oldschool2 Posted March 7, 2023 Report Share Posted March 7, 2023 20 minutes ago, Mr. Thornton Melon said: It is a buddy system hire but he will do better than Mathews. He was the one responsible for Mathews most successful seasons. Mathews would never recommend a great coach because it would give the fans something to compare his career to. Control Freak !! I wish VISD would have explored the best possible candidates and that they would lose the mindset that Vidor can't run anything else but the Slot-T. It only had a 50% winning percentage there but it's a culture thing Who from that list of applicants posted ^ would you have hired? Just curious. Remember... if a person didn't apply, they probably don't want the job. So who is your pick from the list of applicants? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VHS73 Posted March 7, 2023 Report Share Posted March 7, 2023 Left off Brian Czulno, Harmony-Ft. Worth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WOSdrummer99 Posted March 7, 2023 Report Share Posted March 7, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, SmashMouth said: So out if that list, did the best candidate get the job? ☕️ 🚬 There was 1 with better record. And 3 yet to be given an opportunity to prove themselves. Although I wonder if more would've applied if it was truly opened to all possible candidates. One coach even joined this site just to inquire about the position. His name is not on the list. See how you can lose potentially elite coaches to buddy hires. 🧢 0-0 Robert Deshazo 45-51 Milton Dwayne Dubois 79-51 Ricklan Holmes 0-0 Robie Robbins 3-7 Jake Smith 0-0 Michael Trahan 28-54 Bruce Munden (??? He's claimed in multiple schools in the same year) (8-10) EUREKA UNIFIED SCHOOL DISTRICT 389 Apr 2021 - Present (1-8) Booker ISD May 2019 - Apr 2021 (11-15) Nathan Hale High School May 2017 - Apr 2021 (1-19) Haileyville High School Jun 2015 - Jul 2017 (7-12)Barnsdall High School Aug 2013 - May 2015 Edited March 7, 2023 by WOSdrummer99 Made correction Reagan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
89Falcon Posted March 7, 2023 Report Share Posted March 7, 2023 39 minutes ago, Mr. Thornton Melon said: It is a buddy system hire but he will do better than Mathews. He was the one responsible for Mathews most successful seasons. Mathews would never recommend a great coach because it would give the fans something to compare his career to. Control Freak !! I wish VISD would have explored the best possible candidates and that they would lose the mindset that Vidor can't run anything else but the Slot-T. It only had a 50% winning percentage there but it's a culture thing Just curious why you think Vidor cant win with the Slot T? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DP#1FAN Posted March 8, 2023 Report Share Posted March 8, 2023 17 hours ago, WOSdrummer99 said: There was 1 with better record. And 3 yet to be given an opportunity to prove themselves. Although I wonder if more would've applied if it was truly opened to all possible candidates. One coach even joined this site just to inquire about the position. His name is not on the list. See how you can lose potentially elite coaches to buddy hires. 🧢 0-0 Robert Deshazo 45-51 Milton Dwayne Dubois 79-51 Ricklan Holmes 0-0 Robie Robbins 3-7 Jake Smith 0-0 Michael Trahan 28-54 Bruce Munden (??? He's claimed in multiple schools in the same year) (8-10) EUREKA UNIFIED SCHOOL DISTRICT 389 Apr 2021 - Present (1-8) Booker ISD May 2019 - Apr 2021 (11-15) Nathan Hale High School May 2017 - Apr 2021 (1-19) Haileyville High School Jun 2015 - Jul 2017 (7-12)Barnsdall High School Aug 2013 - May 2015 Wow, some local 2A & 1A schools get bigger candidates list. I'm surprised thought there would be a lot of interest in this opening. Well, it's obvious I know nothing. Coach Dubois congrats and do Vidor Athletics' the best you can. Hagar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool2 Posted March 8, 2023 Report Share Posted March 8, 2023 On 3/7/2023 at 1:15 PM, 89Falcon said: Just curious why you think Vidor cant win with the Slot T? "We need to spread it out because we have speed." - SeTx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Buddy Garrity Posted March 8, 2023 Report Share Posted March 8, 2023 On 3/7/2023 at 11:05 AM, VHS73 said: Applicants for Vidor HC/AD: Robert Deshazo-Lumberton Milton Dwayne Dubois- retired former Vidor, BC, HJRicklan Holmes-Tyler Bruce Munden-Eureka Kansas Robie Robbins-Rockport-Fulton DC Jake Smith-HC Hardin Michael Trahan-Vidor OC Now that would've been interesting. Mr. Thornton Melon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
