WO-S DC?

[Silsbee92]

4 hours ago, dj said:

Well look at it from another angle.he has no H/C experience.and only was a defensive coordinator with Silsbee.and there defense wasn't gud.and wasn't even w.o D/C. MIKE pierce and CT ran the defense.and the topper at any level idk any coach that would switch his whole defense and offense.after been 2 games from winning state. He knows from the 7th grade on up we don't have the size or the talent coming up to run this defense.u have to go with what ur kids does best and then add to it.dont get me wrong I hope and pray that I am wrong.but,we're asking alot.and idk if ur not seeing how kids have been wide open in our secondary bcz our kids are confused.like #13 for lcm left open abt 3 or 4 times.and then #19 for png they best player left open a few times.

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[Sportsguy17]

The jv is even loving this defense 

[WOSdrummer99]

Undefeated 7th, 8th, 9th... Last week was the first loss for those kids ever. Now another 

[WOS1986]

It could be superintendent purpose to destroy the tradition in football.

Blame on the superintendent and the board to make a decision for what happened to kids.

I agreed most of what true hard die Mustangs say about defense changing. When I watched and it really sick in my stomach. They will not success to play deep in the playoffs if they keep that way. 

I really feel bad for kids because of wrong direction from coaches. 

 

[SmashMouth]

12 hours ago, dj said:

Well look at it from another angle.he has no H/C experience.and only was a defensive coordinator with Silsbee.and there defense wasn't gud.and wasn't even w.o D/C. MIKE pierce and CT ran the defense.and the topper at any level idk any coach that would switch his whole defense and offense.after been 2 games from winning state. He knows from the 7th grade on up we don't have the size or the talent coming up to run this defense.u have to go with what ur kids does best and then add to it.dont get me wrong I hope and pray that I am wrong.but,we're asking alot.and idk if ur not seeing how kids have been wide open in our secondary bcz our kids are confused.like #13 for lcm left open abt 3 or 4 times.and then #19 for png they best player left open a few times.

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I don’t need to look at it from a different angle. I wrote that comment back in March. He had not even installed a new defense yet. But If the kids are confused, then they will eventually learn it and get better. Are you saying they aren’t smart enough to learn a new defense or are you saying that new HC’s shouldn’t install a new offense or defense? Dude, that’s a pretty weak argument. WOS may not win state this year. They don’t win it every year no matter who the HC is. 

[CardinalBacker]

Y’all all keep losing sight of the big picture. They FINALLY have a “person of color” for a head coach. The rest is irrelevant. 

[Unwoke]

It would be interesting to know where WOS ranked in points and yards allowed over the past 30 years compared to other High Schools in the State? We know they have the highest winning percentage in the State. Does anyone know that stat?

[Sportsguy17]

[Sportsguy17]

40 minutes ago, Unwoke said:

It would be interesting to know where WOS ranked in points and yards allowed over the past 30 years compared to other High Schools in the State? We know they have the highest winning percentage in the State. Does anyone know that stat?

I know they've had alot of good defenses in the past that were only averaging giving up 5 points or less a game. The 2016 defense obviously. But I remember the 2008 and 2012 defense being lights out. Giving up 5 points or less a game till they got eliminated. 2008 they lost to gilmer in 3rd round defense started out slow first half but shut them down the second half but didn't have enough offense for the comeback. And 2012 lost to Navasota 4th round. That team was on a mission and they wasn't being stopped.. but I would say on average the defense over all the years combine problems averages given up about 10 ppg... that's just me guessing. Right now this season there ppg giving up is 19.6  through 3 games. 

 

[Unwoke]

1 hour ago, Sportsguy17 said:

I know they've had alot of good defenses in the past that were only averaging giving up 5 points or less a game. The 2016 defense obviously. But I remember the 2008 and 2012 defense being lights out. Giving up 5 points or less a game till they got eliminated. 2008 they lost to gilmer in 3rd round defense started out slow first half but shut them down the second half but didn't have enough offense for the comeback. And 2012 lost to Navasota 4th round. That team was on a mission and they wasn't being stopped 

My reasoning for asking that question is I am sure they were in the top 10 percent or 5 percent in the State over the last 30 years or so in points and yards allowed. So why would you change a Defense or somebody i.e. Coach Pierce who coached that Defense if they are getting the job done at the highest level in the State?

