BISD Board to consider naming stadium after Carrol “Butch” Thomas

[CardinalBacker]

16 minutes ago, SmashMouth said:

Understood. But that didn’t answer question. 

Just for an instant imagine that the races of the parties were reversed… would you have a hard time identifying racism then?

[SmashMouth]

2 hours ago, CardinalBacker said:

Just for an instant imagine that the races of the parties were reversed… would you have a hard time identifying racism then?

I’m sorry. I know where your going, but that doesn’t answer the question I asked. 

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

Like I told @BMTSoulja1 before: selling the naming rights to the stadium would be best for BISD in my opinion, but then again I like money, I don't know what their internal plans are. 🤷🏾‍♂️

 

Kinda wish PAISD did the same in these times as far as selling the rights, but Memorial Stadium makes too much sense to get rid of, lots of history there and I like it, plus we would need a whole new stadium for it to happen, that aint happening here 😁 😂

[BMTSoulja1]

Just now getting to this topic.  I feel like I’ve explained this severs times.  The detractors have selective comprehension.  
 

But I’ll just make this whole thing simple.  There’s this and that talk about wasted money.  Where was this same outrage when it was initially changed from the Thomas Center to Memorial Stadium?  I mean, that money could have been used to educate our children.  But no one is ready to have that conversation.  
 

At this point, I can actually see both sides of this argument.  One side just wants this whole debate to be over with.  The other want the detractors to know that they see through the smoke screen and want to prove a point.  Actually, I’m ok with either decision…

[bullets13]

16 hours ago, SmashMouth said:

I’m not doubting, just asking… what is the proof of this?

Like a leaked internal memo or something?  Of course there's nothing like that.  But one only has to ask themselves why the board has (soon to be twice now) elected to name the stadium after a disgraced superintendent under whom the entire district was run into the ground.  The answer is obvious.  There are several obvious choices of people of color to name the stadium after who are much more deserving and would elicit a supportive response from the community.  Instead they're once again going with a crook, and there's only one reason to do that.  

[bullets13]

4 hours ago, BMTSoulja1 said:

Just now getting to this topic.  I feel like I’ve explained this severs times.  The detractors have selective comprehension.  
 

But I’ll just make this whole thing simple.  There’s this and that talk about wasted money.  Where was this same outrage when it was initially changed from the Thomas Center to Memorial Stadium?  I mean, that money could have been used to educate our children.  But no one is ready to have that conversation.  
 

At this point, I can actually see both sides of this argument.  One side just wants this whole debate to be over with.  The other want the detractors to know that they see through the smoke screen and want to prove a point.  Actually, I’m ok with either decision…

Come on, man.  there is no two sides to this.  If they were arguing about spending money to change it to something like Alex Durley Stadium then there would be two sides.  This is nothing but a spiteful move to shove Thomas back in the face of the people who vocally opposed the school board and Thomas and that brought to light all of the corruption that got the district taken over to begin with.  

[CardinalBacker]

5 hours ago, BMTSoulja1 said:

Just now getting to this topic.  I feel like I’ve explained this severs times.  The detractors have selective comprehension.  
 

But I’ll just make this whole thing simple.  There’s this and that talk about wasted money.  Where was this same outrage when it was initially changed from the Thomas Center to Memorial Stadium?  I mean, that money could have been used to educate our children.  But no one is ready to have that conversation.  
 

At this point, I can actually see both sides of this argument.  One side just wants this whole debate to be over with.  The other want the detractors to know that they see through the smoke screen and want to prove a point.  Actually, I’m ok with either decision…

I agree with what you're saying with the exception of these two points.

1.  Changing from Thomas was removing the name of a disgraced former leader from a place of honor in the community... at least in the eyes of the detractors, anyways.  Nobody on either side has expressed that "Memorial" is somehow not fitting or improper as a name.  

2.  A private donor paid to have the name changed... the school didn't pay for that.  In fact, Corey Crenshaw claims that the school will not only be responsible for the cost of renaming the stadium back to Thomas (unless a donor for that side shows up), but also responsible for reimbursing the original donor from the last renaming.  Unless somebody steps up to foot the bill, BISD is voting to pay double to rename the Stadium after Dr. Thomas.

 

I guess my questions are:

How can people who don't want to see Dr. Thomas's name up there be racist if they're offering up other possible candidates to be honored who are also black?

AND

Can you give any reasons why Dr. Thomas should be honored in spite of what been proven to be a remarkably bad period of leadership?  Do you recognize the hypocrisy of demanding that schools and streets be renamed and even statues be torn down in this very city because it offends the black community, but then the black community is seemingly determined to name this stadium after a guy who has a ton of skeletons that no closet can hold?  Nobody is ready for that conversation, either.  