89Falcon Posted March 8, 2023 Report Share Posted March 8, 2023 22 minutes ago, oldschool2 said: "We need to spread it out because we have speed." - SeTx Never thought of Vidor as "having speed". I wonder if the logic is that "speed is a hinderance to the Slot T"? Or, "we are too fast to properly run the Slot T"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reagan Posted March 8, 2023 Report Share Posted March 8, 2023 We've seen the "the list". Was this all for show with their man already decided on? Was there any "off the record" contacts? Probably not, unless someone on the inside can contradict. The mediocre mindset, or losing mindset, is like the welfare state, it's hard to break away from. Does the I-10 Vidor 0 mindset still permeate the Vidor psyche? Jimmy Johnson once said: "the enemy of great is good". Also from JJ, and I'm paraphrasing: Everyone is in a comfort zone. You have a decent season, maybe make the playoffs. Even if you aren't close to a championship, you think you are successful. Is this where Vidor is at? You go from a losing record coach to a losing record coach and you think you've accomplished something. Thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Thornton Melon Posted March 9, 2023 Report Share Posted March 9, 2023 3 hours ago, Reagan said: We've seen the "the list". Was this all for show with their man already decided on? Was there any "off the record" contacts? Probably not, unless someone on the inside can contradict. The mediocre mindset, or losing mindset, is like the welfare state, it's hard to break away from. Does the I-10 Vidor 0 mindset still permeate the Vidor psyche? Jimmy Johnson once said: "the enemy of great is good". Also from JJ, and I'm paraphrasing: Everyone is in a comfort zone. You have a decent season, maybe make the playoffs. Even if you aren't close to a championship, you think you are successful. Is this where Vidor is at? You go from a losing record coach to a losing record coach and you think you've accomplished something. Thoughts? Correction : It's now Interstate 10 - Vidor 6 and we're cool with that. CardinalBacker 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Thornton Melon Posted March 9, 2023 Report Share Posted March 9, 2023 8 hours ago, Mr. Buddy Garrity said: Now that would've been interesting. He was the most qualified and has a winning record. You're right, It would've been interesting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Buddy Garrity Posted March 9, 2023 Report Share Posted March 9, 2023 1 minute ago, Mr. Thornton Melon said: He was the most qualified and has a winning record. Not sure they would've bought into his offensive scheme. I'm surprised he even applied. I haven't talked to him in a few months, I'm going to hit him up in a few days and see what was the thinking on that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AthleticSupporter - Jock Posted March 9, 2023 Report Share Posted March 9, 2023 15 hours ago, Reagan said: We've seen the "the list". Was this all for show with their man already decided on? Was there any "off the record" contacts? Probably not, unless someone on the inside can contradict. The mediocre mindset, or losing mindset, is like the welfare state, it's hard to break away from. Does the I-10 Vidor 0 mindset still permeate the Vidor psyche? Jimmy Johnson once said: "the enemy of great is good". Also from JJ, and I'm paraphrasing: Everyone is in a comfort zone. You have a decent season, maybe make the playoffs. Even if you aren't close to a championship, you think you are successful. Is this where Vidor is at? You go from a losing record coach to a losing record coach and you think you've accomplished something. Thoughts? I don't know the origin of the phrase but people have been saying versions of it for over 100 years. I like the way Jim Collins describes it. “Good is the enemy of great. And that is one of the key reasons why we have so little that becomes great. We don't have great schools, principally because we have good schools. We don't have great government, principally because we have good government. Few people attain great lives, in large part because it is just so easy to settle for a good life.” I am not questioning the hire. I like Dubois and think a lot of him. I hope the Vidor faithful will support him and give him a chance. Hagar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmashMouth Posted March 9, 2023 Report Share Posted March 9, 2023 A lot of conjecture/unsubstantiated rumor being tossed around about crap that most on here have no idea about. I don’t know Coach DuBois, but I wish him the best of luck. GO RAIDERS! Hagar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hagar Posted March 9, 2023 Report Share Posted March 9, 2023 15 hours ago, Reagan said: We've seen the "the list". Was this all for show with their man already decided on? Was there any "off the record" contacts? Probably not, unless someone on the inside can contradict. The mediocre mindset, or losing mindset, is like the welfare state, it's hard to break away from. Does the I-10 Vidor 0 mindset still permeate the Vidor psyche? Jimmy Johnson once said: "the enemy of great is good". Also from JJ, and I'm paraphrasing: Everyone is in a comfort zone. You have a decent season, maybe make the playoffs. Even if you aren't close to a championship, you think you are successful. Is this where Vidor is at? You go from a losing record coach to a losing record coach and you think you've accomplished something. Thoughts? Curious old buddy, where is Nederland at? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool2 Posted March 9, 2023 Report Share Posted March 9, 2023 16 hours ago, 89Falcon said: Never thought of Vidor as "having speed". I wonder if the logic is that "speed is a hinderance to the Slot T"? Or, "we are too fast to properly run the Slot T"? I was being facetious. Coincidentally.. I like the Slot-T. I also like the spread.. and I like most offensive schemes when ran successfully. None of them are designed to fail. No coach says, "We're going to run this offense.. and hope for a few yards or even getting back to the line of scrimmage. And if not, we'll just punt and try again next drive." They're all designed to lead into substantial gains.. Having said that, the slot-t isn't good for playing catchup. So when you need quick scores or to make up ground, it's not good. But, the slot-t wins state titles every year. Hard to say it isn't effective. I like to think coaches do what they feel puts the team in the best situation to win games based on either their personnel or knowledge. Hagar and AthleticSupporter - Jock 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
