Dayton - District Champs?

[Raider88]

That is what you said last time, remember this

Lumberton 8

Dayton    7

Quit living in denial and just get ready for next week.

[bullets13]

i don't favor dayton or lumberton, but i would have to say this is bushleague.  When something like this happens, you change the rules... for the next season.  To do so now is unfair to the broncos.  On top of that, the broncos are far and away the best team in the district, and i personally would like them to have the easiest start, as they are SETX's most legit chance to make a long playoff run in 4A.

[C4L]

Come playoff time, nobody gives a about who the District Champion is... it's all about *seeding* and THAT is settled by *head-to-head* competition... PN-G, Lumberton and Dayton are co champs... end of story.

Congratulations on making the playoffs AND being the #2 seed... IF the Geldings had taken care of business ON the field against Lumberton, you wouldn't be sitting here trying to figure out a way to avoid Texas City... of course, that would have potentially left the Geldings with a second round match up against (you know who).

Not in a three way tie. Two years ago, and I'm certain few considered Dayton to be a threat, the DISTRICT determined what to do in the event of a three-way tie. They ESTABLISHED the rules that without regard to who went to Div 1 or who represented Div 2, that the district champion would be DETERMINED by the point system - and 18 pts (differential) is the maximum number of points used per game. ACCORDING to DISTRICT RULES, Dayton is District Champion in determining playoffs - Lumberton is 2 and PNG is 3.

The RULES were changed because it SUITED the needs of ONE team. Now, oh wise one, and nothing personal, but do YOU think that changing the rules like that is the RIGHT THING TO DO?

[Raider88]

THANK YOU C4L!!!  ;D

[bullets13]

C4L, the only problem with your argument is that lumberton did not take care of business against PNG, resulting in a tri-championship, and yet they're the first seed because of a last second rule change.  Lumberton may deserve the 1st spot because they won against dayton, but that's not what the rules stated (until the last second change).  I have a feeling if the roles had been reversed and lumberton had been cheated out of the top spot at the last second, there would be five threads already about how lumberton got cheated, and you guys would be completely justified in being upset.  To be honest, had this happened, i'd probably be making the same argument to dayton fans that i'm making right now to you.  This is why you should not change rules in the middle of the season.  If you get screwed because of an old rule, you can't blame anything but a lack of forsight, and then change the rule for the next season.  If you get screwed by a rule change in the middle of a season, people get upset because it involves politics.

[Guest maverick24]

What a bunch of  babies!!!!! I know that u 2 crybabies where not at this meeting but u seam to know what was said. Look to win it all you have to beat them all. I do love the fact that yall think the Raidernation has so much pull that we can have the rules changed just so we can pick who we play. All I heard was how yall wished yall could play Crosby again well here it is!!! Raidernation does not care who we play our first goal was to get here, now Saturday we start getting ready for this Friday night. I can't believe yall would even try to say that Dayton deserves to be #1 any more than any one else. I can just imagine what yall would say to png fans if they were saying that they should be #1. Look 3 great teams beat the others at their home Field. Stop the crying most teams that are as good as yall are dont have to beg or cry for respect. NOW stop saying I Promise Coach would never let us lose to Lumberton again You dont know what the result would be any more than I do. I know last time was a WAR and RAIDERNATION won at home. Get real and start acting like champions. I think most of the crying is from NERDS that have never put on a pair of cleats.  Good Luck from Maverick to all the area teams.

[C4L]

Okay, this is for the *cheap seats*... Here's the deal... PN-G is the D-1 rep, got it?  Now, that leaves Lumberton and Dayton as the D-2 schools, got it?  Lumberton BEAT Dayton, so Lumberton is the #1 seed, got it?

Do I need to paint a picture?

Here's the bottom line, there ain't no *three way anything*... Deal with it!

C4L, the only problem with your argument is that lumberton did not take care of business against PNG, resulting in a tri-championship, and yet they're the first seed because of a last second rule change.  Lumberton may deserve the 1st spot because they won against dayton, but that's not what the rules stated (until the last second change).  I have a feeling if the roles had been reversed and lumberton had been cheated out of the top spot at the last second, there would be five threads already about how lumberton got cheated, and you guys would be completely justified in being upset.  To be honest, had this happened, i'd probably be making the same argument to dayton fans that i'm making right now to you.  This is why you should not change rules in the middle of the season.  If you get screwed because of an old rule, you can't blame anything but a lack of forsight, and then change the rule for the next season.  If you get screwed by a rule change in the middle of a season, people get upset because it involves politics.

