mfd814 Posted March 2, 2023 Report Posted March 2, 2023 Remember it’s an individual award. So he goes from one of top 3 during season , to now he’s not because of no playoffs . He is still in top 3 . And yes, in playoffs is what he would have wanted. KF89 and TrojanMoJo 2 Quote
BBfan061 Posted March 2, 2023 Report Posted March 2, 2023 3 minutes ago, Knox34 said: The kid is a heck of a player So is the OF Kid. Honestly I would’ve been fine with either of the 3 mentioned earlier. Quote
buccaneers4lyfe Posted March 2, 2023 Report Posted March 2, 2023 2 hours ago, Elessar said: Wow... a couple things stand out on this list, and I saw every team in the district when they came to winnie. No superlatives for East Chambers is ridiculous Green not being on first team is ridiculous. Keep in mind We were ranked in the top 15 a good portion of the year. Orangefield only having only 1 guy on 1st team is a joke, Either their coach is the new phil jackson or coaches openly chose to not to vote for EC or Orangefield guys. How is Orangefield even ranked by the looks of this list. Buna having 3 first teamers is absurd, they squeaked into the playoffs in and barely were 500. Soapbox over, footballproud, LoydW, KF89 and 1 other 4 Quote
Knox34 Posted March 2, 2023 Report Posted March 2, 2023 Correct but the award is most valuable player. There isn’t a ton of value when a team has a losing record and doesn’t make the playoffs it’s not the best player award Quote
mfd814 Posted March 2, 2023 Report Posted March 2, 2023 34 minutes ago, Bobcat1 said: Same could be said of EC and OF’s best players. Don’t believe that. They both had others to step up and senior leadership. So if Ragusa doesn’t play, you think OF doesn’t make playoffs ? And EC without Perault? Quote
Knox34 Posted March 2, 2023 Report Posted March 2, 2023 Apparently so did kountze. Had the new comer of the year Quote
Knox34 Posted March 2, 2023 Report Posted March 2, 2023 I don’t think it gets to 3rd round without Pete. No chance in hell. Maybe 1 and done Quote
Knox34 Posted March 2, 2023 Report Posted March 2, 2023 According to the all districts team Buna and kountz had just as many all district players as them. So maybe both would miss the playoffs 🤷🏻♂️ Bobcat1 1 Quote
TxHoops Posted March 2, 2023 Report Posted March 2, 2023 1 hour ago, Knox34 said: To me it can’t be done. You take sells off kountze and they are in no different place when the playoffs come. At home watching like us. You take pete or parrualt off ec or orangefield and things are completely different. To give it to a non playoff team is a disservice to the award. This is not an award to say who the best player in the district in one on one is to me. Maybe I’m wrong All of that ^ Quote
TxHoops Posted March 2, 2023 Report Posted March 2, 2023 22 minutes ago, buccaneers4lyfe said: Wow... a couple things stand out on this list, and I saw every team in the district when they came to winnie. No superlatives for East Chambers is ridiculous Green not being on first team is ridiculous. Keep in mind We were ranked in the top 15 a good portion of the year. Orangefield only having only 1 guy on 1st team is a joke, Either their coach is the new phil jackson or coaches openly chose to not to vote for EC or Orangefield guys. How is Orangefield even ranked by the looks of this list. Buna having 3 first teamers is absurd, they squeaked into the playoffs in and barely were 500. Soapbox over, Very good points all around. As stated earlier, Perrault has to get a superlative. Disrespectful to the kid imo. Bobcat1 1 Quote
footballproud Posted March 2, 2023 Report Posted March 2, 2023 1 hour ago, TxHoops said: Very good points all around. As stated earlier, Perrault has to get a superlative. Disrespectful to the kid imo. Congrats to all these boys!! 409 and district 22-3A has some talent! Bobcat1 and mfd814 2 Quote
Bobcat1 Posted March 2, 2023 Author Report Posted March 2, 2023 11 hours ago, mfd814 said: Don’t believe that. They both had others to step up and senior leadership. So if Ragusa doesn’t play, you think OF doesn’t make playoffs ? And EC without Perault? One and done at best without them. Quote
TxHoops Posted March 2, 2023 Report Posted March 2, 2023 13 hours ago, mfd814 said: I hope you’re being sarcastic. Or you just don’t know Joub. He ain’t that guy. Courts does a lot for Kountze just like Scales. Courts was the other player for Kountze that averaged double digits. No one else made 2nd team for them. Difference I saw, Scales is on a team with multiple talented teammates and senior heavy. Perhaps he was over looked , good thing is he has 3 more years for awards. I figured Sells would get a top award just wasn’t sure which one. No I really believe nekkid pictures were circulating at the all district meeting 🙄 Bobcat1 1 Quote
