Ad Hominem

[LumRaiderFan]

8 hours ago, UT alum said:

How? They have virtually no power anymore.

So you haven't seen plants go on strike lately?

[LumRaiderFan]

9 hours ago, InMAGAWeTrust said:

I personally know quite a few die hard trumpers who constantly rail against socialism.. but literally live off the government lol.. I’m not mad at them, because obviously living off the government and being poor isn’t exactly living the high life, but sometimes I can’t help but chuckle at the irony of it all 

Just curious, how are they living off the government?  What fund are they pulling from?

[UT alum]

29 minutes ago, LumRaiderFan said:

So you haven't seen plants go on strike lately?

You seen any successful organizing lately, save one Amazon site?

[Boyz N Da Hood]

7 hours ago, tvc184 said:

That is another fallacy. 

U sure?

[LumRaiderFan]

1 hour ago, UT alum said:

You seen any successful organizing lately, save one Amazon site?

No, I haven't.

[tvc184]

2 hours ago, 45thSucks said:

U sure?

Absolutely.

[Boyz N Da Hood]

2 minutes ago, tvc184 said:

Absolutely.

👌🏾

[tvc184]

2 hours ago, 45thSucks said:

👌🏾

Working in the construction trade making $30 an hour or more is hardly jobs that those lazy Americans won’t do. There is a an unjustified racial stereotype of people crossing the southern border as underpaid nannies, lawn workers, concrete finishers and so on.

While certainly some people do that (job skills from any nationality or race), to think that millions of people are here for menial jobs is a joke.

Only as an anecdote, I stopped a suspicion vehicle a few years ago after a person called in that there was people taking photos of a critical infrastructure facility under construction. While not illegal if on public property (it could possibly be trespassing if not ) I found the vehicle and the two men inside didn’t have state issued ID or a driver’s license. What they did have was official employment  IDs from that job site. It kind of makes me wonder how people without proper identification could get jobs at a critical infrastructure site but that’s for another story.

I asked them about no ID and both without hesitation said that they were illegally in the country.  So on the side of the road I contacted INS (or ICE, I don’t remember if they had made the switch yet) and INS/ICE had me take them into custody and place an immigration hold on them. They were angry and said something like, we have been doing this for years and nobody ever cared.

The point of it is, I believe they were welders on an important job site, without state credentials/ID but with work identification and probably making compared to today’s salaries, about $50 an hour. I could give you more such stories if you wish.

This was under the George W Bush administration when many immigration laws were enforced. If that was back then, what about  today?

I never looked into the pictures they were reported to have been taken. They were legally on the job site and probably sending pictures home showing where they worked…. assuming they ever took any photos. 

[Boyz N Da Hood]

43 minutes ago, tvc184 said:

Working in the construction trade making $30 an hour or more is hardly jobs that those lazy Americans won’t do. There is a an unjustified racial stereotype of people crossing the southern border as underpaid nannies, lawn workers, concrete finishers and so on.

While certainly some people do that (job skills from any nationality or race), to think that millions of people are here for menial jobs is a joke.

Only as an anecdote, I stopped a suspicion vehicle a few years ago after a person called in that there was people taking photos of a critical infrastructure facility under construction. While not illegal if on public property (it could possibly be trespassing if not ) I found the vehicle and the two men inside didn’t have state issued ID or a driver’s license. What they did have was official employment  IDs from that job site. It kind of makes me wonder how people without proper identification could get jobs at a critical infrastructure site but that’s for another story.

I asked them about no ID and both without hesitation said that they were illegally in the country.  So on the side of the road I contacted INS (or ICE, I don’t remember if they had made the switch yet) and INS/ICE had me take them into custody and place an immigration hold on them. They were angry and said something like, we have been doing this for years and nobody ever cared.

The point of it is, I believe they were welders on an important job site, without state credentials/ID but with work identification and probably making compared to today’s salaries, about $50 an hour. I could give you more such stories if you wish.

