RidinTheRange Posted April 8, 2022 Report Posted April 8, 2022 Is this about Tarkington? Does anyone know where they are at in the process? Quote
Reagan Posted April 8, 2022 Report Posted April 8, 2022 18 hours ago, BEARCPA said: A quick search of 247's recruiting database will tell you that at least 50 players went D-1 while Westerberg was at Allen, but shows only one guy going D-1 while he was at BH. Real shame he forgot how to develop talent when he moved to Mont Belvieu. Again, thanks for the info. Would you mind posting the link to this info so we can see who these people were? And I'm sure we would like to also look at other past recruits at different schools. Thanks! Quote
Reagan Posted April 8, 2022 Report Posted April 8, 2022 55 minutes ago, oldschool2 said: You're actually proving my point... that because of fluctuating talent in every opponent (even one's own school), due to graduations, injuries, etc. can and will impact the results of a season. How many coaches out there could have had a state championship if not for losing kids for whatever reason and/or reclassification? Or visa versa. Tell the guy I'm arguing with that there are other factors at play.. other than who the coach is. A quick note: My friend, no one is "arguing" here. We are having a debate pitting your opinions against my opinions as with the rest of us here. As I've said before, it's nothing personal. Separation Scientist 1 Quote
SherriffReesie Posted April 8, 2022 Report Posted April 8, 2022 44 minutes ago, RidinTheRange said: Is this about Tarkington? Does anyone know where they are at in the process? The job just got posted earlier this week so the process is just in the beginning. The posting is for AD and HFC but in the posting it says that they reserve the right to hire those positions separately. So they are very early in the process and don't know if they wanna separate it or not. The new sup just started so I imagine she will have somebody she will want to bring but she is from the Dallas area and not sure anybody will want to follow her down here. That is about all I know. Separation Scientist 1 Quote
oldschool2 Posted April 8, 2022 Report Posted April 8, 2022 38 minutes ago, Reagan said: A quick note: My friend, no one is "arguing" here. We are having a debate pitting your opinions against my opinions as with the rest of us here. As I've said before, it's nothing personal. Now we're going to discuss the differences between debating and arguing? Unbelievable.. By the way, I can assure you that I'm not taking anything personal. I'm not the one using exclamation points in my posts.. as if your emotion will make your point stronger. It won't. You should be happy.. I've long since become bored with this debate/argument (whatever you wanna call it). You think that a coach is only elite because of championships. I don't. You think an elite coach (according to your definition) can win anywhere and with anyone. I don't. Signing out of this circus. PlayActionPass, RETIREDFAN1, bullets13 and 3 others 4 1 1 Quote
BEARCPA Posted April 8, 2022 Report Posted April 8, 2022 2 hours ago, Reagan said: Again, thanks for the info. Would you mind posting the link to this info so we can see who these people were? And I'm sure we would like to also look at other past recruits at different schools. Thanks! This is the hidden content, please Sign In or Sign Up Reagan 1 Quote
pedrocerrano Posted April 8, 2022 Report Posted April 8, 2022 On 4/4/2022 at 11:44 AM, Reagan said: Well, I went back to every page to see if you posted something concerning this subject. Guess what? No postings. So, got to wonder why all of a sudden you are concerned about it. Anyway, if you had been paying attention, there is a correlation about Briles and Tarkington. It may take a few side roads but so what? Point started off being that Stephenville was very much in the same boat as Tarkington. I even posted Stephenville's records before Briles got there. Point being -- it took the right coach to come in and right the ship. I believe it took him 6 years to implement his program which resulted in 4 State Titles. And BTW -- during those Title runs he was 63-1. Impressive in anyone's book. Tarkington will need someone dedicated to staying there and implementing a program that reaches all the way down to the junior high level. And just as Brownwood was the big dog in Stephenville's district, that eventually fell to Stephenville, it appears that East Chambers is the big dog here. This would be the goal to topple East Chambers. But, can just any coach do it? No. But, as with any hire -- you never know if you got the "right" coach or not! holy smokes man, i was just commenting on the length of the discussion, not the actual topic Quote
