. Sometimes we think we’re working with more than we actually are. 

This. 100% correct

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14 minutes ago, AggiesAreWe said:

This. 100% correct

I concur....

[Yeoj]

4 hours ago, Cougar14.2 said:

Stump has some good offensive linemen at Atascocita. He has more talent relative to the class than he did at Westbrook which is why he was able to go over there and start winning almost immediately. North Shore produces high major prospects at every position on the field regularly, Atascocita does not. He has a lot of talent but he doesn’t have the same type kids coach Kay does. Only a handful of schools do. 
 

Stump was at Westbrook 7 years, tell me what team he lost to in the playoffs that he should’ve beaten? Dude was losing to Dickinson, Pearland and Katy who all have more talent than WB does. Look at Reginald Samples’ record at Dallas Skyline, he couldn’t make it past certain teams either but you give him a few more pieces and Duncan like is a title contender every year now. Sometimes we think we’re working with more than we actually are. 

Stump had Christine Michaels and Ryan Grant on the same team that lost to Dickinson in the 2nd round of the playoffs. That's a NFL RB and a NFL WR on the same team. Plus they had a kid that was playing LB that for Stump led team that eventually made it to Canadian League football. Dickinson was not more talented than that WB squad. Stump is the most overrated High school football coach in history! He can only win when he has better players than his opponents. If the talent is equal or the other team has better players, Stump loses!

[BMTSoulja1]

Also, that Derrick Carr lead Fort Bend Clemens (sp)  team was NOT more talented than that West Brook team that year.

[Yeoj]

In Stump's seven seasons at WB at least four of his teams were more talented than the West Brook team that made it to state in 2018. All Stump could muster with that talent is the 3rd round of the playoffs. Dude won district once in seven years! He is very much overrated as a football coach.

[Cougar14.2]

8 hours ago, Yeoj said:

Stump had Christine Michaels and Ryan Grant on the same team that lost to Dickinson in the 2nd round of the playoffs. That's a NFL RB and a NFL WR on the same team. Plus they had a kid that was playing LB that for Stump led team that eventually made it to Canadian League football. Dickinson was not more talented than that WB squad. Stump is the most overrated High school football coach in history! He can only win when he has better players than his opponents. If the talent is equal or the other team has better players, Stump loses!

That’s the issue, you’re pointing out a player like Ryan Grant who was a two star at Westbrook, busting his butt and getting to the league is on him later.  The handful of elite players he had in his time there versus the 10 FBs recruits he has on his roster at any given time at ‘Cita is obviously a game changer for any coach. Atascocita does not have better players than Allen and he went up there and beat them. 
 

For as much talent as you think Westbrook has where are all their sought after recruits on the line of scrimmage where the games are won and lost at the 6A level? That Dickinson team you’re talking about is one of the best in the Houston area yearly in that regard and produces D1 recruits at those positions on the regular. The reason the ‘18 team can make it to the title game with less talent is because all those teams that beat them in the past play D1 now except Katy. 
 

If Stump is an overrated coach because he couldn’t compete for titles at WB then there are a bunch of overrated guys who’ve actually won titles because they didn’t compete for them at other stops in their careers.

[Austin1985]

13 hours ago, Cougar14.2 said:

That’s the issue, you’re pointing out a player like Ryan Grant who was a two star at Westbrook, busting his butt and getting to the league is on him later.  The handful of elite players he had in his time there versus the 10 FBs recruits he has on his roster at any given time at ‘Cita is obviously a game changer for any coach. Atascocita does not have better players than Allen and he went up there and beat them. 
 

For as much talent as you think Westbrook has where are all their sought after recruits on the line of scrimmage where the games are won and lost at the 6A level? That Dickinson team you’re talking about is one of the best in the Houston area yearly in that regard and produces D1 recruits at those positions on the regular. The reason the ‘18 team can make it to the title game with less talent is because all those teams that beat them in the past play D1 now except Katy. 
 

