TABC State Rankings 2022-23/FINAL RANKING

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Coverage area teams in these rankings

 

6A

#2 Beaumont United

 

5A

#13 Lufkin

#16 PA Memorial 

#17 Barbers Hill

 

4A

#3 Silsbee

#15 Hardin-Jefferson

#22 Hamshire-Fannett

 

3A

#12 East Chambers

#14 Central Heights

#18 Orangefield

#23 Diboll

 

2A

#8 Big Sandy

 

1A

#21 Brookeland

[Bobcat1]

On 10/17/2022 at 8:19 PM, AggiesAreWe said:

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Coverage area teams in these rankings

 

6A

#9 Beaumont United

#12 Atascocita

 

5A

#19 Crosby

#21 Lufkin

#25 Barbers Hill

 

4A

#3 Silsbee

#23 Hamshire-Fannett

#25 Hardin-Jefferson

 

3A

#11 Diboll

#13 Crockett

#16 East Chambers

#21 Central Heights

#25 Orangefield

 

2A

#8 Big Sandy

I've been out of the area for a while - Orangefield and HF ranked in a pre-season poll!? Love it! 

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Updated for Nov. 21

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

2 hours ago, AggiesAreWe said:

Updated for Nov. 21

I see a familiar squad is back. 💪🏾😎

[AggiesAreWe]

1 minute ago, Mr. Buddy Garrity said:

I see a familiar squad is back. 💪🏾😎

Yep

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

1 minute ago, AggiesAreWe said:

Yep

Also a little surprised that United dropped so many spots. That national ranking tag I would assume had a little to do with it?? 

[AggiesAreWe]

Just now, Mr. Buddy Garrity said:

Also a little surprised that United dropped so many spots. That national ranking tag I would assume had a little to do with it?? 

IMO, that national ranking is not a good representation but I also don't think there is 16 6A teams better than United. I believe they are a top 10 team. I was surprised they lost to Washington.

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Updated for Nov. 28

[HoopsGuy]

On 10/17/2022 at 8:19 PM, AggiesAreWe said:

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Coverage area teams in these rankings

 

6A

#6 Summer Creek

#12 Beaumont United

#13 Atascocita

 

5A

#10 Lufkin

#18 Barbers Hill

#19 PA Memorial

#20 Crosby

 

4A

#3 Silsbee

#23 Hamshire-Fannett

#25 Hardin-Jefferson

 

3A

#9 Diboll

#11 Crockett

#16 East Chambers

#20 Orangefield

#21 Central Heights

 

2A

#8 Big Sandy

Forgot 1A Brookeland at #24

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Updated for Dec. 5

[bullets13]

We have this conversation every year, but at what point does Silsbee's record hurt them?  I get that it's Silsbee Lite and all that, but some of their losses are to teams that aren't even very good.  I know, I know, they're going to be playing for a trip to state at the end of the year, and they play a tough schedule, but at I just feel that at some point 3-8 has to mean at least a little something.  Let them work their way back up in the rankings when they have their full team and are actually winning some games.  

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1 hour ago, bullets13 said:

We have this conversation every year, but at what point does Silsbee's record hurt them?  I get that it's Silsbee Lite and all that, but some of their losses are to teams that aren't even very good.  I know, I know, they're going to be playing for a trip to state at the end of the year, and they play a tough schedule, but at I just feel that at some point 3-8 has to mean at least a little something.  Let them work their way back up in the rankings when they have their full team and are actually winning some games.  

I tend to agree with you but just out of curiosity, what teams aren't good that Silsbee has lost to?

Here is the list:

Pasadena Dobie

PA Memorial

FW Wyatt

Bellaire Episcopal

Beaumont West Brook (twice)

Angleton

Dallas Madison

[bullets13]

Well, they’ve played a rough schedule, but Wyatt is 1-5 and beat Silsbee by like 50.  Dobie is 8-9, and has a loss to Barbers Hill.  Episcopal is 3-5. Madison is 4-5.  So half of their losses are to teams with losing records.  Admittedly those teams have mostly played tough schedules like Silsbee, but they’re not beating the good teams they’re playing.  They’re not bad teams, but they’re not Duncanville or Faith Family either. West Brook is pretty decent, but half their wins are against a depleted Silsbee team and a mediocre LaGrange squad.  Angleton and PAM are playing pretty well so far, but I don’t think either has played a particularly impressive schedule to this point.  Point being Silsbee hasn’t lost to a bad team, but they’re not losing to truly great teams either.  