Matthew328 Posted April 8, 2022 Report Posted April 8, 2022 11 minutes ago, BEARCPA said: This is the hidden content, please Sign In or Sign Up Here's what I could research for Allen on their 2012-2014 rosters during the 3-peat...as you can see a TON of talent Allen Class of 2013 This is the hidden content, please Sign In or Sign Up This is the hidden content, please Sign In or Sign Up This is the hidden content, please Sign In or Sign Up This is the hidden content, please Sign In or Sign Up This is the hidden content, please Sign In or Sign Up This is the hidden content, please Sign In or Sign Up Allen Class of 2014 This is the hidden content, please Sign In or Sign Up This is the hidden content, please Sign In or Sign Up This is the hidden content, please Sign In or Sign Up This is the hidden content, please Sign In or Sign Up This is the hidden content, please Sign In or Sign Up This is the hidden content, please Sign In or Sign Up Allen Class of 2015 This is the hidden content, please Sign In or Sign Up This is the hidden content, please Sign In or Sign Up This is the hidden content, please Sign In or Sign Up This is the hidden content, please Sign In or Sign Up Allen Class of 2016 This is the hidden content, please Sign In or Sign Up This is the hidden content, please Sign In or Sign Up This is the hidden content, please Sign In or Sign Up This is the hidden content, please Sign In or Sign Up This is the hidden content, please Sign In or Sign Up This is the hidden content, please Sign In or Sign Up This is the hidden content, please Sign In or Sign Up Allen Class of 2017 This is the hidden content, please Sign In or Sign Up This is the hidden content, please Sign In or Sign Up Reagan 1 Quote
Matthew328 Posted April 8, 2022 Report Posted April 8, 2022 Just in that time alone SEVEN NFL guys came through Quote
Separation Scientist Posted April 9, 2022 Report Posted April 9, 2022 On 4/6/2022 at 8:28 AM, mrtomcat said: careful what you say here. sutherland (in tarkington) will still convince about 3 families from beaumont to move to tarkington !!! lets not pretend all the talent thats came thru EC in the past 20 years has been home grown winnie boys. i'm not knocking it for a second. sutherland is the greatest recruiter / coach in the history of east chambers and will continue to win until he retires but lets stop dreaming. tarkington will never be EC and will never be able to lure in a coach with credentials like RS. Thats spot on. Everyone (my Tark friend included) says EC collects Beaumont kids who play the skill positions, and I know Tark never gets anything. Take away the Beaumont imports and EC does not win their district. In fact, they didn't win last year, I think Woodville did. EC was 8-4, 2nd place, and went out after the first round. Thats hardly anything to brag about especially coming from one of the weakest districts in the state. With 4A playoff team Orangefield dropping down, Anahuac growing, and Woodville apparently strong (for this area), there is no need to "topple" EC. EC could end up the 3rd place team in a weak district. Quote
