Uvalde School Shooting, 21 Dead

[tvc184]

Here is another Brandon Tatum video and it shows some of the foolishness that the media puts out, spins and also how the false stories get told from the claimed witnesses. I don’t know how many people saw it from this forum but on the first day that was the claim that a woman was handcuffed but later broke away and went into the school. The story I saw she was saying (according to the media) that the officers were not doing anything but were arresting parents. This woman was supposedly briefly arrested.

But then after she was released she broke away from them, got into the school and got her kids out. It was at least implied that she went into the school where the shooting happened.

This is her story as told by her to the media. The media runs with it and gives the implication that the police were not securing the school and we’re doing nothing. At one point the woman said I went to my son’s classroom and the police stopped me and then a short time later said she encountered no police while in the school. NEWSFLASH:  Both can’t be true.

I’m going to assume that all or most of what she said is true. The problem is not the story through her eyes but what the media tried to spit it into.

But…. At least this reporter made some very good observations that indirectly criticized what the woman stand.

The story is about 17 minutes long but it should be very enlightening.

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1 hour ago, tvc184 said:

I don’t know what that is supposed to show but it shows nothing when I click on it. It goes to my Facebook home screen.i

I apologize for previous post not working correctly. 

the image above is what I wanted yall to see.

[Unwoke]

She’s going to eradicate the Hate out of peoples hearts in America by legislatively taking away your gun rights. Smh. How devisive and evil can you get? She’s one of the most disgusting politicians I know.

 

 

 

 

 

[Reagan]

The True Evil Behind Mass Murders in America’s Schools!

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The True Evil Behind Mass Murders in America’s Schools!

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[Dirty_but_Dazzling]

With all this "gun control" talk, I haven't heard one politician say how they plan to take guns from criminals, just law abiding citizens.

[Chester86]

On 6/4/2022 at 9:50 AM, Unwoke said:

She’s going to eradicate the Hate out of peoples hearts in America by legislatively taking away your gun rights. Smh. How devisive and evil can you get? She’s one of the most disgusting politicians I know.

 

 

 

 

 

Says Hillary Clinton - laughable!

[Unwoke]

This is the first time I’ve seen this interview. Has anyone else seen this interview before?

 

 

[LumRaiderFan]

1 hour ago, Unwoke said:

This is the first time I’ve seen this interview. Has anyone else seen this interview before?

 

 

Wow…smh

[tvc184]

Yes, another media hustle. Emotion is more important than facts. You have to feel sorry for the woman but she is telling her understandable feelings and the media spins it for views. 

[tvc184]

The person that posted it said that woman saved her kids.  No, she didn’t.

The police got her son out and she said so.

People sometimes tend to ignore the obvious when dealing with emotions.  At one point in the video )about the one minute mark) the woman said that the second teacher would not open the door which I am sure is protocol. Then, “they” started to lead me out. “They” has to be the police. Who else escorted her out of the building when she was trying to get her son? Then “they” opened the door (again likely protocol to wait for the police) which again has to be the police. Next the reporter asked, did you ever see any police in the building…. “No”.

Well then who was they that started to escort you out and they that opened the door to get the kids out?

1. The woman was understandably emotional. Who wouldn’t be?

2. She went into a building where the shooter was not likely located. That school has about 7 buildings and the shooter was isolated in one.

3. She was not allowed into the classroom which makes sense. The teacher probably doesn’t know her. The woman could be part of the active shooters.

4. The police (I can’t think of who else) started to escort her out and almost simultaneously opened the door to get the kids out.… the denies any police were on scene.

5. The reporter (oddly in my opinion) then says the woman was not in the same building.  The reporter the adds (which is the entire point) that the woman’s energy and frustration is what “is reverberating”.

Point 5 sums it up, emotions play, not necessarily the facts. 

[tvc184]

2 hours ago, Unwoke said:

This is the first time I’ve seen this interview. Has anyone else seen this interview before?

 

 

AND… that if the same video I posted on this page above but with the entire interview but with Brandon Tatum analyzing it to show what she is actually saying. 

[LumRaiderFan]

27 minutes ago, tvc184 said:

AND… that if the same video I posted on this page above but with the entire interview but with Brandon Tatum analyzing it to show what she is actually saying. 

That’s the one folks ought to watch to at least get a better perspective.  It looks like there were decisions made that could have been better, even other law enforcement saying so, but I don’t get the media seemingly going out of their way to make the cops look like they just stood around for over an hour doing nothing.  I guess they do it because it sells.  Bottom line, the truth will eventually comes out, we’re just not willing to wait these days.