[bullets13]

What a bunch of  babies!!!!! I know that u 2 crybabies where not at this meeting but u seam to know what was said. Look to win it all you have to beat them all. I do love the fact that yall think the Raidernation has so much pull that we can have the rules changed just so we can pick who we play. All I heard was how yall wished yall could play Crosby again well here it is!!! Raidernation does not care who we play our first goal was to get here, now Saturday we start getting ready for this Friday night. I can't believe yall would even try to say that Dayton deserves to be #1 any more than any one else. I can just imagine what yall would say to png fans if they were saying that they should be #1. Look 3 great teams beat the others at their home Field. Stop the crying most teams that are as good as yall are dont have to beg or cry for respect. NOW stop saying I Promise Coach would never let us lose to Lumberton again You dont know what the result would be any more than I do. I know last time was a WAR and RAIDERNATION won at home. Get real and start acting like champions. I think most of the crying is from NERDS that have never put on a pair of cleats.  Good Luck from Maverick to all the area teams.

Lumberton did not beat them all either.

From what i hear it was your administration who demanded a meeting for a rules change in the first place.

By the rules at the beginning of the season, Dayton does deserve to be #1.

I think most of the crying is probably from dayton fans and players who were very much affected by a questionable last-second rule change that made their road in the playoffs much more difficult.

Maverick, i know you're a diehard lumberton fan, and ya'll have a great team this year.  I don't really think any of the dayton fans are trying to take anything away from ya'll.  It's easy to say that it's no big deal when you're team gains a noticeable advantage by what happened.  I don't believe you can honestly say that lumberton fans would just turn their heads and ignore it if dayton had called a last second meeting and gotten the rules changed, and this had resulted in lumberton getting screwed.  It's important for dayton fans to remember that lumberton fans and players had nothing to do with this.  It's also important for lumberton fans to remember that the dayton fans love their team just as much as lumberton does, and noone likes to see their kids recieve an injustice at the hands of the district the week before playoffs start.  

[bullets13]

Okay, this is for the *cheap seats*... Here's the deal... PN-G is the D-1 rep, got it?  Now, that leaves Lumberton and Dayton as the D-2 schools, got it?  Lumberton BEAT Dayton, so Lumberton is the #1 seed, got it?

Do I need to paint a picture?

Here's the bottom line, there ain't no *three way anything*... Deal with it!

That wasn't the rule a week ago.  If dayton had squeaked by lumberton and had gotten a rule change to give them the first seed over lumberton at the last second, you'd be throwing a huge fit.  I completely agree with you that in this situation the heads-up winner should get the nod.  The problem is in changing the rules at the end of the season.  The district should've taken this into consideration during the offseason and made the changes for next year.  Whether a rule is right or not, it's there for a reason, and you can't go changing them on a whim everytime someone feels like they're getting the short end. 

[C4L]

Dude/dudette... please, pay attention.  Did you not notice my avatar?

Do you really think that I give a  about who has the #1 seed in 22-4A?

The only reason I became involved in this thread was due to the misinformation that’s being posted as well as the incessant whining of those who follow the Geldings.

Wanna know the real deal?  Dayton is nothing more than a semi-big fish in a relatively small pond.

[BadMedicine]

A hypothetical questions.

What if Ozen was the district champs and the D1 representative and Dayton, PNG, & Lumberton were all tied at 5-2 with the same scores among them.  Who would be second place and who would be third place?

[Guest whoabroncos09]

What a bunch of  babies!!!!! I know that u 2 crybabies where not at this meeting but u seam to know what was said. Look to win it all you have to beat them all. I do love the fact that yall think the Raidernation has so much pull that we can have the rules changed just so we can pick who we play. All I heard was how yall wished yall could play Crosby again well here it is!!! Raidernation does not care who we play our first goal was to get here, now Saturday we start getting ready for this Friday night. I can't believe yall would even try to say that Dayton deserves to be #1 any more than any one else. I can just imagine what yall would say to png fans if they were saying that they should be #1. Look 3 great teams beat the others at their home Field. Stop the crying most teams that are as good as yall are dont have to beg or cry for respect. NOW stop saying I Promise Coach would never let us lose to Lumberton again You dont know what the result would be any more than I do. I know last time was a WAR and RAIDERNATION won at home. Get real and start acting like champions. I think most of the crying is from NERDS that have never put on a pair of cleats.  Good Luck from Maverick to all the area teams.

