Arming Teachers

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[SmashMouth]

Lock & load. 

[LumRaiderFan]

5 hours ago, bullets13 said:

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Hopefully this can get more traction.  I can understand the attitude, in the article, of the kindergarten teacher that doesn't want guns around her kids, no one does.  But when something like Uvalde happens and guns ARE around the kids in the bad guys hands, what are the options?

Personally, I would take comfort in knowing my kids were at a school with trained, armed teachers along with school police.

[bullets13]

2 hours ago, LumRaiderFan said:

Hopefully this can get more traction.  I can understand the attitude, in the article, of the kindergarten teacher that doesn't want guns around her kids, no one does.  But when something like Uvalde happens and guns ARE around the kids in the bad guys hands, what are the options?

Personally, I would take comfort in knowing my kids were at a school with trained, armed teachers along with school police.

Teachers have options as well.  A fingerprint safe can be opened in seconds, while students have zero access to the gun.   

[thetragichippy]

Lumberton has had it for 3 or 4 years......no issues 

[SmashMouth]

2 hours ago, LumRaiderFan said:

Personally, I would take comfort in knowing my kids were at a school with trained, armed teachers along with school police.

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[mat]

A properly trained teacher/staff member could handle their duties safely. A district has the right to arm select staff, provide armed officers or do none of the above. That's their prerogative but that's also on them. 

[Hagar]

2 hours ago, LumRaiderFan said:

Hopefully this can get more traction.  I can understand the attitude, in the article, of the kindergarten teacher that doesn't want guns around her kids, no one does.  But when something like Uvalde happens and guns ARE around the kids in the bad guys hands, what are the options?

Personally, I would take comfort in knowing my kids were at a school with trained, armed teachers along with school police.

In my opinion, it’s a nobrainer, although I know a teacher who’s adamantly against it.  Basically doesn’t trust fellow teachers to do the right thing.  Bottom line, I don’t see a 100% fool proof “right thing” that’s practical.  A good start would be building new “Institutions for the Mentally Ill”.  A Copious number of them.  FYI, in 1955 there were 340 beds for the mentally ill per 100,000 population.  In 2005 there were 17 beds per 100,000 population.  Now I’m no scientist, psychiatrist or mathematician,  but that speaks volumes about why we have so many mass shootings and so much crime.  You’ve got so many allegedly smart people trying to figure out why so many mass killings/murders, but I don’t hear this fact being brought up often.  

I have to ask y’all, am I way off base on this or do the “experts” avoid this possible fact for some reason?  And if they’re avoiding it, why?  Is it simply money or something else?  It’s obvious that it’s not simply a gun problem, it’s a people problem.  And what is most peoples first thought?  The guy is nuts.
 

[tvc184]

42 minutes ago, Hagar said:

In my opinion, it’s a nobrainer, although I know a teacher who’s adamantly against it.  Basically doesn’t trust fellow teachers to do the right thing.  Bottom line, I don’t see a 100% fool proof “right thing” that’s practical.  A good start would be building new “Institutions for the Mentally Ill”.  A Copious number of them.  FYI, in 1955 there were 340 beds for the mentally ill per 100,000 population.  In 2005 there were 17 beds per 100,000 population.  Now I’m no scientist, psychiatrist or mathematician,  but that speaks volumes about why we have so many mass shootings and so much crime.  You’ve got so many allegedly smart people trying to figure out why so many mass killings/murders, but I don’t hear this fact being brought up often.  

I have to ask y’all, am I way off base on this or do the “experts” avoid this possible fact for some reason?  And if they’re avoiding it, why?  Is it simply money or something else?  It’s obvious that it’s not simply a gun problem, it’s a people problem.  And what is most peoples first thought?  The guy is nuts.
 

That is because it now violates their rights to put them in an institution. 

[tvc184]

42 minutes ago, Hagar said:

In my opinion, it’s a nobrainer, although I know a teacher who’s adamantly against it.  Basically doesn’t trust fellow teachers to do the right thing.  Bottom line, I don’t see a 100% fool proof “right thing” that’s practical.  A good start would be building new “Institutions for the Mentally Ill”.  A Copious number of them.  FYI, in 1955 there were 340 beds for the mentally ill per 100,000 population.  In 2005 there were 17 beds per 100,000 population.  Now I’m no scientist, psychiatrist or mathematician,  but that speaks volumes about why we have so many mass shootings and so much crime.  You’ve got so many allegedly smart people trying to figure out why so many mass killings/murders, but I don’t hear this fact being brought up often.  

I have to ask y’all, am I way off base on this or do the “experts” avoid this possible fact for some reason?  And if they’re avoiding it, why?  Is it simply money or something else?  It’s obvious that it’s not simply a gun problem, it’s a people problem.  And what is most peoples first thought?  The guy is nuts.
 

When kids are getting mowed down in the school, I wonder if that teacher would mind another teacher being armed?

Here is this scenario with that teacher you spoke who of is adamantly against teachers being armed. Two years later a guy walks into the school and start shooting outside of that  teacher’s room. The “I don’t like other teachers with guns” teacher is frozen in terror  but sees a teacher from across the hall step out and shoots and kills the suspect who only managed to kill one student and injured another. Instead of several dozen injuries and deaths, it is over.