[BMTSoulja1]

9 minutes ago, CardinalBacker said:

I agree with what you're saying with the exception of these two points.

1.  Changing from Thomas was removing the name of a disgraced former leader from a place of honor in the community... at least in the eyes of the detractors, anyways.  Nobody on either side has expressed that "Memorial" is somehow not fitting or improper as a name.  

2.  A private donor paid to have the name changed... the school didn't pay for that.  In fact, Corey Crenshaw claims that the school will not only be responsible for the cost of renaming the stadium back to Thomas (unless a donor for that side shows up), but also responsible for reimbursing the original donor from the last renaming.  Unless somebody steps up to foot the bill, BISD is voting to pay double to rename the Stadium after Dr. Thomas.

 

I guess my questions are:

How can people who don't want to see Dr. Thomas's name up there be racist if they're offering up other possible candidates to be honored who are also black?

AND

Can you give any reasons why Dr. Thomas should be honored in spite of what been proven to be a remarkably bad period of leadership?  Do you recognize the hypocrisy of demanding that schools and streets be renamed and even statues be torn down in this very city because it offends the black community, but then the black community is seemingly determined to name this stadium after a guy who has a ton of skeletons that no closet can hold?  Nobody is ready for that conversation, either.  

The funds for the private donor could have footed that funds to some kind of program to help with educating the kids.  Apparently, the schools could do a lot better as shown with the test scores.  They were so quick to foot the. I’ll to change a name in a building.  Funny how that worked.  
 

The first question.  I never said it was racist.    But seeing how everything has played out in the district as far as I can remember, you can see where this could be racially motivated.  If you remember, this all started with the district going with a higher bid back the lower bid that just so happen to be a BOB.  
 

The second question.  No one uttered a word when other districts across the state named their stadium after the current superintendent that did good things for the district.  And keep in mind, Thomas was never arrested for all the things we was accused of no matter how failed attempts by the detractors.  I’m just saying.  
 

Again, I feel like a tape recorder saying this all over again.  

[SmashMouth]

3 hours ago, bullets13 said:

Like a leaked internal memo or something?  Of course there's nothing like that.  But one only has to ask themselves why the board has (soon to be twice now) elected to name the stadium after a disgraced superintendent under whom the entire district was run into the ground.  The answer is obvious. 

So this is pure conjecture in other words. 

[WOSdrummer99]

Name it after Dr. Thomas

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[bullets13]

1 hour ago, SmashMouth said:

So this is pure conjecture in other words. 

Sure.  Or obvious, if you lived and worked through it like I did. 

[tvc184]

43 minutes ago, WOSdrummer99 said:

Name it after Dr. Thomas

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 Call it, “The Preacher”.

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

1 hour ago, BMTSoulja1 said:

The funds for the private donor could have footed that funds to some kind of program to help with educating the kids.  Apparently, the schools could do a lot better as shown with the test scores.  They were so quick to foot the. I’ll to change a name in a building.  Funny how that worked.  
 

The first question.  I never said it was racist.    But seeing how everything has played out in the district as far as I can remember, you can see where this could be racially motivated.  If you remember, this all started with the district going with a higher bid back the lower bid that just so happen to be a BOB.  
 

The second question.  No one uttered a word when other districts across the state named their stadium after the current superintendent that did good things for the district.  And keep in mind, Thomas was never arrested for all the things we was accused of no matter how failed attempts by the detractors.  I’m just saying.  
 

Again, I feel like a tape recorder saying this all over again.  

I wonder how much more gray hair this is putting on your "friend" 😂 I'm surprised this topic hasn't come up in one of their meetings. 

[SmashMouth]

41 minutes ago, bullets13 said:

Sure.  Or obvious, if you lived and worked through it like I did. 

I’m not saying it’s not racially motivated, I just don’t think there’s an ounce of actual proof it was done solely to shove it in white folks faces. 

[CardinalBacker]

3 hours ago, BMTSoulja1 said:

The funds for the private donor could have footed that funds to some kind of program to help with educating the kids.  Apparently, the schools could do a lot better as shown with the test scores.  They were so quick to foot the. I’ll to change a name in a building.  Funny how that worked.  
 

The first question.  I never said it was racist.    But seeing how everything has played out in the district as far as I can remember, you can see where this could be racially motivated.  If you remember, this all started with the district going with a higher bid back the lower bid that just so happen to be a BOB.  
 