This was under the George W Bush administration when many immigration laws were enforced. If that was back then, what about  today?

I never looked into the pictures they were reported to have been taken. They were legally on the job site and probably sending pictures home showing where they worked…. assuming they ever took any photos. 

They probably got deported and came right back over here! I know some who got deported and came back, hard to tell a man he can't come here for a better life... a man will do whatever it takes to provide for his family, and I respect that.. 

[tvc184]

2 hours ago, 45thSucks said:

They probably got deported and came right back over here! I know some who got deported and came back, hard to tell a man he can't come here for a better life... a man will do whatever it takes to provide for his family, and I respect that.. 

And when they return it is a felony, I believe with up to two years in prison.

That is current law on the books.

How many do you have to sentence to prison before it is not worthwhile to cross the border? I always hear things like, well you can’t catch them all. Absolutely not. But when there is no incentive not to cross, why not make the attempt? If you cross the border and the law is enforced and  there is a 50-50 likelihood that you will be stopped at some time and put in jail for at least six months and then be deported, if you return it will change to two years, how likely  are you to try to do it again? How many people are going to come over knowing the odds? The odds now are so low and with no effort to enforce the law except at the border itself, it is almost comical.

It is like putting out information such as, everyone knows it is against the law to steal from a store however the state of Texas is going to institute a new policy of never enforcing that law. If you get caught, you will only have to put the items back on the shelf and leave the store for that day. If you get away with it, you get to keep all of the items. Gee…. all stores are going bankrupt.

But back to the original supposition, people are not crossing the border to work menial jobs at minimum wage or less in slave like labor that other people will not take.

Notwithstanding, there are people being held as slaves or essentially so and even in this area. I have been on a raid where a two-story home was divided up into about 32 apartments. Those apartments or walls put up to make rooms were about 8‘ x 8‘ or less. The master bedroom had four apartments inside of it. A large living room might had six or eight apartments. People were being brought over illegally, possibly by ship, possibly kidnapped and being held. The one I was on had the house rules written in about eight different languages. I am fairly certain that these people being held while working off their pay to be free at probably five dollars an hour working in restaurants. Then they were charged room and board so basically what they made went right back to the owners.

Those weren’t  the people however in most cases crossing the border, in my opinion. 

[Hagar]

And if the illegals from San Salvador, or other places, were put on planes and flown back, the rest would quit coming.  Long trek for nothing.  All the ones who want to come, have them go through the immigration/vetting process like our laws are designed for.  That would eliminate most pervert/criminals/terrorist from entering our country.

Well my, my, my, doesn’t that make to much sense.

[UT alum]

3 hours ago, tvc184 said:

Working in the construction trade making $30 an hour or more is hardly jobs that those lazy Americans won’t do. There is a an unjustified racial stereotype of people crossing the southern border as underpaid nannies, lawn workers, concrete finishers and so on.

While certainly some people do that (job skills from any nationality or race), to think that millions of people are here for menial jobs is a joke.

Only as an anecdote, I stopped a suspicion vehicle a few years ago after a person called in that there was people taking photos of a critical infrastructure facility under construction. While not illegal if on public property (it could possibly be trespassing if not ) I found the vehicle and the two men inside didn’t have state issued ID or a driver’s license. What they did have was official employment  IDs from that job site. It kind of makes me wonder how people without proper identification could get jobs at a critical infrastructure site but that’s for another story.

I asked them about no ID and both without hesitation said that they were illegally in the country.  So on the side of the road I contacted INS (or ICE, I don’t remember if they had made the switch yet) and INS/ICE had me take them into custody and place an immigration hold on them. They were angry and said something like, we have been doing this for years and nobody ever cared.

The point of it is, I believe they were welders on an important job site, without state credentials/ID but with work identification and probably making compared to today’s salaries, about $50 an hour. I could give you more such stories if you wish.

