Ad Hominem

[Unwoke]

22 minutes ago, Englebert said:

I don't know the whole formula, but it starts with "everyone paying their fair share".

A question that should follow the fair share statement should be what exact percentage is considered a fair share? You can never get a exact percentage from a liberal. 

[Reagan]

4 hours ago, UT alum said:

Everyone working for a living wage.

The salient question is:  Who decides what a living wage is?!

[UT alum]

1 hour ago, Reagan said:

The salient question is:  Who decides what a living wage is?!

Add up what two people making minimum wage working 40 hrs a week earn, compare that to what you make. Don’t try to count food stamps or other assistance, just start dollar for dollar, and see what you’d have to cut from your budget to fit that. That’s a start.

[UT alum]

On 5/14/2022 at 1:25 PM, Hagar said:

You left out the important part.

Inflation because of Trump - Zero - Nada - None

Inflation because of Biden - Big - Huge - Astronomical 

End of story.  Here’s where I say, Touche!  Anything after that is irrelevant.

There hasn’t been appreciable inflation since around Clinton’s time. Trump don’t get credit for that one. I’m not saying Clinton does. It’s been low no matter the Pres for a long time.

[UT alum]

2 hours ago, tvc184 said:

The living wage on all jobs is a myth. The moment that all jobs become a living wage, the lower paying jobs will no longer have a living wage. 

Only if inflation gets too hot. A job (or two) that can afford food, housing, clothing, medical care, transportation, with a little left over is a living wage. What’s mythical about that? 

[UT alum]

2 hours ago, baddog said:

Forgive me, what’s a living wage and how is it calculated?

My recommendation would be to take what two minimum wage jobs at 40 hours a week earn and compare that to what you earn. See what you’d have to cut to make your budget fit that amount. That’s a start. Your own comparison analysis.

[UT alum]

4 hours ago, SmashMouth said:

That would be nice, but it will never happen.

Well, think what you will about this, but it was a lot closer back in the day when unions had considerable bargaining power.

[tvc184]

33 minutes ago, UT alum said:

Only if inflation gets too hot. A job (or two) that can afford food, housing, clothing, medical care, transportation, with a little left over is a living wage. What’s mythical about that? 

 Because if every job paid enough money to support a family, inflation would result.

That means all minimum jobs would have to quadruple if a family of 4 with one income. So a guy gets married and his wife stays home with 2 children. That requires about $32 an hour now. That is not counting states like California, New York and New Jersey. That would be more like $40 an hour minimum. 

Start paying stockers at the local supermarket $32 an hour as well as the person waiting the counter at Whataburger and see what happens to inflation.

If McDonald’s had 5 employees working at that rate, they would have to take in almost $1,500 in sales just to pay the salaries for an 8 hour shift …. without a single benefit.

Toss in the cost of food, electricity, water and sewer, etc., and if they aren’t selling $3,000 in an 8 hour shift, they are going to go under.

That comes up to the cashier ringing up a sale of at least $6.25 every minute for eight hours. That is not to make a profit, that is to break even. So unless there are about 40 people standing at the counter for the next eight hours waiting to order, they aren’t going to make it. 

I could do a lot more math but every job should not be and was never intended to be a living wage throughout history.

Yes, a living wage for every job is a myth. Of course you could have 3 single guys moving into an apartment together and they each would only need to make about $8 an hour each. I doubt that is what anyone thinks about when discussing living wages. 

[LumRaiderFan]

42 minutes ago, UT alum said:

Well, think what you will about this, but it was a lot closer back in the day when unions had considerable bargaining power.

Back in the day we made everything we needed in this country which provided lots of high wage jobs before we outsourced everything because we want it cheap.  Unions had a big part in that then but now they do more harm than good.

[SmashMouth]

1 hour ago, UT alum said:

Well, think what you will about this, but it was a lot closer back in the day when unions had considerable bargaining power.

I don’t think so. Look at Chicago, a union run city. Plenty of lower class, poverty, etc. 