THA PEOPLE WHO ARE 'CRYING' ARE JUST PEOPLE MAD ABOUT THE RULE CHANGE THAT HAPPENED YESTERDAY.

NOT NERDS THAT HAVENT PUT ON A PAIR OF CLEATS.

[knightrider]

ok, ok already. lets quit all this whining. we're 22-4a and we all need to take care of business. pn-g, get your running back ready, congratulations to the raiders for making the play-offs, and to my broncos to keep up the great job yall have done  and let all of us retire 21-4a back to the hoop courts. we all have dang good teams and can show it on the field friday night. lets all just pull for one another here and take care of business. good luck to all 22-4a teams.  go broncos ;D

[Guest maverick24]

Look CRYBABIES give it up. I tell you what I would like one of yall to show me any proof that any of these so called claims you are making is true. Look it was said 2 weeks ago that in a 3 way tie png would go D1 because of enrollment then Raidernation would be seed 2 because of a head to head win. Look if yall are scared to play Crosby don't play. I Think yall will beat them easy, I think any of the 22-4a teams would. Trust it to be true when I tell you Raidernation was just working on getting in we had no time to call meetings to try to change who we would play. Yall just made a story up to try to hide the fact that yall don't want to play the team you play! Just strap it on and go win. When I said to win it all you have to beat them all I mean the PLAYOFFS I have not seen one png or Raidernation fan saying that they thought they should be the #1 team. WE understand we are TRI Champs by UIL Rule. Then seedings for D2 are decided by head to head! How hard is this to get. Stop the CRYING and go play Hard Nose Smash Mouth Football and win for 22-4a  I really think the Dayton team is better than all this crying. Your coach understood how things worked HE DIDNT CRY!!!!

[Guest whoabroncos09]

Look CRYBABIES give it up. I tell you what I would like one of yall to show me any proof that any of these so called claims you are making is true. Look it was said 2 weeks ago that in a 3 way tie png would go D1 because of enrollment then Raidernation would be seed 2 because of a head to head win. Look if yall are scared to play Crosby don't play. I Think yall will beat them easy, I think any of the 22-4a teams would. Trust it to be true when I tell you Raidernation was just working on getting in we had no time to call meetings to try to change who we would play. Yall just made a story up to try to hide the fact that yall don't want to play the team you play! Just strap it on and go win. When I said to win it all you have to beat them all I mean the PLAYOFFS I have not seen one png or Raidernation fan saying that they thought they should be the #1 team. WE understand we are TRI Champs by UIL Rule. Then seedings for D2 are decided by head to head! How hard is this to get. Stop the CRYING and go play Hard Nose Smash Mouth Football and win for 22-4a  I really think the Dayton team is better than all this crying. Your coach understood how things worked HE DIDNT CRY!!!!

we are not scared of crosby...

we love playing crosby...

when we play them our WHOLE school gets ready to beat them!!

we will win!

[PURPLE 4EVER]

Typical for Lumberton...

Change the rules to make you look better.

The fact remains...

According to THE RULES...

The seeding should be....

#1 Dayton -1 +18 = +17

#2 Lumberton +1 - 7 = -7

#3 PNG +7 - 18 = -11

I thought it was a max of 16 points but it is a max of 18 points.

This ranking puts Lumberton where they belong...

Looking up to Dayton.

The raiders are just lucky they didn't play Dayton at the end of the season.

Ask PN-G and Nederland what would have happened to them.

That being said...

22-4A, we need to get ready to sweep the 21-4A out of the playoffs.

[knightrider]

we are not scared of crosby...

we love playing crosby...

when we play them our WHOLE school gets ready to beat them!!

we will win!

sorta like the rivalary the cowboys and the redskins have. i love it. wouldn't be a complete season unless we played crosby lol  :D

[ladyraider123]

you can spin it anyway you like but the history book will always show a "tri' champion in 22-4A in 2007. You guys should have taken care of business against Lumberton if you wanted it all to yourselves. Im still shocked that the Raiders beat you guys 8-7. Still unbelievable.

Thank you Png Guy but why is it such a shock? ha. Now This dayton guy...If you wanted to be top seed then you should have beat us. There is no whinning comming from lumberton were a classy team and im pretty sure we are thankful and greatful to be in the position were in(making it to the playoffs) this is all these guys have ever wanted and not they have it. It really doesnt matter who we play rather its crosby or smiley, WE MADE HISTORY ANYWAYS.