JSnipes Posted April 9, 2022 Report Posted April 9, 2022 I contacted five state championship coaches one year when volleyball season and asked if I could meet with. I told them I would come to them and pay them for their time, but I just wanted to talk about the game and see what they were doing different than our area. One coach had just won her third in a row. The first thing she said to me was, “Coach…you are only as good as your athletes.” During our conversation the name Ryan Mitchell came up and how good of a job he was doing. She told me he was her assistant and would talk about how terrible some coaches her. She would tell him, “Ryan…that coach could be really good but you are only as good as your players.” He took a job a school and left after two or three years because he was getting his butt kicked. Humbled, he went back to being her assistant for a year or two. He then left and started the volleyball program at Lucas Lovejoy…he won five straight state championships, including moving from 4A to 5A during that five year span. Just an example how most coaches think…we are only as good as our athletes, but it is our job to maximize their talents to the best of their abilities. I also think this debate is probably as pointless as trying to change a Democratic to Republican or Republican to Democrat. You aren’t going to change anyone’s mind on how they feel. dayton 1 Quote
Reagan Posted April 11, 2022 Report Posted April 11, 2022 On 4/7/2022 at 7:31 PM, Matthew328 said: Westerberg took over at Allen at the perfect time.....they were growing at an incredible rate and talent was arriving by the boatload as Allen became the largest school in the country...he's a very good coach and he had a very good staff with multiple head coaches on there.....but like I said very good coaches still cant win with mediocre talent (ie Barbers Hill) G.A. (GARY AUTRY) MOORE, JR. 44 years; 426-92-9; 27-19-81962 Bryson (6-Man)1963 Pilot Point 6-3-01964 Pilot Point 7-3-01965 Pilot Point 8-1-2*1966 Pilot Point 5-5-01967 Pilot Point 5-4-11968 Pilot Point 10-1-0*1969 Pilot Point 8-2-01970 Pilot Point 7-3-01971 —ministry—1972 Celina 8-1-11973 Celina 9-1-01974 Celina 13-1-1*1975 Celina 13-1-0*1976 Celina 9-1-01977 Pilot Point 7-3-01978 Pilot Point 9-1-01979 Pilot Point 11-1-0*1980 Pilot Point 14-0-1* 1981 Pilot Point 15-0-0*1982 Pilot Point 12-1-0*1983 Pilot Point 11-1-1*1984 Pilot Point 10-1-0*1985 Pilot Point 13-1-0*1986 Sherman 6-4-01987 Sherman 6-4-01988 Celina 13-2-0*1989 Celina 8-3-0 R1990 Celina 9-1-1*1991 Celina 8-2-01992 Celina 8-3-0 R1993 Celina 7-3-01994 Celina 11-1-0*1995 Celina 15-1-0 R1996 Celina 11-1-0*1997 Celina 11-3-0*1998 Celina 14-2-0 R 1999 Celina 16-0-0* 2000 Celina 16-0-0* 2001 Celina 16-0-0*2002 Pilot Point 7-4-0 T2003 Pilot Point 7-5-0 T2004 Pilot Point 8-3-0 R I know we like to talk about Westerburg, but how about us talking about what G.A. Moore did? Won a title at Celina, went to Pilot point won 2 in a row, then went back to Celina. There he won one, then two years later won 4 in a row. Did the talent just happen to show up at every school he showed up at? Or was it his coaching ability that made this possible? As I've said before, nothing's in a straight line. There are no guarantees. But, I think what could be somewhere at, or over, 90% of the time, an Elite coach (2 or more Titles) can/will win Titles at different schools. Again, my opinion. Quote
Matthew328 Posted April 11, 2022 Report Posted April 11, 2022 8 hours ago, Reagan said: G.A. (GARY AUTRY) MOORE, JR. 44 years; 426-92-9; 27-19-81962 Bryson (6-Man)1963 Pilot Point 6-3-01964 Pilot Point 7-3-01965 Pilot Point 8-1-2*1966 Pilot Point 5-5-01967 Pilot Point 5-4-11968 Pilot Point 10-1-0*1969 Pilot Point 8-2-01970 Pilot Point 7-3-01971 —ministry—1972 Celina 8-1-11973 Celina 9-1-01974 Celina 13-1-1*1975 Celina 13-1-0*1976 Celina 9-1-01977 Pilot Point 7-3-01978 Pilot Point 9-1-01979 Pilot Point 11-1-0*1980 Pilot Point 14-0-1* 1981 Pilot Point 15-0-0*1982 Pilot Point 12-1-0*1983 Pilot Point 11-1-1*1984 Pilot Point 10-1-0*1985 Pilot Point 13-1-0*1986 Sherman 6-4-01987 Sherman 6-4-01988 Celina 13-2-0*1989 Celina 8-3-0 R1990 Celina 9-1-1*1991 Celina 8-2-01992 Celina 8-3-0 R1993 Celina 7-3-01994 Celina 11-1-0*1995 Celina 15-1-0 R1996 Celina 11-1-0*1997 Celina 11-3-0*1998 Celina 14-2-0 R 1999 Celina 16-0-0* 2000 Celina 16-0-0* 2001 Celina 16-0-0*2002 Pilot Point 7-4-0 T2003 Pilot Point 7-5-0 T2004 Pilot Point 8-3-0 R I know we like to talk about Westerburg, but how about us talking about what G.A. Moore did? Won a title at Celina, went to Pilot point won 2 in a row, then went back to Celina. There he won one, then two years later won 4 in a row. Did the talent just happen to show up at every school he showed up at? Or was it his coaching ability that made this possible? As I've said before, nothing's in a straight line. There are no guarantees. But, I think what could be somewhere at, or over, 90% of the time, an Elite coach (2 or more Titles) can/will win Titles at different schools. Again, my opinion. Pilot Point and Celina are literally next door to each other...there were always rumors of kids bouncing from one town to the next to play wherever Moore was...although when Moore was at Celina, Pilot Point was still good and when Moore was at Pilot Point, Celina was still really good... Mr. Buddy Garrity 1 Quote