[Hagar]

3 hours ago, UT alum said:

There hasn’t been appreciable inflation since around Clinton’s time. Trump don’t get credit for that one. I’m not saying Clinton does. It’s been low no matter the Pres for a long time.

Sure, I’d say no appreciable inflation since Carter.  Point is, Biden is killing the lower and middle class financially.  And especially those on fixed incomes, like myself.  He can lie his way out of a lot of things because of the biased media and uninformed voters, but most Americans are well aware of the inflation.  Were I him, I’d concentrate the majority of my power/efforts to alleviate it.  How you may ask.  I’m no economist but common sense tells me the core problem is the price of gas/diesel.  Do everything possible to lower those and other prices will go down significantly.  But here’s where he overplays his hand.  He and his cohorts know that, but to force green energy, which we’re in no way ready for, he won’t do it.  He lets us suffer to appease the AOC’s in the Party.  In plain language, to avoid alienating what he sees as his base, he lets the majority of America and Americans do without.  

Btw, no amount of liberal rhetoric will change my mind on that.  The evidence Imo is overwhelming.

[LumRaiderFan]

20 minutes ago, Hagar said:

Sure, I’d say no appreciable inflation since Carter.  Point is, Biden is killing the lower and middle class financially.  And especially those on fixed incomes, like myself.  He can lie his way out of a lot of things because of the biased media and uninformed voters, but most Americans are well aware of the inflation.  Were I him, I’d concentrate the majority of my power/efforts to alleviate it.  How you may ask.  I’m no economist but common sense tells me the core problem is the price of gas/diesel.  Do everything possible to lower those and other prices will go down significantly.  But here’s where he overplays his hand.  He and his cohorts know that, but to force green energy, which we’re in no way ready for, he won’t do it.  He lets us suffer to appease the AOC’s in the Party.  In plain language, to avoid alienating what he sees as his base, he lets the majority of America and Americans do without.  

Btw, no amount of liberal rhetoric will change my mind on that.  The evidence Imo is overwhelming.

Agree, liberal policies destroy anywhere they are implemented.  

[InMAGAWeTrust]

2 hours ago, LumRaiderFan said:

Back in the day we made everything we needed in this country which provided lots of high wage jobs before we outsourced everything because we want it cheap. 

Spot on. The outsourcing of decently paying jobs is the obvious eventual result of capitalism. Consumers get cheap products, and corporate shareholders benefit from increased profits. 
 

I go back and forth on being sympathetic to the people here who are struggling financially, after for so many years y’all have used the whole “pull up your bootstraps and WORK” retort. Personally, I pulled up my bootstraps and WORKED rather than sitting around complaining and crying about immigrants, black people, liberals, the media, etc  

[SmashMouth]

33 minutes ago, InMAGAWeTrust said:

I pulled up my bootstraps and WORKED rather than sitting around complaining and crying about immigrants, black people, liberals, the media, etc  

Can’t one do both?

[Boyz N Da Hood]

11 minutes ago, SmashMouth said:

Can’t one do both?

If you vote red chances are slim, that's all they do! At least most of the ones I know do

Ppl complain cause they come across the border and do the jobs lazy Americans don't want to do... more power to em

[5GallonBucket]

4 minutes ago, 45thSucks said:

If you vote red chances are slim, that's all they do! At least most of the ones I know do

Ppl complain cause they come across the border and do the jobs lazy Americans don't want to do... more power to em

They would have to do them if we stopped handing them money….either that or starve.

 

[InMAGAWeTrust]

21 minutes ago, SmashMouth said:

Can’t one do both?

Sure, but may if they worked harder, instead of funneling all their free time trying to convince others the election was stolen, they could further increase their income. Adapt and overcome 

[Boyz N Da Hood]

2 minutes ago, 5GallonBucket said:

They would have to do them if we stopped handing them money….either that or starve.

