SmashMouth Posted March 20, 2023 Report Share Posted March 20, 2023 10 minutes ago, oldschool2 said: You know what he's saying.. š Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigEnosBurdette Posted March 27, 2023 Report Share Posted March 27, 2023 On 3/16/2023 at 7:03 AM, Bigdog said: What did Vidor run before Matthews got there? '96 Vidor ran the option. HC was Pat Murphy and the OC was PaulĀ Bourgeois (went 5-5).Ā '97 Vidor ran whatever Johnson brought with him from Lumberton and the OC was Benny Ellison (went 2-8). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool2 Posted March 27, 2023 Report Share Posted March 27, 2023 1 hour ago, BigEnosBurdette said: '96 Vidor ran the option. HC was Pat Murphy and the OC was PaulĀ Bourgeois (went 5-5).Ā '97 Vidor ran whatever Johnson brought with him from Lumberton and the OC was Benny Ellison (went 2-8). Was there a classification change? Was there a schedule change? 97 is an odd year.. so probably.Ā Maybe.Ā Surely there were seniors that graduated.. were there any impactful ones that they lost? A lot of things change year to year other than a new coach and new philosophy.Ā It's never mentioned how many things need to go right..Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigEnosBurdette Posted March 28, 2023 Report Share Posted March 28, 2023 18 hours ago, oldschool2 said: Was there a classification change? Was there a schedule change? 97 is an odd year.. so probably.Ā Maybe.Ā Surely there were seniors that graduated.. were there any impactful ones that they lost? A lot of things change year to year other than a new coach and new philosophy.Ā It's never mentioned how many things need to go right..Ā 20-4A in '96 & '97 football seasons.Ā Same schedule and of course we lost seniors lol .... After the '96 football season Vidors HC Pat Murphy left for another coaching job in Monroe, LA (where he is from).Ā After he left the incoming senior class wanted OCĀ Ā PaulĀ Bourgeois to take over as HC (spoke at a school board meeting about wanting Coach Bourgeois as HC) but the school board decided to bring in Kevin Johnson from Lumberton (HORRIBLE Mistake).Ā Johnson brought in his delinquent coaches and only kept a few from the previous regime.Ā All the coaches that left or let go went on to have really good success. Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool2 Posted March 28, 2023 Report Share Posted March 28, 2023 59 minutes ago, BigEnosBurdette said: 20-4A in '96 & '97 football seasons.Ā Same schedule and of course we lost seniors lol .... After the '96 football season Vidors HC Pat Murphy left for another coaching job in Monroe, LA (where he is from).Ā After he left the incoming senior class wanted OCĀ Ā PaulĀ Bourgeois to take over as HC (spoke a school board at a meeting about wanting Coach Bourgeois) but the school board decided to bring in Kevin Johnson from Lumberton (HORRIBLE Mistake).Ā Johnson brought in his delinquent coaches and only kept a few from the previous regime.Ā All the coaches that left or let go went on to have really good success. Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā I love the internet.. I love how you left out the fact that Murphy went 2-8 in 94.Ā and then 0-10 in 95.Ā Whoops.Ā Or that during the 96 season, 3 of those 5 wins were by a margin of a touchdown or less.Ā That matters.. especially if you have some key upperclassmen but may the other team doesn't. Either way.. my point remains.Ā It's literally a different team every year (potentially) depending on which or how many impact players graduate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigEnosBurdette Posted March 28, 2023 Report Share Posted March 28, 2023 42 minutes ago, oldschool2 said: I love the internet.. I love how you left out the fact that Murphy went 2-8 in 94.Ā and then 0-10 in 95.Ā Whoops.Ā Or that during the 96 season, 3 of those 5 wins were by a margin of a touchdown or less.Ā That matters.. especially if you have some key upperclassmen but may the other team doesn't. Either way.. my point remains.Ā It's literally a different team every year (potentially) depending on which or how many impact players graduate. and don't leave out the fact that Vidor was in 22-5A in '94 & '95... playing against teams like North Shore, WB, etc.