Were Tri-champs oh well. All three of us deserve it.

[PURPLE 4EVER]

Look CRYBABIES give it up. I tell you what I would like one of yall to show me any proof that any of these so called claims you are making is true. Look it was said 2 weeks ago that in a 3 way tie png would go D1 because of enrollment then Raidernation would be seed 2 because of a head to head win. Look if yall are scared to play Crosby don't play. I Think yall will beat them easy, I think any of the 22-4a teams would. Trust it to be true when I tell you Raidernation was just working on getting in we had no time to call meetings to try to change who we would play. Yall just made a story up to try to hide the fact that yall don't want to play the team you play! Just strap it on and go win. When I said to win it all you have to beat them all I mean the PLAYOFFS I have not seen one png or Raidernation fan saying that they thought they should be the #1 team. WE understand we are TRI Champs by UIL Rule. Then seedings for D2 are decided by head to head! How hard is this to get. Stop the CRYING and go play Hard Nose Smash Mouth Football and win for 22-4a  I really think the Dayton team is better than all this crying. Your coach understood how things worked HE DIDNT CRY!!!!

Scared to play Crosby...

Dayton would crush Crosby or Smiley.

What is at issue here is that Lumberton

CHANGED THE RULES to make them the #1 seed.

To me that just puts a big tarnish spot on what the kids at Lumberton achieved.

You don't change the rules at the end to make it favor you.

I guess Lumberton doesn't know that or has absolutely an IQ of zero when it comes to abiding by the rules.

I hope when Dayton plays Lumberton in basketball Lumberton doesn't change the rules in the middle of the game, I wouldn't put it past them seeing what they just did.

[ladyraider123]

That's not the point. It's the way this district acts - all for one and one for all, except Dayton - the outsider.

As was explained, the district rules are established by the district's athletic directors when the district is established by the UIL - February. District 22-4A voted and agreed to establish playoff rules and by those rules, a "points" system was installed to determine district champ - not head to head.

The point is that LUMBERTON, AFTER a meeting on Thursday where the district athletic directors agreed that rules are rules and that's what they would go by, CRIED like babies. The result was they gathered all the superintendants around the district (wonder how much any of these people really know about football) and it was agreed to have a vote to maintain or OVERTURN the RULES.

Well, guess the heck what? Dayton and Lumberton could not vote, but the vote went 4-1 to CHANGE the RULES and let Lumberton play Smiley instead of Crosby. So the district champion is playing the district champion in Crosby Friday night. And it's all because LUMBERTON's powers that be, cried like babies.

Oh, Vidor was the lone vote to KEEP the RULES. The four other supers ( I guess one abstained) voted to change the rules at 2:30 p.m. today, Friday, Nov. 9.

For Lumberton, I hope they do exceptionally well. I REALLY hope we get to see each other again. I'll let the PNG fans answer this one. "Just how pretty is it going to be?"

Yall just cant hand it to us can yall. We do something good and yall find a way around it, why cant u just say good job on making history lumberton, Im not gonna drop to yall's level and find something bad to say about dayton && PNG , come on we all derseve it who cares if you didnt get if all to yourselves for once. Face it, it happens.

Go raidernation!

choo choo

[bullets13]

Yall just cant hand it to us can yall. We do something good and yall find a way around it, why cant u just say good job on making history lumberton, Im not gonna drop to yall's level and find something bad to say about dayton && PNG , come on we all derseve it who cares if you didnt get if all to yourselves for once. Face it, it happens.

Go raidernation!

choo choo

nobody is taking away from what ya'll did in district, but if ya'll keep coming with the whole "we finally made playoffs so we deserve to have rules changed for us" attitude, then people are going to stop being happy for ya'll and start rooting against ya'll.  Remember the beginning of the season when some of the lumberton fans talked so much crap that virtually everyone else in the area was hoping you guys would lose?  ya'll are heading down that path again.  you guys may not care too much, but when it comes to the playoffs, the only greater thing than having your whole school behind you is having the whole area behind you.  a few of you are working really hard to kill off the respect that many of us have developed for your school and your fans over the past several weeks. dayton got screwed here.  you can put it off as crying or being sore losers, but that's just not the case.  the thing that nobody from lumberton will admit is if the same thing had just happened to ya'll, there would already have been five threads on here about it, and i have a feeling maverick would be the biggest "crybaby" of them all .  And i would agree with you if that happened.  This whole thing is out of our hands, though.  Nothing dayton fans can say will change it back, and nothing lumberton fans can say will make it fair.  I do believe that most of the people on here have been giving lumberton the due credit that they've earned.  It'd be nice for some of the lumberton fans who've been posting on this thread to acknowledge the fact that, whether or not they agree with the old rule, it was very unfair to change it at this point of the season.