[Sportsguy17]

31 minutes ago, Unwoke said:

My reasoning for asking that question is I am sure they were in the top 10 percent or 5 percent in the State over the last 30 years or so in points and yards allowed. So why would you change something or somebody i.e. Coach Pierce if they are getting the job done at the highest level in the State?

I ask myself the same question. Coach t could coach defense. And it shows. Some of the worst defenses wos has ever had was in the early 2000's and why is that? Cause coach t left and was at Palestine for a few years during that time 

[Gasilla]

39 minutes ago, Unwoke said:

My reasoning for asking that question is I am sure they were in the top 10 percent or 5 percent in the State over the last 30 years or so in points and yards allowed. So why would you change something or somebody i.e. Coach Pierce if they are getting the job done at the highest level in the State?

I dont think that there's much doubt that they'd probably be #1 in all classes defensively if that was a stat someone kept. Not saying they were the best in the state every year but they were certainly close to the top in most years. There's always a team each year that had so much talent that they were loaded defensively, but we were good every year and great many.

[Gasilla]

9 hours ago, WOSdrummer99 said:

Undefeated 7th, 8th, 9th... Last week was the first loss for those kids ever. Now another 

They're being taught something... How to lose.

[WOSdrummer99]

2 hours ago, SmashMouth said:

I don’t need to look at it from a different angle. I wrote that comment back in March. He had not even installed a new defense yet.

Then why not make the changes as soon as possible. Give the kids all Spring to learn.

I'll be back with a breakdown of PPG over the years

[CardinalBacker]

So THIS is the Blue Link Defense we’ve been hearing about!
 

Actually I’m glad they changed the name before this happened. 

[Sportsguy17]

If my resources and math is correct over the past 37 years since 1985 the wos defense has given up an average 12.54 ppg.. there best 3 years are  2012 - 5.7 ppg.1887-  5.3 ppg. 2016-  4.3 ppg The 3 worst years are. 2001-  16.9 ppg. 1996-  18.0 ppg.  2005-  19.4 ppg.   

[Sportsguy17]

26 minutes ago, Sportsguy17 said:

If my resources and math is correct over the past 37 years since 1985 the wos defense has given up an average 12.54 ppg.. there best 3 years are  2012 - 5.7 ppg.1887-  5.3 ppg. 2016-  4.3 ppg The 3 worst years are. 2001-  16.9 ppg. 1996-  18.0 ppg.  2005-  19.4 ppg.   

What's crazy is 2005 was wos worst year defensively but still made it to the state semi finals where Wimberley scored 52 points the most ever given up in school history. They went that far cause deon Beasley and earl Thomas was lighting it up on offense that year. 

[SmashMouth]

2 hours ago, WOSdrummer99 said:

Then why not make the changes as soon as possible. Give the kids all Spring to learn.

I'll be back with a breakdown of PPG over the years

I don’t disagree, but Idk when they made the changes. 

[WOSdrummer99]

6340 total points against
544 total games
11.65 avg
4.31     lowest (2016)
19.67   highest (2022)

1977 109 12.11
1978 93 9.30
1979 126 11.45
1980 108 10.80
1981 111 11.10
1982 101 10.10
1983 191 19.10
1984 125 12.50
1985 120 9.23
1986 135 9.00
1987 79 5.27
1988 149 9.93
1989 163 14.82
1990 132 12.00
1991 185 16.82
1992 113 11.30
1993 141 11.75
1994 166 15.09
1995 128 9.85
1996 217 18.08
1997 98 7.54
1998 82 7.45
1999 111 11.10
2000 131 8.19
2001 169 16.90
2002 137 13.70
2003 120 12.00
2004 151 15.10
2005 253 19.46
2006 104 8.67
2007 136 10.46
2008 91 8.27
2009 177 16.09
2010 141 12.82
2011 219 15.64
2012 80 5.71
2013 153 11.77
2014 222 13.88
2015 168 10.50
2016 69 4.31
2017 160 11.43
2018 217 15.50
2019 159 13.25
2020 77 8.56
2021 164 12.62
2022 59 19.67