Ā And does it matter if you win by 1 or 100??? NOPE a win is a win! Either way your point is about as sharp as a spoon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool2 Posted March 28, 2023 Report Share Posted March 28, 2023 1 hour ago, BigEnosBurdette said: and don't leave out the fact that Vidor was in 22-5A in '94 & '95... playing against teams like North Shore, WB, etc.Ā And does it matter if you win by 1 or 100??? NOPE a win is a win! Either way your point is about as sharp as a spoon. By saying that they were in a different classification... but with the same head coach... for justification as two bad years... you're actually helping solidify my point.Ā That a lot can change in a year.Ā Believe it or not, a decent senior class can have just as much impact on the next year's success or lack thereof as a classification change.Ā If you don't understand the point, then perhaps your intellect is about as sharp as a spoon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
89Falcon Posted March 28, 2023 Report Share Posted March 28, 2023 13 minutes ago, oldschool2 said: By saying that they were in a different classification... but with the same head coach... for justification as two bad years... you're actually helping solidify my point.Ā That a lot can change in a year.Ā Believe it or not, a decent senior class can have just as much impact on the next year's success or lack thereof as a classification change.Ā If you don't understand the point, then perhaps your intellect is about as sharp as a spoon. Yep, a lot can change in a year. With a strong SR class coaches can look brilliant one year and clueless the next year when they graduate. This is particularly the case in the smaller classifications.Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigEnosBurdette Posted March 28, 2023 Report Share Posted March 28, 2023 5 hours ago, oldschool2 said: By saying that they were in a different classification... but with the same head coach... for justification as two bad years... you're actually helping solidify my point.Ā That a lot can change in a year.Ā Believe it or not, a decent senior class can have just as much impact on the next year's success or lack thereof as a classification change.Ā If you don't understand the point, then perhaps your intellect is about as sharp as a spoon. You are 1million% correctā¦ playing schools like WB, North Shore, TJ, Baytowns (when they were good), LaPorte has ZERO to do a schools/HCās record. Itās all about the senior class. šš¤£ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool2 Posted March 29, 2023 Report Share Posted March 29, 2023 13 hours ago, BigEnosBurdette said: You are 1million% correctā¦ playing schools like WB, North Shore, TJ, Baytowns (when they were good), LaPorte has ZERO to do a schools/HCās record. Itās all about the senior class. šš¤£ I'm not sure what it is about posters on this site not being able to read posts in their entirety.Ā Graduation of impact players..... Reclassification..... those are two DIFFERENT factors that CAN significantly change a school's success from one year to another.Ā When BOTH happen together, it can be especially detrimental. Now.. I can't explain simpler than that.Ā If you still don't understand, then I don't know...Ā 89Falcon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigEnosBurdette Posted March 29, 2023 Report Share Posted March 29, 2023 37 minutes ago, oldschool2 said: I'm not sure what it is about posters on this site not being able to read posts in their entirety.Ā Graduation of impact players..... Reclassification..... those are two DIFFERENT factors that CAN significantly change a school's success from one year to another.Ā When BOTH happen together, it can be especially detrimental. Now.. I can't explain simpler than that.Ā If you still don't understand, then I don't know...Ā Itās your flawed āold schoolā thinking. But to each their own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool2 Posted March 29, 2023 Report Share Posted March 29, 2023 24 minutes ago, BigEnosBurdette said: Itās your flawed āold schoolā thinking. But to each their own. It's a flawed "old school" thinking to think that moving into a new district might influence how well/poorly a team might do?Ā Or that graduating impact players might influence it as well? Or it's a flawed, "old school" way of thinking to believe that those are two completely separate factors? I don't guess I understand what you meant by that.