[Guest maverick24]

Scared to play Crosby...

Dayton would crush Crosby or Smiley.

What is at issue here is that Lumberton

CHANGED THE RULES to make them the #1 seed.

To me that just puts a big tarnish spot on what the kids at Lumberton achieved.

You don't change the rules at the end to make it favor you.

I guess Lumberton doesn't know that or has absolutely an IQ of zero when it comes to abiding by the rules.

I hope when Dayton plays Lumberton in basketball Lumberton doesn't change the rules in the middle of the game, I wouldn't put it past them seeing what they just did.

HEY PURPLE CRYBABY  Why do u still say this,  I heard just now when I was at THE WHITE HOUSE that Dayton wanted things changed because they thought they would draw more than 50 people to the game if it was Crosby. See how it goes!!!!! You have no proof except a bunch of Babies crying that any of the things you say happened. SHOW me some proof or Stand Down!!!! Yall act Like Lumberton controls District rules if that was the case we would have made Raidernation SOLE DISTRICT CJHAMPS. You even claimed in your own Lie that Dayton nor Lumberton voted on this but 4 other schools voted to change some rules, that right there tells you that we did not change anything if we didnt vote.  Just Man up and play yall are really making your team and fans look bad by crying like this.

MAVERICK is not capable of crying!!!!! LOL

[PURPLE 4EVER]

"HEY PURPLE CRYBABY  Why do u still say this,  I heard just now when I was at THE WHITE HOUSE that Dayton wanted things changed because they thought they would draw more than 50 people to the game if it was Crosby. See how it goes!!!!! You have no proof except a bunch of Babies crying that any of the things you say happened. SHOW me some proof or Stand Down!!!! Yall act Like Lumberton controls District rules if that was the case we would have made Raidernation SOLE DISTRICT CJHAMPS. You even claimed in your own Lie that Dayton nor Lumberton voted on this but 4 other schools voted to change some rules, that right there tells you that we did not change anything if we didnt vote.  Just Man up and play yall are really making your team and fans look bad by crying like this.

MAVERICK is not capable of crying!!!!! LOL"

The vote WOULD NOT have taken place unless Lumberton didn't push the issue.

This one fact is now clear.

[geauxbroncos]

from the UIL WEBSITE

look it up yourself if you want.

http://www.uil.utexas.edu/policy/constitution/07_08subE.pdf

Section 28: DISTRICT EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE

(i) RESPONSIBILITIES. In addition to those responsibilities found elsewhere in the UIL Constitution and

Contest Rules for a district executive committee, it shall have the following responsibilities:

......

(5) Notification of Appeals. The district executive committee shall make appeals in writing to the Chair of

the State Executive Committee, through the UIL Director.

(6) Determination of Tie Breaker Process. The district executive committee shall determine in writing

prior to a contest’s season the method to determine the district representatives in the event two or

more schools are tied in win-loss percentages.

This clearly states that the rules for tiebreaker are to be set up before the beginning of the contest's season.  NOT in a 2:30 meeting on the day of the last game.  

No one from Dayton wants to take ANYTHING away from Lumberton.  The manner in which the rules were changed is what is is wrong.  We have no beef with playing whoever is set out in front of us that was NEVER the issue.  No one is crying about playing Crosby.  We are ticked about the way the rules are interpreted by the DEC

One more thing....

ALL YOU FOLKS WHO SAY HEAD TO HEAD determines the outcome of the seeding answer this question.  Last year in basketball Dayton and Central had the SAME record at the end of the year.  However DAYTON had beaten Central 2 times in head to head competition.  But, the 22-AAAA executive committee decided that a coin flip was necessary to determine the seeding for the teams.  NOT HEAD TO HEAD.  Why is it that when the head to head competition worked in favor of a Dayton team that head to head did not matter, but when head to head worked against a Dayton team head to head results mattered??  I know that they are different sports but the scenario was the same.

[JS]

This meeting DID take place--I know for a fact.

1. Lumberton's share of the title is now tainted-like Barry Bonds

2. Crosby is the one who should be complaining after all they will now have to play the better team.