The second question.  No one uttered a word when other districts across the state named their stadium after the current superintendent that did good things for the district.  And keep in mind, Thomas was never arrested for all the things we was accused of no matter how failed attempts by the detractors.  I’m just saying.  
 

Again, I feel like a tape recorder saying this all over again.  

I don’t think that you and I are that far apart. I have no doubt that there is plenty of history of which I’m not aware that could motivate people to act like the trustees are now. Doesn’t make it right, though.  

Can you point me at an instance where a district has named any facility (not just a stadium) after a sitting super? I’m not aware of any. 
 

This is me being honest… I can’t WAIT until they start naming things after President Obama… There will be some folks losing their minds, lol… even though the guy deserves it. But the fact is that it didn’t happen while he was still president, and it typically doesn’t happen during his lifetime, even.  It wasn’t Dan Hooks Stadium until after he retired, etc. 

[BMTSoulja1]

3 minutes ago, CardinalBacker said:

I don’t think that you and I are that far apart. I have no doubt that there is plenty of history of which I’m not aware that could motivate people to act like the trustees are now. Doesn’t make it right, though.  

Can you point me at an instance where a district has named any facility (not just a stadium) after a sitting super? I’m not aware of any. 
 

This is me being honest… I can’t WAIT until they start naming things after President Obama… There will be some folks losing their minds, lol… even though the guy deserves it. But the fact is that it didn’t happen while he was still president, and it typically doesn’t happen during his lifetime, even.  It wasn’t Dan Hooks Stadium until after he retired, etc. 

Many years, the facility in Cy-Fair ISD was named after their current sitting Superintendent.  Remember, the Berry Center?

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

5 minutes ago, BMTSoulja1 said:

Many years, the facility in Cy-Fair ISD was named after their current sitting Superintendent.  Remember, the Berry Center?

Pretty sure Berry left in 2004. The current Supt is Henry, believe he's the same guy that was at Galena Park ISD. 

[CardinalBacker]

4 minutes ago, BMTSoulja1 said:

Many years, the facility in Cy-Fair ISD was named after their current sitting Superintendent.  Remember, the Berry Center?

Man, it’s close…. But he left in 2004 and the berry center wasn’t named after him until 2006. 
 

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It’s a small distinction, but a truth nonetheless… we just don’t typically name facilities in our own honor while we’re still in charge. 

[bullets13]

3 hours ago, SmashMouth said:

I’m not saying it’s not racially motivated, I just don’t think there’s an ounce of actual proof it was done solely to shove it in white folks faces. 

I get what you’re saying.  But the actions of the board over the years make it pretty obvious to me, even if they’re not naming it “Suck It, Getz” stadium.

[tvc184]

5 hours ago, bullets13 said:

I get what you’re saying.  But the actions of the board over the years make it pretty obvious to me, even if they’re not naming it “Suck It, Getz” stadium.

Yes, their actions seem trivial and like spite.

Seriously, what is the purpose for this seemingly great push for his name like he is a savior or left some kind of lasting legacy?

Looking at this article, it shows the mismanagement, not following policy and deception by Thomas while he was superintendent although there article was written after he left  

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[5GallonBucket]

Well we did have a national funeral and a statue made for a criminal not to long ago

 

[CardinalBacker]

14 hours ago, BMTSoulja1 said:

Many years, the facility in Cy-Fair ISD was named after their current sitting Superintendent.  Remember, the Berry Center?

I do appreciate your perspective, though.. I know it has to seem like 30 to 1 when you weigh in on this subject. 

[BMTSoulja1]

6 hours ago, CardinalBacker said:

I do appreciate your perspective, though.. I know it has to seem like 30 to 1 when you weigh in on this subject. 

Always been like that.  30 to 1.  I’m used to it…

[BMTSoulja1]

7 hours ago, 5GallonBucket said:

Well we did have a national funeral and a statue made for a criminal not to long ago

 

Lord Jesus….  🙄🤦🏾

[thetragichippy]

On 5/17/2022 at 11:58 PM, Mr. Buddy Garrity said:

Like I told @BMTSoulja1 before: selling the naming rights to the stadium would be best for BISD in my opinion, but then again I like money, I don't know what their internal plans are. 🤷🏾‍♂️

 

Kinda wish PAISD did the same in these times as far as selling the rights, but Memorial Stadium makes too much sense to get rid of, lots of history there and I like it, plus we would need a whole new stadium for it to happen, that aint happening here 😁 😂

Memorial needs to stay.....

We don't need no more drama in PA LOL