 

Maybe that's the answer instead of trying to keep them out! Newsflash, you ain't keeping em out... figure out a better strategy and start taxing them like every American does... some come for the wrong reason but more come for a better life, I know some illegals and they work every bit or harder than some Americans I know... I respect these ppl coming for the right reason

[InMAGAWeTrust]

1 minute ago, 45thSucks said:

Maybe that's the answer instead of trying to keep them out! Newsflash, you ain't keeping em out... figure out a better strategy and start taxing them like every American does... some come for the wrong reason but more come for a better life, I know some illegals and they work every bit or harder than some Americans I know... I respect these ppl coming for the right reason

I personally know quite a few die hard trumpers who constantly rail against socialism.. but literally live off the government lol.. I’m not mad at them, because obviously living off the government and being poor isn’t exactly living the high life, but sometimes I can’t help but chuckle at the irony of it all 

[5GallonBucket]

28 minutes ago, 45thSucks said:

Maybe that's the answer instead of trying to keep them out! Newsflash, you ain't keeping em out... figure out a better strategy and start taxing them like every American does... some come for the wrong reason but more come for a better life, I know some illegals and they work every bit or harder than some Americans I know... I respect these ppl coming for the right reason

Maybe you misunderstood me.….the lazy Americans is what I was referring to.

and yes I worked along these same people as a brick mason laborer in my younger years. Hard workers.

I also lived in Mexico for awhile and worked for these people.

[Boyz N Da Hood]

20 minutes ago, 5GallonBucket said:

Maybe you misunderstood me.….the lazy Americans is what I was referring to.

and yes I worked along these same people as a brick mason laborer in my younger years. Hard workers.

I also lived in Mexico for awhile and worked for these people.

Yeah I misunderstood. My apology 

[UT alum]

5 hours ago, LumRaiderFan said:

Back in the day we made everything we needed in this country which provided lots of high wage jobs before we outsourced everything because we want it cheap.  Unions had a big part in that then but now they do more harm than good.

How? They have virtually no power anymore.

[UT alum]

5 hours ago, tvc184 said:

 Because if every job paid enough money to support a family, inflation would result.

That means all minimum jobs would have to quadruple if a family of 4 with one income. So a guy gets married and his wife stays home with 2 children. That requires about $32 an hour now. That is not counting states like California, New York and New Jersey. That would be more like $40 an hour minimum. 

Start paying stockers at the local supermarket $32 an hour as well as the person waiting the counter at Whataburger and see what happens to inflation.

If McDonald’s had 5 employees working at that rate, they would have to take in almost $1,500 in sales just to pay the salaries for an 8 hour shift …. without a single benefit.

Toss in the cost of food, electricity, water and sewer, etc., and if they aren’t selling $3,000 in an 8 hour shift, they are going to go under.

That comes up to the cashier ringing up a sale of at least $6.25 every minute for eight hours. That is not to make a profit, that is to break even. So unless there are about 40 people standing at the counter for the next eight hours waiting to order, they aren’t going to make it. 

I could do a lot more math but every job should not be and was never intended to be a living wage throughout history.

Yes, a living wage for every job is a myth. Of course you could have 3 single guys moving into an apartment together and they each would only need to make about $8 an hour each. I doubt that is what anyone thinks about when discussing living wages. 

Wife rarely stays home anymore. If everyone could afford a loaf of bread, that doesn’t mean the price of bread will go up. As long as productivity remains high you don’t wind up with too many dollars chasing too few goods. 
 

That’s part of the problem now. The government didn’t pump too much into Covid relief. All the supply chain breakdowns hit just as dollars flooded the market. It’ll be temporary. In Carter years, output productivity dropped way low. It was more chronic inflation. I believe this round is acute.

[Reagan]

[tvc184]

4 hours ago, 45thSucks said:

If you vote red chances are slim, that's all they do! At least most of the ones I know do

Ppl complain cause they come across the border and do the jobs lazy Americans don't want to do... more power to em

That is another fallacy.