Knox34 Posted March 2, 2023 Report Posted March 2, 2023 I like that we argue sells had nobody so that’s why they didn’t make playoffs but then turn around and argue courts was good enough to when new comer. I’m just trying to figure this thing out I guess TxHoops and Bobcat1 1 1 Quote
Bobcat1 Posted March 2, 2023 Author Report Posted March 2, 2023 5 minutes ago, Knox34 said: I like that we argue sells had nobody so that’s why they didn’t make playoffs but then turn around and argue courts was good enough to when new comer. I’m just trying to figure this thing out I guess Very, very this. Quote
KHSAlum400 Posted March 2, 2023 Report Posted March 2, 2023 The future is bright for the Kountze Lions! mfd814 and TrojanMoJo 1 1 Quote
LoydW Posted March 2, 2023 Report Posted March 2, 2023 With the district title it seems EC got the shortest end of the stick compared to the other teams. Orangefield as well Bobcat1 1 Quote
gogo173489 Posted March 2, 2023 Report Posted March 2, 2023 13 hours ago, buccaneers4lyfe said: Wow... a couple things stand out on this list, and I saw every team in the district when they came to winnie. No superlatives for East Chambers is ridiculous Green not being on first team is ridiculous. Keep in mind We were ranked in the top 15 a good portion of the year. Orangefield only having only 1 guy on 1st team is a joke, Either their coach is the new phil jackson or coaches openly chose to not to vote for EC or Orangefield guys. How is Orangefield even ranked by the looks of this list. Buna having 3 first teamers is absurd, they squeaked into the playoffs in and barely were 500. Soapbox over, I think the biggest mistake here is Kirbyville having anyone on the 1st team. No offense to the kid that made 1st team, but they were just a bad basketball team along with Warren and Hardin. On the superlatives its all subjective. However, the district champion having zero superlative awards is really strange. Quote
AggiesAreWe Posted March 2, 2023 Report Posted March 2, 2023 13 minutes ago, gogo173489 said: I think the biggest mistake here is Kirbyville having anyone on the 1st team. No offense to the kid that made 1st team, but they were just a bad basketball team along with Warren and Hardin. On the superlatives its all subjective. However, the district champion having zero superlative awards is really strange. I thought so too. Some folks have personally messaged me asking if it was some sort of conspiracy. I have no idea but highly doubt it. Quote
mfd814 Posted March 2, 2023 Report Posted March 2, 2023 Kountze didn’t make playoffs because of match ups and having no size advantage. One freshman , one junior who played JV last year. The tall sophomore underperformed IMO. Still a baby giraffe. I look forward to next season. Not saying because Sells had no help. He had a little help, biggest was from the newcomer. Quote
Bobcat1 Posted March 2, 2023 Author Report Posted March 2, 2023 2 hours ago, AggiesAreWe said: I thought so too. Some folks have personally messaged me asking if it was some sort of conspiracy. I have no idea but highly doubt it. Some coaches (not in this district) are baffled as well. Quote
oldschool2 Posted March 2, 2023 Report Posted March 2, 2023 20 hours ago, Elessar said: My 2 cents: My biggest and really only complaint to this list is the same one I have sinse the "watered down pansies" took over. There should only be 5 on 1st team and 5 on 2nd team. That's literally what it means. If a "1st Team" was selected by the coaches to go play another district, there'd be 5. This is basketball. 1st teamers are "starters" and 2nd teamers are "backups". If it was really done like intended (like college and NBA) then the superlatives would come off of said teams. But whatever. Strange, but I have no problem with the Kountze kid getting MVP. The coaches voted for it... and the kid can definitely play. It's odd that the district champ didn't have one of the top 3 supers (mvp, off-mvp, def-mvp). But they did get COY. I'm just glad there aren't any Co anything.. I can't stand that. Also, Newcomer is always weird. You guys are putting too much into that.. it's literally a person that wasn't varsity last year. I doubt there were very many options. Quote
Bobcat1 Posted March 2, 2023 Author Report Posted March 2, 2023 @Elessar- Do you have Scales' stats for the district only? Quote
TxHoops Posted March 2, 2023 Report Posted March 2, 2023 Look we all want Kountze to be back. I’ve said before SETX basketball is better when the Lions are good. But for point of reference, since Orangefield has dropped down, I think they are like 5-1 against Kountze and the 5 wins have all been beat downs, including two 20+ pieces this year. So to have 2 of the 4 superlatives go to a team that couldn’t even make the top half of the district is a little laughable. Surely someone in that room felt that way. And maybe no one wanted to speak up and tell Joub his team just wasn’t very good. Bobcat1 1 Quote
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