oldschool2 Posted March 21, 2022 Report Share Posted March 21, 2022 11 minutes ago, JaspD55 said: Powers to be , need to get off their butts and hire an Elite Coach, and then they will be held in the same regards as Carthage, WOS, Gilmer and such. At least thats what Ive heard on here. 100% correct. The quality/number of players has no bearing on success. All you have to do is hire a coach that's won state titles before. Do that.. and then watch the deep runs start rolling in. RETIREDFAN1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mrtomcat Posted March 21, 2022 Report Share Posted March 21, 2022 2 hours ago, JaspD55 said: Powers to be , need to get off their butts and hire an Elite Coach, and then they will be held in the same regards as Carthage, WOS, Gilmer and such. At least thats what Ive heard on here. I'm not sure you can put elite and tarkington in the same category for anything to be quite honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
89Falcon Posted March 21, 2022 Report Share Posted March 21, 2022 4 hours ago, oldschool2 said: 100% correct. The quality/number of players has no bearing on success. All you have to do is hire a coach that's won state titles before. Do that.. and then watch the deep runs start rolling in. Bill Belichick could not go .500 at Tarkington. RETIREDFAN1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mrtomcat Posted March 21, 2022 Report Share Posted March 21, 2022 10 minutes ago, 89Falcon said: Bill Belichick could not go .500 at Tarkington. Big facts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reagan Posted March 21, 2022 Report Share Posted March 21, 2022 1 hour ago, 89Falcon said: Bill Belichick could not go .500 at Tarkington. What in his past would make you think he eventually couldn’t? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Separation Scientist Posted March 22, 2022 Report Share Posted March 22, 2022 Belichick absolutely could go .500 at Tarkington. All they have to be is "less bad". As I said before, it would not take much to place in the middle of that 3A district. Its a low bar to hurdle. Now if you put them in District 11, with Lorena, Franklin, Cameron Yoe, they don't even score a point! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scat_trap Posted March 22, 2022 Report Share Posted March 22, 2022 What about Chip Keel getting a chance? He's tied to the area and could actually bring some stability to the position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kegger Posted March 22, 2022 Report Share Posted March 22, 2022 33 minutes ago, scat_trap said: What about Chip Keel getting a chance? He's tied to the area and could actually bring some stability to the position. That would be a very good hire for Tarkington. Would he want it with it possibly being split? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scat_trap Posted March 22, 2022 Report Share Posted March 22, 2022 3 minutes ago, Kegger said: That would be a very good hire for Tarkington. Would he want it with it possibly being split? That's a good question. I'm hoping someone that makes decisions there actually reads this board and gives it some thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mrtomcat Posted March 22, 2022 Report Share Posted March 22, 2022 55 minutes ago, scat_trap said: That's a good question. I'm hoping someone that makes decisions there actually reads this board and gives it some thought. 19 hours ago, 89Falcon said: Bill Belichick could not go .500 at Tarkington. What about Harry Laynes? He's 70, coached football all over southeast texas and could easily get tarkington to a record best 5-5 type season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Separation Scientist Posted March 22, 2022 Report Share Posted March 22, 2022 Tark needs a coach like Vidor's Matthews. Someone who can win without a ton of athleticism, who can motivate the kids, and get larger numbers to get excited and come out. Its not as hopeless as it might seem. They were winning some a few years ago. Get the right coach + newly motivated kids and things will turn around. Get them off the deer lease and into helmets and pads! Kill Bambi later! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scat_trap Posted March 22, 2022 Report Share Posted March 22, 2022 8 minutes ago, Separation Scientist said: Tark needs a coach like Vidor's Matthews. Someone who can win without a ton of athleticism, who can motivate the kids, and get larger numbers to get excited and come out. Its not as hopeless as it might seem. They were winning some a few years ago. Get the right coach + newly motivated kids and things will turn around. Get them off the deer lease and into helmets and pads! Kill Bambi later! You must be from Tarkington. Tarkington does not have the athletes in house that they did "a few years ago". In fact, I don't think they've ever had that in their existence except for that stretch in the year they beat Mexia in the 1st round of the playoffs. What you're talking about creating there isn't going to happen until the community quits making excuses and helps to push their kids to be better. I've been around Tarkington off and on since the mid 90s and there hasn't been a swinging Richard in charge there that has gotten the kids off the deer lease consistent enough to win. Look at what John Snelson has done since he left Tarkington. I VIVDLY remember people from t-town calling him a really bad coach, say that he was way in over his head, and couldn't relate to the kids there. The best thing I can see them doing is to bring in an older guy that's on the fringe of retirement and let him stick it out to allow the kids there to see some stability and once he retires move on from there. I know it won't happen though because that would mean the people making decisions would have to look at what's best for ALL the kids; not just their little Johnnys and Sallys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool2 Posted March 22, 2022 Report Share Posted March 22, 2022 21 hours ago, 89Falcon said: Bill Belichick could not go .500 at Tarkington. Depends on the schedule. RETIREDFAN1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagles12 Posted March 22, 2022 Report Share Posted March 22, 2022 On 3/17/2022 at 2:31 PM, Kegger said: I do believe Mark would be the favorite. If he’s interested is a different story. Did he ever go after the job in the previous years it was open? Gonna be a late start for whoever they bring in. Not sure, know he has kept busy building a track juggernaut at New Caney Porter though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Separation Scientist Posted March 22, 2022 Report Share Posted March 22, 2022 23 minutes ago, scat_trap said: You must be from Tarkington. Tarkington does not have the athletes in house that they did "a few years ago". In fact, I don't think they've ever had that in their existence except for that stretch in the year they beat Mexia in the 1st round of the playoffs. What you're talking about creating there isn't going to happen until the community quits making excuses and helps to push their kids to be better. I've been around Tarkington off and on since the mid 90s and there hasn't been a swinging Richard in charge there that has gotten the kids off the deer lease consistent enough to win. Look at what John Snelson has done since he left Tarkington. I VIVDLY remember people from t-town calling him a really bad coach, say that he was way in over his head, and couldn't relate to the kids there. The best thing I can see them doing is to bring in an older guy that's on the fringe of retirement and let him stick it out to allow the kids there to see some stability and once he retires move on from there. I know it won't happen though because that would mean the people making decisions would have to look at what's best for ALL the kids; not just their little Johnnys and Sallys. I am not from Tarkington. I live in Mont Belvieu. As I said above, I have some friends there who has kids. He has a son that did not play. What I see is a lack of interest, thats why I say get em' off the deer lease and into pads. You are right, it will take their community to light a fire under their sons. A Rah-Rah coach that's committed to stay and MOTIVATES is the first step. Think the late Jeff Walker at Liberty Hill. He had those LH kids ready to run through a brick wall for him at a moments notice. I am not saying Tark will win state of course. I do think they could be better than 0.500 and win a playoff game or two sometimes. Again, that weak district they have should be easy to win in with any real improvement from Tark. Reagan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool2 Posted March 22, 2022 Report Share Posted March 22, 2022 58 minutes ago, Separation Scientist said: I am not from Tarkington. I live in Mont Belvieu. As I said above, I have some friends there who has kids. He has a son that did not play. What I see is a lack of interest, thats why I say get em' off the deer lease and into pads. You are right, it will take their community to light a fire under their sons. A Rah-Rah coach that's committed to stay and MOTIVATES is the first step. Think the late