Ā Educate me, young man.Ā Since my mind is too old school to understand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hagar Posted March 30, 2023 Report Share Posted March 30, 2023 Amazing that here on this Forum thereās so few giving DuBois a chance. Ā Just what the Vidor program doesnāt need, having their heads filled with doubts over the new Coach. Ā Hope the players get behind him 110% and prove all the naysayers wrong. Go Pirates! Ā ā ļøā ļøā ļøā ļøā ļøā ļø Separation Scientist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KF89 Posted March 30, 2023 Report Share Posted March 30, 2023 39 minutes ago, Hagar said: Amazing that here on this Forum thereās so few giving DuBois a chance. Ā Just what the Vidor program doesnāt need, having their heads filled with doubts over the new Coach. Ā Hope the players get behind him 110% and prove all the naysayers wrong. Go Pirates! Ā ā ļøā ļøā ļøā ļøā ļøā ļø I am sure the 45-51 overall record & 10-37 record his last 5 years as a head coach has some Vidor fans skeptical. No doubt the players will be fired up& ready to go, Can Dubois getĀ back to his 2014\2016 winning ways.... VidorPirate 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool2 Posted March 30, 2023 Report Share Posted March 30, 2023 1 hour ago, Hagar said: Amazing that here on this Forum thereās so few giving DuBois a chance. Ā Just what the Vidor program doesnāt need, having their heads filled with doubts over the new Coach. Ā Hope the players get behind him 110% and prove all the naysayers wrong. Go Pirates! Ā ā ļøā ļøā ļøā ļøā ļøā ļø Seriously?Ā Have you not been on this forum long?Ā I understand the game.. but this is the mecca of: number of unathletic kids per unrealistic parents, facilities were good enough for grandpa so they're good enough for me, can't work out during summers because (insert excuse), can't pay for experienced coaches but expect experienced coaches, then fire the coach because they didn't win a title by week 4. You're really surprised?Ā Welcome to the show. By the way.. the players WILL likely get behind him.Ā It's the experts that won't, if anyone.Ā bullets13, BEARCPA, Mr. Buddy Garrity and 3 others 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Separation Scientist Posted March 30, 2023 Report Share Posted March 30, 2023 6 hours ago, Hagar said: Amazing that here on this Forum thereās so few giving DuBois a chance. Ā Just what the Vidor program doesnāt need, having their heads filled with doubts over the new Coach. Ā Hope the players get behind him 110% and prove all the naysayers wrong. Go Pirates! Ā ā ļøā ļøā ļøā ļøā ļøā ļø I would try to thrive on that. Everybody blows you off...run in stealth mode, then shock 'em on Friday night. We ought to support our local teams. Good luck to the new coach and Vidor.Ā Ā Hagar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Thornton Melon Posted March 31, 2023 Report Share Posted March 31, 2023 The Pirates will improve with DuBois as the head coach. I'm not a fan of the Slot-T or the mindset that a team cant run anything but the Slot-T . If its imperativeĀ that we have to run it then DuBois is a good choice. A little evolution wouldve been nice but it is what it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hagar Posted April 1, 2023 Report Share Posted April 1, 2023 On 3/30/2023 at 10:53 AM, oldschool2 said: Seriously?Ā Have you not been on this forum long?Ā I understand the game.. but this is the mecca of: number of unathletic kids per unrealistic parents, facilities were good enough for grandpa so they're good enough for me, can't work out during summers because (insert excuse), can't pay for experienced coaches but expect experienced coaches, then fire the coach because they didn't win a title by week 4. You're really surprised?Ā Welcome to the show. By the way.. the players WILL likely get behind him.Ā It's the experts that won't, if anyone.Ā Been on a many a moon. Ā Still, folks never cease to amaze. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SETX7273 Posted May 6, 2023 Report Share Posted May 6, 2023 On 3/8/2023 at 3:30 PM, Mr. Buddy Garrity said: Now that would've been interesting.