If Stump is an overrated coach because he couldn’t compete for titles at WB then there are a bunch of overrated guys who’ve actually won titles because they didn’t compete for them at other stops in their careers.

That last paragraph, I submit Todd Dodge as a prime example of not winning until getting to established programs.  SLC won before he got there.  He didn't win at North Texas nor his 1st and 2nd stops before he got to Westlake, who had an established program and tradition.

[Cougar14.2]

2 hours ago, Austin1985 said:

That last paragraph, I submit Todd Dodge as a prime example of not winning until getting to established programs.  SLC won before he got there.  He didn't win at North Texas nor his 1st and 2nd stops before he got to Westlake, who had an established program and tradition.

Dodge and Rhoades were specifically who I was thinking about when I said that. You can throw in the BH coaches too though. 

[Reagan]

8 hours ago, Austin1985 said:

That last paragraph, I submit Todd Dodge as a prime example of not winning until getting to established programs.  SLC won before he got there.  He didn't win at North Texas nor his 1st and 2nd stops before he got to Westlake, who had an established program and tradition.

Nick Saban and Lou Holtz didn’t win at the next level either.  So where they landed later and won they didn’t have anything to do with it?

 I think between N. Texas and Westlake, Dodge made one stop, Marble Falls.  He stayed there, what, 2 years?  Not enough time to say anything about his time there.  
Carthage never won a State Title before Surratt got there.  Aledo never won a State Title before Buchanan got there.  And there are more.  So, by what you are saying, these coaches really didn’t anything to do with it! 

[Austin1985]

13 hours ago, Reagan said:

Nick Saban and Lou Holtz didn’t win at the next level either.  So where they landed later and won they didn’t have anything to do with it?

 I think between N. Texas and Westlake, Dodge made one stop, Marble Falls.  He stayed there, what, 2 years?  Not enough time to say anything about his time there.  
Carthage never won a State Title before Surratt got there.  Aledo never won a State Title before Buchanan got there.  And there are more.  So, by what you are saying, these coaches really didn’t anything to do with it! 

No just Dodge.  When Saban and Holtz got to those respected programs, they were in a down turn.  Hell, I remember ND losing to the Navy 4 of the previous 5 years before Holtz got there.  Alabama, not as bad, wasn't doing Alabama things when Saban got there.  Dodge, though, latched on to establish programs who had recent success(in HS) before he showed up

[Peppermint Patty]

I've been around a ton of coaches and seen my teams get beat (unfortunately) by a ton of points. Stump is my least favorite coach ever. Not a fan.

[Yeoj]

On 10/31/2021 at 10:11 PM, Cougar14.2 said:

That’s the issue, you’re pointing out a player like Ryan Grant who was a two star at Westbrook, busting his butt and getting to the league is on him later.  The handful of elite players he had in his time there versus the 10 FBs recruits he has on his roster at any given time at ‘Cita is obviously a game changer for any coach. Atascocita does not have better players than Allen and he went up there and beat them. 
 

For as much talent as you think Westbrook has where are all their sought after recruits on the line of scrimmage where the games are won and lost at the 6A level? That Dickinson team you’re talking about is one of the best in the Houston area yearly in that regard and produces D1 recruits at those positions on the regular. The reason the ‘18 team can make it to the title game with less talent is because all those teams that beat them in the past play D1 now except Katy. 
 

If Stump is an overrated coach because he couldn’t compete for titles at WB then there are a bunch of overrated guys who’ve actually won titles because they didn’t compete for them at other stops in their careers.

You might want to do a little research on the West Brook teams Stump coached. It was far more than a hand full of elite players. Stump had some absolutely loaded teams.

That Dickinson team Stump lost to got blown out in the next round of the playoffs. They really weren't that good.

And Stump is overrated because he had the lion share of Beaumont's talent and couldn't even make the state game. Just like he gets most of the Humble talent and still hasn't made a state game appearance.

What has he accomplished as a football coach that would make him be considered better than average? Absolutely nothing!