Jeff Walker at Liberty Hill. He had those LH kids ready to run through a brick wall for him at a moments notice. I am not saying Tark will win state of course. I do think they could be better than 0.500 and win a playoff game or two sometimes. Again, that weak district they have should be easy to win in with any real improvement from Tark. 300 unathletic kids can't beat 15 good athletes. Not on the football field. bullets13, Mr. Buddy Garrity and scat_trap 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scat_trap Posted March 22, 2022 Report Share Posted March 22, 2022 58 minutes ago, Separation Scientist said: I am not from Tarkington. I live in Mont Belvieu. As I said above, I have some friends there who has kids. He has a son that did not play. What I see is a lack of interest, thats why I say get em' off the deer lease and into pads. You are right, it will take their community to light a fire under their sons. A Rah-Rah coach that's committed to stay and MOTIVATES is the first step. Think the late Jeff Walker at Liberty Hill. He had those LH kids ready to run through a brick wall for him at a moments notice. I am not saying Tark will win state of course. I do think they could be better than 0.500 and win a playoff game or two sometimes. Again, that weak district they have should be easy to win in with any real improvement from Tark. Did you really compare LH and Tarkington? I've seen both in person and they're 2 totally different animals. T-Town had a "Rah-Rah" guy recently and he's not there anymore. Typically those guys last for a couple of years. I'll leave it at this, but unless the admin and community chooses to ride and stick with a guy they're always going to be an endless, revolving door. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Separation Scientist Posted March 22, 2022 Report Share Posted March 22, 2022 9 minutes ago, oldschool2 said: 300 unathletic kids can't beat 15 good athletes. Not on the football field. What should they do then? Just give up and shut the program down? In that district not every team has 15 great athletes, BTW. Think about that. Tark could notch some wins if things come together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Separation Scientist Posted March 22, 2022 Report Share Posted March 22, 2022 10 minutes ago, scat_trap said: Did you really compare LH and Tarkington? No, I was referencing a type of coach. I'll leave it at that too. Just trying to make a suggestion, not looking to argue, that's all. Good luck Tark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool2 Posted March 22, 2022 Report Share Posted March 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Separation Scientist said: What should they do then? Just give up and shut the program down? In that district not every team has 15 great athletes, BTW. Think about that. Tark could notch some wins if things come together. Of course not. What needs to happen is to hire the best fit for the program as the hiring committee sees fit.. but then have realistic expectations and not give the guy a reason to leave after a year or two. Someone that will be excited about raising participation and having the players actually see benefit of bettering themselves. A culture change in the program can definitely make the kids at least think about going to the weight room instead of the deer stand. But even with a change in culture and attitude be realistic about what you're wanting.. especially compared to years past. Invest money into the coaching staff, facilities, and kids as a show of faith. Is it probable to do all of that and then beat schools with decades of that exact tradition that you'll strive to have? Maybe not.. but a true change couples with some strategic scheduling can definitely lead to some 4/5/6 or more win seasons. Maybe not every year but at least competitive in some of the losses. Success breeds success so take little wins in terms of change. It's going to take time.. And please, please, for God's sake.. stick with a coach for more than a season or two. Even if it costs a little money.. make it a goal for your 7th graders to graduate under the same leadership. Consistency is vital. Even during a rebuilding year.. just freakin suck it up and go with your choice. As long as he keeps the mentality he started with and stays excited with the process... then don't let a losing season be the reason to run them off. Unfortunately.. Tarkington has always been a, "my first head job" type place and people move on to greener pastures. But who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reagan Posted