The one who said, I don’t like other teachers to be on, should say:

1. I am so glad that the other teacher was armed.

2. I realized that countless children's lives were saved but it was wrong for that teacher to be armed and to step out and end the threat so quickly. I wish that we had not allowed guns in school. 

[LumRaiderFan]

5 hours ago, bullets13 said:

Teachers have options as well.  A fingerprint safe can be opened in seconds, while students have zero access to the gun.   

Great option, especially with a maniac banging on the door.

[SmashMouth]

17 hours ago, Hagar said:

In my opinion, it’s a nobrainer, although I know a teacher who’s adamantly against it.  Basically doesn’t trust fellow teachers to do the right thing.  Bottom line, I don’t see a 100% fool proof “right thing” that’s practical.  A good start would be building new “Institutions for the Mentally Ill”.  A Copious number of them.  FYI, in 1955 there were 340 beds for the mentally ill per 100,000 population.  In 2005 there were 17 beds per 100,000 population.  Now I’m no scientist, psychiatrist or mathematician,  but that speaks volumes about why we have so many mass shootings and so much crime.  You’ve got so many allegedly smart people trying to figure out why so many mass killings/murders, but I don’t hear this fact being brought up often.  

I have to ask y’all, am I way off base on this or do the “experts” avoid this possible fact for some reason?  And if they’re avoiding it, why?  Is it simply money or something else?  It’s obvious that it’s not simply a gun problem, it’s a people problem.  And what is most peoples first thought?  The guy is nuts.
 

Institutions as an idea on paper were great. Practically, however, they didn’t always work so well. Rusk was an example of how not to run a mental institution. 

[baddog]

2 hours ago, SmashMouth said:

Institutions as an idea on paper were great. Practically, however, they didn’t always work so well. Rusk was an example of how not to run a mental institution. 

Yes, I see what you are saying and hind sight is 20-20. I think about the guy in Beaumont some years back, forgot to take his meds, murdered his mother, cut her head off, placed her head neatly on the nightstand, along side her eyes and brain. The day before, he was walking amongst us in public. Somehow Rusk was a viable option.  
 

I think arming teachers is a great idea. Maybe TVC could teach them a gun safety/training class…. Seriously

[Unwoke]

I bet this cashier was glad her customer was armed. Play stupid games win stupid prizes.

 

 

[5GallonBucket]

16 minutes ago, Unwoke said:

I bet this cashier was glad her customer was armed. Play stupid games win stupid prizes.

 

 

Well he just saved taxpayers money.

thank you sir.

[tvc184]

9 hours ago, baddog said:

Yes, I see what you are saying and hind sight is 20-20. I think about the guy in Beaumont some years back, forgot to take his meds, murdered his mother, cut her head off, placed her head neatly on the nightstand, along side her eyes and brain. The day before, he was walking amongst us in public. Somehow Rusk was a viable option.  
 

I think arming teachers is a great idea. Maybe TVC could teach them a gun safety/training class…. Seriously

I have a question for those that may know….

Let’s say a school goes to a single entry point with metal detectors and security.

Let’s say that teachers and administrators also have to go through the safe security.

If there is no such single point security with metal detectors,  it is not a big deal however……

Let’s say a teacher is carrying a concealed weapon completely legally in Texas both with the consent of the school district and principal and also with additional training in the Texas school marshal program. Does the teacher carry the gun on his person or bring it in before the school year starts and leave it locked away, never to retrieve it to go in and out of the school, check it periodically as should be, etc.

What I am getting at is that if that teacher goes through the security, it will light up like a Christmas tree and part of the program is basically anonymity. So do all teachers get a pass and not go through security since one or more of them may or may not be armed? I am assuming that only students are visitors and not faculty and staff have to go through security: I am just wondering, if only “certain” teachers were allowed to go around security, it might not take long to lose that anonymity.

[tvc184]

17 minutes ago, 5GallonBucket said:

Well he just saved taxpayers money.

thank you sir.

Have y’all seen the video released a month or two ago about the same thing happening in Port Arthur  at the  Church‘s Chicken?

[thetragichippy]

12 minutes ago, tvc184 said:

Have y’all seen the video released a month or two ago about the same thing happening in Port Arthur  at the  Church‘s Chicken?

Did he shoot them through the drive thru or something?

[tvc184]

2 minutes ago, thetragichippy said:

Did he shoot them through the drive thru or something?

Yes. Leaning through the drive through window he shot both robbers. One died and one survived and I believe was just sentenced.

[tvc184]

The best part was on the Facebook, I don’t have any clue about the law, comments.

All of the sidewalk lawyer saying he’s not allowed to do that, he was not an employee, a person has to threaten you personally, and blah blah blah.

[5GallonBucket]

51 minutes ago, tvc184 said:

Have y’all seen the video released a month or two ago about the same thing happening in Port Arthur  at the  Church‘s Chicken?

Yep. Justified

 

[tvc184]

5 minutes ago, 5GallonBucket said:

Yep. Justified

 

Not really even debatable. I mean the police have to look at it because maybe the guy that did the shooting was part of the robbery and saw was going bad and so on. Once you find out it actually is a bystander, case closed.