RidinTheRange Posted April 12, 2022 Report Posted April 12, 2022 On 4/10/2022 at 10:35 PM, Reagan said: G.A. (GARY AUTRY) MOORE, JR. 44 years; 426-92-9; 27-19-81962 Bryson (6-Man)1963 Pilot Point 6-3-01964 Pilot Point 7-3-01965 Pilot Point 8-1-2*1966 Pilot Point 5-5-01967 Pilot Point 5-4-11968 Pilot Point 10-1-0*1969 Pilot Point 8-2-01970 Pilot Point 7-3-01971 —ministry—1972 Celina 8-1-11973 Celina 9-1-01974 Celina 13-1-1*1975 Celina 13-1-0*1976 Celina 9-1-01977 Pilot Point 7-3-01978 Pilot Point 9-1-01979 Pilot Point 11-1-0*1980 Pilot Point 14-0-1* 1981 Pilot Point 15-0-0*1982 Pilot Point 12-1-0*1983 Pilot Point 11-1-1*1984 Pilot Point 10-1-0*1985 Pilot Point 13-1-0*1986 Sherman 6-4-01987 Sherman 6-4-01988 Celina 13-2-0*1989 Celina 8-3-0 R1990 Celina 9-1-1*1991 Celina 8-2-01992 Celina 8-3-0 R1993 Celina 7-3-01994 Celina 11-1-0*1995 Celina 15-1-0 R1996 Celina 11-1-0*1997 Celina 11-3-0*1998 Celina 14-2-0 R 1999 Celina 16-0-0* 2000 Celina 16-0-0* 2001 Celina 16-0-0*2002 Pilot Point 7-4-0 T2003 Pilot Point 7-5-0 T2004 Pilot Point 8-3-0 R I know we like to talk about Westerburg, but how about us talking about what G.A. Moore did? Won a title at Celina, went to Pilot point won 2 in a row, then went back to Celina. There he won one, then two years later won 4 in a row. Did the talent just happen to show up at every school he showed up at? Or was it his coaching ability that made this possible? As I've said before, nothing's in a straight line. There are no guarantees. But, I think what could be somewhere at, or over, 90% of the time, an Elite coach (2 or more Titles) can/will win Titles at different schools. Again, my opinion. Celina folks only go the 4th qtr of the football game, because that's when the Celina kids get to play. Heard that back in the 90s, when G.A. was the coach. Reagan 1 Quote
Matthew328 Posted April 28, 2022 Report Posted April 28, 2022 Starting to finally hear a name emerge for this one...former head coach in the area is all I'll say at the moment..will be calling him today to confirm Quote
SherriffReesie Posted April 28, 2022 Report Posted April 28, 2022 3 hours ago, Matthew328 said: Starting to finally hear a name emerge for this one...former head coach in the area is all I'll say at the moment..will be calling him today to confirm I heard they are down to 2 finalists. Also heard this about one of them as well Quote
Mr. Buddy Garrity Posted April 29, 2022 Report Posted April 29, 2022 2 hours ago, Mr. Thornton Melon said: Crueder Former Lumberton HC? Hmmm.....I could see it being an ok move if it's him. SmashMouth 1 Quote
Guest mrtomcat Posted April 29, 2022 Report Posted April 29, 2022 I heard it was Harry Laynes ? Quote
Mr. Buddy Garrity Posted April 30, 2022 Report Posted April 30, 2022 23 hours ago, mrtomcat said: I heard it was Harry Laynes ? I giggled lol Quote
Uncle Pig Posted May 2, 2022 Report Posted May 2, 2022 On 4/12/2022 at 4:44 PM, The Icon said: When does Toby start? Yes!! Quote
Uncle Pig Posted May 2, 2022 Report Posted May 2, 2022 On 4/28/2022 at 5:50 AM, Matthew328 said: Starting to finally hear a name emerge for this one...former head coach in the area is all I'll say at the moment..will be calling him today to confirm Former Liberty coach? Quote
Uncle Pig Posted May 2, 2022 Report Posted May 2, 2022 On 4/12/2022 at 10:01 AM, RidinTheRange said: Celina folks only go the 4th qtr of the football game, because that's when the Celina kids get to play. Heard that back in the 90s, when G.A. was the coach. Make no mistake Moore was a cheating fool; obviously a ton of games though. If you aren’t cheating you aren’t trying right? Quote
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