Ā He was honestly the best candidate on paper. Went to the semifinals at JT. But I'm sure, NOT THE RIGHT FIT" lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Buddy Garrity Posted May 6, 2023 Report Share Posted May 6, 2023 2 minutes ago, SETX7273 said: He was honestly the best candidate on paper. Went to the semifinals at JT. But I'm sure, NOT THE RIGHT FIT" lol You're 100% correct in bold. Glad you agree. Nice first post.Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Thornton Melon Posted May 7, 2023 Report Share Posted May 7, 2023 On 5/5/2023 at 7:44 PM, SETX7273 said: He was honestly the best candidate on paper. Went to the semifinals at JT. But I'm sure, NOT THE RIGHT FIT" lol I agree šÆ Mr. Buddy Garrity 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigEnosBurdette Posted May 8, 2023 Report Share Posted May 8, 2023 On 3/30/2023 at 10:53 AM, oldschool2 said: Seriously?Ā Have you not been on this forum long?Ā I understand the game.. but this is the mecca of: number of unathletic kids per unrealistic parents, facilities were good enough for grandpa so they're good enough for me, can't work out during summers because (insert excuse), can't pay for experienced coaches but expect experienced coaches, then fire the coach because they didn't win a title by week 4. You're really surprised?Ā Welcome to the show. By the way.. the players WILL likely get behind him.Ā It's the experts that won't, if anyone.Ā When was the last time you stepped foot in the weight room at Vidor?Ā When was the last time you stepped foot on the new playing surface?Ā When was the last time you stepped foot on the gym floor?Ā Vidors weight room has new weights and weigh racks.Ā Vidor is also able to use the weight room to practice indoors when weather is not cooperating thanks to the turf in the weight room. Ā Ā Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmashMouth Posted May 8, 2023 Report Share Posted May 8, 2023 3 hours ago, BigEnosBurdette said: When was the last time you stepped foot in the weight room at Vidor?Ā When was the last time you stepped foot on the new playing surface?Ā When was the last time you stepped foot on the gym floor?Ā Vidors weight room has new weights and weigh racks.Ā Vidor is also able to use the weight room to practice indoors when weather is not cooperating thanks to the turf in the weight room. Ā Ā Ā Vidor has a nice weight room and an excellent strength and conditioning program. Oldschool2 is just regurgitating things he picked up on the playground, I suppose. Trying to sound cool, but nothing specific to address = silly post.Ā BigEnosBurdette 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool2 Posted May 8, 2023 Report Share Posted May 8, 2023 3 hours ago, BigEnosBurdette said: When was the last time you stepped foot in the weight room at Vidor?Ā When was the last time you stepped foot on the new playing surface?Ā When was the last time you stepped foot on the gym floor?Ā Vidors weight room has new weights and weigh racks.Ā Vidor is also able to use the weight room to practice indoors when weather is not cooperating thanks to the turf in the weight room. Ā Ā Ā Did I say that entire post applied to Vidor specifically?Ā I replied with that post describing the area as a whole..Ā I've personally seen posters make those exact arguments over the years on this very site. Anyways.. my post was also in response to someone that "couldn't believe that people are already seemingly not getting behind the new coach"... which is widely represented in the examples I've seen from this AREA.Ā Only a moron would assume I'm talking about every individual school in the area.Ā There are obviously exceptions.Ā Always. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool2 Posted May 8, 2023 Report Share Posted May 8, 2023 39 minutes ago, SmashMouth said: Vidor has a nice weight room and an excellent strength and conditioning program. Oldschool2 is just regurgitating things he picked up on the playground, I suppose. Trying to sound cool, but nothing specific to address = silly post.Ā Oldshool2 is giving examples similar to what's seen time and time again on this forum.Ā Coincidentally, based on the comments leading up to my other post.. I believe I can successfully add Vidor to my list of schools that don't support their head football coach because (insert excuse).Ā Great job on the updated facilities, though.Ā That's a start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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