[tvc184]

10 minutes ago, LumRaiderFan said:

That’s the one folks ought to watch to at least get a better perspective.  It looks like there were decisions made that could have been better, even other law enforcement saying so, but I don’t get the media seemingly going out of their way to make the cops look like they just stood around for over an hour doing nothing.  I guess they do it because it sells.  Bottom line, the truth will eventually comes out, we’re just not willing to wait these days.

Correct.

I still have not seen any credible information the officers made huge mistakes. I have seen comments by other police officers in various forums that said, these officers messed up big time yet they can point to nothing that backs up those claims.

While it is true that they might have made terrible decisions, what is that based on? I have yet to hear a politician or police commander to explain what the officers were facing and what capabilities they had and equipment was available. All I have heard is that the other guy made the decision and he is wrong.

Okay, wrong because……. and we are still waiting. 

[LumRaiderFan]

30 minutes ago, tvc184 said:

Correct.

I still have not seen any credible information the officers made huge mistakes. I have seen comments by other police officers in various forums that said, these officers messed up big time yet they can point to nothing that backs up those claims.

While it is true that they might have made terrible decisions, what is that based on? I have yet to hear a politician or police commander to explain what the officers were facing and what capabilities they had and equipment was available. All I have heard is that the other guy made the decision and he is wrong.

Okay, wrong because……. and we are still waiting. 

I’ve heard law enforcement folks(that weren’t there) say the first officers on site should do all they could to engage the shooter to make themselves the target rather than the kids, what’s your thoughts on that?

[thetragichippy]

56 minutes ago, LumRaiderFan said:

I’ve heard law enforcement folks(that weren’t there) say the first officers on site should do all they could to engage the shooter to make themselves the target rather than the kids, what’s your thoughts on that?

I would be interested to hear TVC’s thought on that, but to me, making yourself a target is heroic, but if you end up dead, you have not helped anyone. Throw in the possibility of setting off the shooter more, you may have made things worse……🤷🏻‍♂️
 

[LumRaiderFan]

8 minutes ago, thetragichippy said:

I would be interested to hear TVC’s thought on that, but to me, making yourself a target is heroic, but if you end up dead, you have not helped anyone. Throw in the possibility of setting off the shooter more, you may have made things worse……🤷🏻‍♂️
 

I agree with you on this, to go into a situation that is almost suicidal rather than create a game plan makes no sense to me.  But I actually heard this from a retired police officer on one of the cable shows (can’t remember which).  This makes the situation even worse when folks hear this from cops, furthering the storyline that these guys MUST have screwed up.

[tvc184]

1 hour ago, LumRaiderFan said:

I’ve heard law enforcement folks(that weren’t there) say the first officers on site should do all they could to engage the shooter to make themselves the target rather than the kids, what’s your thoughts on that?

Utter nonsense. Accepting serious risks in the job is true. Committing suicide is not.

I can play out a scenario in my mind where we could easily get through the door, several officers are going to rush in like we have been taught, (which is extremely dangerous but hey, it’s what we signed up for) and we take out the bad with a known risk of injury or death. Since I get to pick my thoughts, it is easy to assault the room. 

I have practiced it hundred of times and spending 10 years old swat, have actually done it few times in real life.

That’s easy since I get to pick my own fantasy. What happened in this case is the big question. I have repeated this probably more than a dozen times in different forums  but….. it was a steel door in a steel frame which was deadbolted. I also have read but not confirmed that the door opened outward. It would be extremely difficult to break the door in if the door opened inward and almost impossible if the door opened out right.

So for any officer who makes the claim that he would simply go in, OK, how will you get in? This  wasn’t a guy behind a wooden bedroom door. It was a steel reinforced door with a guy on the other side with a high power rifle with rounds that would likely go through the door and kill someone on the other side. How many minutes and how many officers are going to die by trying to get into this nearly impossible task? One officer pries on the door and a shot killed. To office re rush up to pull him away and two more move up to try to pry open the door. They are shot and go down. So now we have three officers down and two want to try to get into the room. How long does this continue and how many officers are not breaching the room, will continue to die for the sake of claiming to have tried to do something?

BUT……. maybe they had the means to get in within a few seconds. Maybe the Border Patrol had explosive charges to make an explosive entry. Maybe they had some hydraulic door breaching  tools so they could potentially get in quick enough. There might be a very good reason for waiting for the key to get in because that might have been the only practical means of entry. Then the question becomes, when did the key arrive?

That is a lot of maybes and what ifs. Any officer that claims he would’ve gone in is doing so in the fantasy played out in his mind where he gets to set the scenario. MAYBE that was actually possible but do we know? Has anybody seen any evidence that state how the officers could have gotten in earlier? I mean you don’t have to prove it to me in a court of law, simply come out and make the claim. Let the DPS commander say we now know that the key was on scene within three minutes and the BP had the ability to make explosive entry eventually within about 10 minutes of the incident starting but we held back. Okay, now we are getting somewhere.