[bullets13]

I know they’ll be a different animal completely once the football boys get involved, and I believe they’ll be deserving of a top-5 ranking by the end of the season.  I expect them to make a run to state again, and will be rooting for them to do so. I just believe that results rather than potential has to play at least some part in the rankings.  

[AggiesAreWe]

3 minutes ago, bullets13 said:

Well, they’ve played a rough schedule, but Wyatt is 1-5 and beat Silsbee by like 50.  Dobie is 8-9, and has a loss to Barbers Hill.  Episcopal is 3-5. Madison is 4-5.  So half of their losses are to teams with losing records.  Admittedly those teams have mostly played tough schedules like Silsbee, but they’re not beating the good teams they’re playing.  They’re not bad teams, but they’re not Duncanville or Faith Family either.  

Wyatt is #16 in 5A. Madison is #1 in 3A. Dobie is a very good team. Just watched them in YMBL. BTW, Barbers Hill is #18 in 5A. I would say the Episcopal game (a 10 point loss at Episcopal) was probably the worst loss. But Episcopal has played a very strong schedule so far.

The fact that Silsbee is only playing with a 1/4 of their varsity team against these good teams and competing quite well speaks volumes.

[bullets13]

1 hour ago, AggiesAreWe said:

Wyatt is #16 in 5A. Madison is #1 in 3A. Dobie is a very good team. Just watched them in YMBL. BTW, Barbers Hill is #18 in 5A. I would say the Episcopal game (a 10 point loss at Episcopal) was probably the worst loss. But Episcopal has played a very strong schedule so far.

The fact that Silsbee is only playing with a 1/4 of their varsity team against these good teams and competing quite well speaks volumes.

You definitely know more than me, no argument there.  Just kinda feels like a lot of the ranked teams beating Silsbee are ranked using similar parameters as Silsbee’s ranking: playing and losing to good teams and not being punished for the losses in the rankings.  

 

[JimThorpe]

It's an interesting situation.  What if they didn't look ahead?  Based exclusively on 2022-2023 performance to date, with no looking ahead, Silsbee doesn't belong in the top 25.  On this basis, not looking ahead, people might be wondering if perhaps the coach should have designed a softer preseason schedule.

By the time Silsbee starts winning consistently it will be in January and we'll be in district.  Nobody in district 19 except Silsbee is in the top 25.  That isn't going to impress pollsters who aren't looking ahead.  Silsbee would likely not end the season in the top 20.  

I kind of like this scenario actually.  Nobody is much gunning for a team that isn't even ranked.  The Tigers would be the sleeper of all time.  

But it's impossible.  Almost everybody from a semifinal team is coming back.  The coaches are smart, they know the realities of small town sports.  So they are looking ahead.  They can't help but look ahead.  And if we were voting we'd be looking ahead too.

[JimThorpe]

Forgot Hamshire Fannett, they are ranked as well.  

[bullets13]

What happened at Summer Creek to have them ranked so high this early in the season following up a 16-12 season with a 2nd round exit from the playoffs?  Move ins or something?

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10 minutes ago, bullets13 said:

What happened at Summer Creek to have them ranked so high this early in the season following up a 16-12 season with a 2nd round exit from the playoffs?  Move ins or something?

One transfer in but basically had their whole team back and most believed they were poised for a run this year. The addition of that transfer put them at another level. '6"5 guard from St. Pius that can really score.

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Updated for Dec. 12

[BMTSoulja1]

Love the fact that my T-Wolves moved up 3 spots after a great showing in Utah.  Leap frogged Summer Creek.

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Updated for Dec. 19

[Tyerman]

Orangefield still ranked too low imo for 3A. 

[Bobcat1]

1 hour ago, Tyerman said:

Orangefield still ranked too low imo for 3A. 

Who have the beat that they weren't expected to? I'm asking because I really don't know.