March 22, 2022 Report Share Posted March 22, 2022 6 hours ago, scat_trap said: Did you really compare LH and Tarkington? I've seen both in person and they're 2 totally different animals. T-Town had a "Rah-Rah" guy recently and he's not there anymore. Typically those guys last for a couple of years. I'll leave it at this, but unless the admin and community chooses to ride and stick with a guy they're always going to be an endless, revolving door. At one time, yes, Liberty Hill could have been compared to Tarkington: 1913 1-1-0 xxx-xxx1914 1-2-1 xxx-xxx1915 0-2-0 xxx-xxx DISCONTINUED ??1921 0-6-0 xxx-xxx1922 CANCELLED1923 CANCELLED1924 0-7-0 xxx-xxx R.E.L. (Farmer) Jones1925 1-8-0 43-2371926 1-4-2 xxx-xxx1927 1928 0-4-0 xxx-xxx1929 0-6-0 xxx-xxx Leroy Barron1930 2-4-1 xxx-xxx Francis H. Czarowitz1931 3-3-2 xxx-xxx Gatewood Newberry1932 1-4-1 xxx-xxx Lee C. Lemburg1933 2-5-1 xxx-xxx Victor Foerster1934 1-4-0 18- 83 Neal Randolph1935 0-3-0 xxx-xxx1936 1-2-0 xxx-xxx1937 2-4-0 xxx-xxx1938 0-5-1 xxx-xxx1939 1-8-1 15-1831940 1-8-0 15-2001941 3-5-2 66-175 Norman Breed1942 0-2-1 xxx-xxx1943 CANCELLED – WW II1944 0-3-1 12- 991945 0-6-0 xxx-xxx 1946 1-6-0 xxx-xxx1947 3-5-0 xxx-xxx Fred Looke1948 0-7-1 26-221 Fred Looke1949 1-7-0 26-230 R.Z. Moore1950 2-7-0 44-151 R.Z. Moore1951 3-5-1 51-126 R.Z. Moore1952 3-7-0 129-195 R.Z. Moore1953 2-6-0 82-254 James Galbreath1954 3-7-0 153-150 James Galbreath1955 2-8-0 54-271 Charles Rumley1956 4-6-0 138-208 Leslie Smith SIX-MAN LEAGUE1960 0-9-0 14-337 Douglas Miller1961 1-8-0 42-281 Douglas Miller1962 2-7-1 82-265 Douglas Miller1963 0-10-0 26-378 Bill Gilley1964 3-6-0 98-268 Bill Gilley1965 1-9-0 45-339 Jimmie Campbell1966 1-9-0 56-368 Arlen Leeder1967 2-7-1 102-184 Charles C. Larrison, Jr.1968 6-3-0 155-102 Charles C. Larrison, Jr. DISCONTINUED1976 3-7-0 61-339 Daryl Moffitt1977 3-7-0 97-288 Daryl Moffitt1978 5-5-0 165-173 Charlie Braun1979 4-6-0 133-151 Charlie Braun1980 5-4-1 200-139 Charlie Braun1981 5-5-0 158-106 Charlie Braun1982 4-6-0 130-177 Charlie Braun1983 6-3-1 168-134 Charlie Braun1984 R-- 10-2-1 404-119 Charlie Braun1985 7-2-1 219-114 Charlie Braun1986 4-6-0 129-180 Charlie Braun1987 C 6-4-1 188-152 Charlie Braun1988 6-4-0 218-152 Charlie Braun1989 R 7-4-0 214-218 Charlie Braun1990 4-6-0 203-258 Wade Johnston1991 4-6-0 189-188 Wade Johnston1992 CO 6-5-0 235-169 Wade Johnston1993 3-6-1 161-184 Mark Cox1994 6-4-0 219-132 Mark Cox1995 2-8-0 125-312 Mark Cox1996 4-6-0 165-201 Mark Cox1997 7-3-0 231-134 Mark Cox1998 1-9-0 72-321 Mark Cox1999 3-7-0 174-296 Hal Wasson2000 3-7-0 168-308 Hal Wasson Then the "right" coach was hired. 2001 5-5-0 149-226 Jerry Vance2002 R-- 10-2-0 359-195 Jerry Vance2003 R-- 11-2-0 468-219 Jerry Vance2004 CO 12-3-0 697-309 Jerry Vance2005 R 10-3-0 614-367 Jerry Vance2006 C-- 13-2-0 627-413 Jerry Vance2007 C-- 14-0-0 643-197 Jerry Vance Is something like this guaranteed? Absolutely not! Because there aren't that many elite coaches out there. Schools are just lucky when they can get one. So, will it ever happen at Tarkington? In our lifetime? Probably not. But does this mean they stop trying?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Buddy Garrity Posted March 22, 2022 Report Share Posted March 22, 2022 Where's 2008 thru 2021 at? Would like to see the rest of the records. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reagan Posted March 22, 2022 Report Share Posted March 22, 2022 9 minutes ago, Mr. Buddy Garrity said: Where's 2008 thru 2021 at? Would like to see the rest of the records. Here ya go! 2008 C-- 14-1-0 588-255 Jerry Vance2009 4-5-0 220-185 Jerry Vance2010 C 8-3-0 284-202 Jerry Vance2011 R 8-4-0 332-191 Jerry Vance2012 6-4-0 423-279 Jerry Vance2013 C-- 10-2-0 383-208 Jerry Vance2014 C-- 12-3-0 503-410 Jerry Vance2015 C-- 10-3-0 448-196 Jerry Vance2016 TH 8-4-0 338-297 Jerry Vance2017 R-- 10-3-0 569-408 Jeff Walker2018 C-- 13-2-0 790-345 Jeff Walker2019 TH 7-6-0 466-300 Jeff Walker2020 C-- 12-1-0 682-216 Jeff Walker/Kent Walker2021 C-- 13-3-0 700-240 Kent Walker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Icon Posted March 22, 2022 Report Share Posted March 22, 2022 As stated previously, someone local or with local ties is more likely to stick it out long term to create said consistency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
navydawg31 Posted March 23, 2022 Report Share Posted March 23, 2022 I haven’t drove/been in the area in a while but was told don’t be surprised if takington blows up fast like Cleveland did. Is this true? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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