Monday morning quarterbacks and Chairborne Rangers all know the answers, I just wish they would share them with the rest of us.

 

[tvc184]

49 minutes ago, thetragichippy said:

I would be interested to hear TVC’s thought on that, but to me, making yourself a target is heroic, but if you end up dead, you have not helped anyone. Throw in the possibility of setting off the shooter more, you may have made things worse……🤷🏻‍♂️
 

That is exactly what I meant but in a much shorter format. Yes the officer was heroic but he made matters worse. Like always, we will have a police heroes funeral with a 21 gun salute and Taps. Officers will come from different states to pay their respects.

I have been to probably more than 50 police funerals and fired or commanded the team that fired the 21 gun (technically called 3 volley) salute. I have actually set up about 5-6 police and firefighter funerals. It is a risk that we accept.  Suicide that only adds to the problem should  not be part of that equation. 

[LumRaiderFan]

37 minutes ago, tvc184 said:

Utter nonsense. Accepting serious risks in the job is true. Committing suicide is not.

I can play out a scenario in my mind where we could easily get through the door, several officers are going to rush in like we have been taught, (which is extremely dangerous but hey, it’s what we signed up for) and we take out the bad with a known risk of injury or death. Since I get to pick my thoughts, it is easy to assault the room. 

I have practiced it hundred of times and spending 10 years old swat, have actually done it few times in real life.

That’s easy since I get to pick my own fantasy. What happened in this case is the big question. I have repeated this probably more than a dozen times in different forums  but….. it was a steel door in a steel frame which was deadbolted. I also have read but not confirmed that the door opened outward. It would be extremely difficult to break the door in if the door opened inward and almost impossible if the door opened out right.

So for any officer who makes the claim that he would simply go in, OK, how will you get in? This  wasn’t a guy behind a wooden bedroom door. It was a steel reinforced door with a guy on the other side with a high power rifle with rounds that would likely go through the door and kill someone on the other side. How many minutes and how many officers are going to die by trying to get into this nearly impossible task? One officer pries on the door and a shot killed. To office re rush up to pull him away and two more move up to try to pry open the door. They are shot and go down. So now we have three officers down and two want to try to get into the room. How long does this continue and how many officers are not breaching the room, will continue to die for the sake of claiming to have tried to do something?

BUT……. maybe they had the means to get in within a few seconds. Maybe the Border Patrol had explosive charges to make an explosive entry. Maybe they had some hydraulic door breaching  tools so they could potentially get in quick enough. There might be a very good reason for waiting for the key to get in because that might have been the only practical means of entry. Then the question becomes, when did the key arrive?

That is a lot of maybes and what ifs. Any officer that claims he would’ve gone in is doing so in the fantasy played out in his mind where he gets to set the scenario. MAYBE that was actually possible but do we know? Has anybody seen any evidence that state how the officers could have gotten in earlier? I mean you don’t have to prove it to me in a court of law, simply come out and make the claim. Let the DPS commander say we now know that the key was on scene within three minutes and the BP had the ability to make explosive entry eventually within about 10 minutes of the incident starting but we held back. Okay, now we are getting somewhere.

Monday morning quarterbacks and Chairborne Rangers all know the answers, I just wish they would share them with the rest of us.

 

Thanks for that, unfortunately folks are hearing some of this from some law enforcement, I remember now it was 3 or 4 retired police and military on the “new” Rush Limbaugh show saying this or a version of it, always go in. 

Us laymen don’t know protocol so this basically adds fuel to the fire for the media, and police critics.

[tvc184]

Please take the time for this video. It is an hour long but take time to listen to the first 35 minutes. It is from two veteran officers from the DFW area with some on scene active shooter response including the five officers killed in Dallas. One is an expert in breaching doors.

For those who take time, let me know your thoughts after hearing it.

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11 hours ago, tvc184 said:

Please take the time for this video. It is an hour long but take time to listen to the first 35 minutes. It is from two veteran officers from the DFW area with some on scene active shooter response including the five officers killed in Dallas. One is an expert in breaching doors.

For those who take time, let me know your thoughts after hearing it.

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According to these guys, it makes it look like they could have responded the way they should have.

Makes me wonder why the DPS threw them under the bus so early when there was no way they had time to examine events like these guys did.

[Unwoke]

We’ll said….Lol

 

 

 

[LumRaiderFan]

22 minutes ago, Unwoke said:

We’ll said….Lol

 

 

 

Great comeback.