[Unwoke]

36 minutes ago, WOSdrummer99 said:

6340 total points against
544 total games
11.65 avg
4.31     lowest (2016)
19.67   highest (2022)

1977 109 12.11
1978 93 9.30
1979 126 11.45
1980 108 10.80
1981 111 11.10
1982 101 10.10
1983 191 19.10
1984 125 12.50
1985 120 9.23
1986 135 9.00
1987 79 5.27
1988 149 9.93
1989 163 14.82
1990 132 12.00
1991 185 16.82
1992 113 11.30
1993 141 11.75
1994 166 15.09
1995 128 9.85
1996 217 18.08
1997 98 7.54
1998 82 7.45
1999 111 11.10
2000 131 8.19
2001 169 16.90
2002 137 13.70
2003 120 12.00
2004 151 15.10
2005 253 19.46
2006 104 8.67
2007 136 10.46
2008 91 8.27
2009 177 16.09
2010 141 12.82
2011 219 15.64
2012 80 5.71
2013 153 11.77
2014 222 13.88
2015 168 10.50
2016 69 4.31
2017 160 11.43
2018 217 15.50
2019 159 13.25
2020 77 8.56
2021 164 12.62
2022 59 19.67
 

You can’t argue with success. IMO they should have just left the defense alone. The numbers speak for themselves.

[Gasilla]

3 hours ago, WOSdrummer99 said:

6340 total points against
544 total games
11.65 avg
4.31     lowest (2016)
19.67   highest (2022)

1977 109 12.11
1978 93 9.30
1979 126 11.45
1980 108 10.80
1981 111 11.10
1982 101 10.10
1983 191 19.10
1984 125 12.50
1985 120 9.23
1986 135 9.00
1987 79 5.27
1988 149 9.93
1989 163 14.82
1990 132 12.00
1991 185 16.82
1992 113 11.30
1993 141 11.75
1994 166 15.09
1995 128 9.85
1996 217 18.08
1997 98 7.54
1998 82 7.45
1999 111 11.10
2000 131 8.19
2001 169 16.90
2002 137 13.70
2003 120 12.00
2004 151 15.10
2005 253 19.46
2006 104 8.67
2007 136 10.46
2008 91 8.27
2009 177 16.09
2010 141 12.82
2011 219 15.64
2012 80 5.71
2013 153 11.77
2014 222 13.88
2015 168 10.50
2016 69 4.31
2017 160 11.43
2018 217 15.50
2019 159 13.25
2020 77 8.56
2021 164 12.62
2022 59 19.67
 

The success is undeniable. Less than 2 scores per game for our history and more shut outs than losses, but that defensive scheme had to go? Are we trying to continue the tradition or destroy it?

[WOSdrummer99]

1 hour ago, Gasilla said:

The success is undeniable. Less than 2 scores per game for our history and more shut outs than losses, but that defensive scheme had to go? Are we trying to continue the tradition or destroy it?

One would think H should know the 50, and our dominance with it, from 6 years of being at WOS under CT. Now this DC and his brother the Co-DC come in and do their own thing. I hear so many other coaches today say they let the assistants/Coordinator take care of things.

[Judex]

I had expected it to take longer to plunge the program into mediocrity, but maybe it is a fitting tribute. Hopefully people will finally realize just how singularly important Coach Thompson was to the program and the real ramifications of his absence. 

[setxathlete14]

7 hours ago, CardinalBacker said:

So THIS is the Blue Link Defense we’ve been hearing about!
 

Actually I’m glad they changed the name before this happened. 

Na this one can be called "blue link" old school chain gang will never die.

[WOSdrummer99]

4 minutes ago, setxathlete14 said:

Na this one can be called "blue link" old school chain gang will never die.

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