89Falcon Posted March 9, 2023 Report Share Posted March 9, 2023 1 hour ago, oldschool2 said: I was being facetious. Coincidentally.. I like the Slot-T. I also like the spread.. and I like most offensive schemes when ran successfully. None of them are designed to fail. No coach says, "We're going to run this offense.. and hope for a few yards or even getting back to the line of scrimmage. And if not, we'll just punt and try again next drive." They're all designed to lead into substantial gains.. Having said that, the slot-t isn't good for playing catchup. So when you need quick scores or to make up ground, it's not good. But, the slot-t wins state titles every year. Hard to say it isn't effective. I like to think coaches do what they feel puts the team in the best situation to win games based on either their personnel or knowledge. Sarcasm understood, Mine was continuing the sarcasm. Agree with you 100%. The Slot T clearly works as do most systems when run and executed correctly. Hagar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigEnosBurdette Posted March 9, 2023 Report Share Posted March 9, 2023 On 3/7/2023 at 1:11 PM, WOSdrummer99 said: There was 1 with better record. And 3 yet to be given an opportunity to prove themselves. Although I wonder if more would've applied if it was truly opened to all possible candidates. One coach even joined this site just to inquire about the position. His name is not on the list. See how you can lose potentially elite coaches to buddy hires. 🧢 0-0 Robert Deshazo 45-51 Milton Dwayne Dubois 79-51 Ricklan Holmes 0-0 Robie Robbins 3-7 Jake Smith 0-0 Michael Trahan 28-54 Bruce Munden (??? He's claimed in multiple schools in the same year) (8-10) EUREKA UNIFIED SCHOOL DISTRICT 389 Apr 2021 - Present (1-8) Booker ISD May 2019 - Apr 2021 (11-15) Nathan Hale High School May 2017 - Apr 2021 (1-19) Haileyville High School Jun 2015 - Jul 2017 (7-12)Barnsdall High School Aug 2013 - May 2015 Deshazo was BC HC for a couple, few years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigEnosBurdette Posted March 9, 2023 Report Share Posted March 9, 2023 So many qualified applicants on this message board, but I'm not seeing the names on the list of people who applied.... Oh thats right, cause air chair/bleacher coaching means absolutely NOTHING! Probably the same people that scream at the TV watching college and pro sports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool2 Posted March 9, 2023 Report Share Posted March 9, 2023 55 minutes ago, 89Falcon said: Sarcasm understood, Mine was continuing the sarcasm. Agree with you 100%. The Slot T clearly works as do most systems when run and executed correctly. It's hilarious to me. The Orangefield Coach/Team was emphatically congratulated on the season they had... while running the Slot-T. Coincidentally, the predicted front runner and spread team of the district (Anahuac).. had their season ended by eventual state champ and another Slot-T team (Franklin). It's almost as if people don't realize the irony. BigEnosBurdette, Hagar, bullets13 and 3 others 4 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WOSdrummer99 Posted March 9, 2023 Report Share Posted March 9, 2023 1 hour ago, BigEnosBurdette said: Deshazo was BC HC for a couple, few years. Think that was a different Deshazo. Reagan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigEnosBurdette Posted March 9, 2023 Report Share Posted March 9, 2023 59 minutes ago, WOSdrummer99 said: Think that was a different Deshazo. Robert Allen Deshazo... same guy. Vidor graduate... coached at lcm, bc, and now lumberton... Possibly somewhere else too. Reagan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WOSdrummer99 Posted March 9, 2023 Report Share Posted March 9, 2023 3 minutes ago, BigEnosBurdette said: Robert Allen Deshazo... same guy. Vidor graduate... coached at lcm, bc, and now lumberton... Possibly somewhere else too. Thanks for the info. Robert Allen Deshazo - 3yrs @ BC 6-21 But does that really change anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigEnosBurdette Posted March 9, 2023 Report Share Posted March 9, 2023 2 minutes ago, WOSdrummer99 said: Thanks for the info. Robert Allen Deshazo - 3yrs @ BC 6-21 But does that really change anything. Clears up your post... "3 yet to be given an opportunity to prove themselves" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prepballfan Posted March 10, 2023 Report Share Posted March 10, 2023 Congrats Vidor I wish you all the best and Hope for many successful seasons. BigEnosBurdette and Hagar 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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