This was under the George W Bush administration when many immigration laws were enforced. If that was back then, what about  today?

I never looked into the pictures they were reported to have been taken. They were legally on the job site and probably sending pictures home showing where they worked…. assuming they ever took any photos. 

If they ever start prosecuting the employers, it’ll change in a hurry.

[Boyz N Da Hood]

1 hour ago, UT alum said:

If they ever start prosecuting the employers, it’ll change in a hurry.

Republicans would never cut their own throat 

[tvc184]

3 hours ago, UT alum said:

If they ever start prosecuting the employers, it’ll change in a hurry.

Without a doubt.  Hurry would be more like instantly.

 The law says so but…….

[tvc184]

1 hour ago, 45thSucks said:

Republicans would never cut their own throat 

Republicans? And just how many companies and company CEOs/presidents were prosecuted under 8 years of Obama and now well into the term of Biden?

I am not going to hold on my breath while I wait for that list…..

[Boyz N Da Hood]

Just now, tvc184 said:

Republicans? And just how many companies and company CEOs/presidents were prosecuted under 8 years of Obama and now well into the term of Biden?

I am not going to hold on my breath while I wait for that list…..

D's love the votes 

R's love the cheap labor...

Don't kid yourself, we can have a rationale conversation but if your going to point fingers at D's only I won't waste anymore time 

[LumRaiderFan]

3 minutes ago, 45thSucks said:

D's love the votes 

R's love the cheap labor...

Don't kid yourself, we can have a rationale conversation but if your going to point fingers at D's only I won't waste anymore time 

You seem to be pointing a finger at Republicans only.

[tvc184]

1 minute ago, 45thSucks said:

D's love the votes 

R's love the cheap labor...

Don't kid yourself, we can have a rationale conversation but if your going to point fingers at D's only I won't waste anymore time 

You’ve got to be kidding, right? Maybe sarcasm. 

I have not defended the Republicans on this particular topic and both sides are just as guilty as you mentioned.

YOU HOWEVER… said in reference to prosecuting, “Republicans” would never cut the own throats.

Let’s see, the guy that interjects party affiliation, complains when……. someone mentions party affiliation.

You only have to go back a couple of posts when UT Alum talked about prosecuting the employers and my answer was “without a doubt”. I never mentioned a party because they are both equally guilty.

Of course, you can ignore the obvious. 

[tvc184]

6 minutes ago, LumRaiderFan said:

You seem to be pointing a finger at Republicans only.

Worse, was the only person to bring us party. 

[LumRaiderFan]

33 minutes ago, tvc184 said:

Worse, was the only person to bring us party. 

Not surprising, check the username, lol.

[Boyz N Da Hood]

1 hour ago, LumRaiderFan said:

You seem to be pointing a finger at Republicans only.

Try re reading the post you commented on! My first sentence mentioned D's b4 R's SMH 

[LumRaiderFan]

25 minutes ago, 45thSucks said:

Try re reading the post you commented on! My first sentence mentioned D's b4 R's SMH 

Nope, you stated Republicans would never cut their own throat, as if they are the only beneficiaries of cheap labor.

Also, 45th sucks is kind of a giveaway.

You are obviously a D guy.

[Boyz N Da Hood]

9 hours ago, LumRaiderFan said:

Nope, you stated Republicans would never cut their own throat, as if they are the only beneficiaries of cheap labor.

Also, 45th sucks is kind of a giveaway.

You are obviously a D guy.

I'm neither of these parties... to far right and to far left

And 45th did suck, only a handful of 1 term presidents LMAO

[LumRaiderFan]

46 minutes ago, 45thSucks said:

I'm neither of these parties... to far right and to far left

And 45th did suck, only a handful of 1 term presidents LMAO

 

He's certainly in your head, all your usernames are about him.

[baddog]

42 minutes ago, LumRaiderFan said:

 

He's certainly in your head, all your usernames are about him.

Trump will be the second president to serve twice but not consecutively.