Best Player Ever

[5GallonBucket]

On 6/6/2023 at 10:23 PM, 72 Pinto said:

Thanks.  I expected more from the Beaumont crowd.  Maybe Nederland too, but they're preoccupied with bashing their own football program right now.  And speaking of Bulldogs, I heard BJ Tyler is going to be the next coach at Kelly.  Anyone else hear that?

Speaking of kelly

where does Edward persia fall?

[TxHoops]

5 hours ago, 5GallonBucket said:

Speaking of kelly

where does Edward persia fall?

Pretty high.  He was one of my wife’s students when she taught at Kelly, so I kept following him at Princeton.  Obviously that list begins and ends with J’Covan but is Persia #2?  I can’t think of anyone I would put in front of him.  Little Langston has a shot. 

[5GallonBucket]

2 hours ago, TxHoops said:

Pretty high.  He was one of my wife’s students when she taught at Kelly, so I kept following him at Princeton.  Obviously that list begins and ends with J’Covan but is Persia #2?  I can’t think of anyone I would put in front of him.  Little Langston has a shot. 

So who gets to claim j covan pa or Kelly 

kinda like troop. Lcm or hj.

Me and Persia had our battle s from jh thru high school. I loved competing against him.

[TxHoops]

21 minutes ago, 5GallonBucket said:

So who gets to claim j covan pa or Kelly 

kinda like troop. Lcm or hj.

Me and Persia had our battle s from jh thru high school. I loved competing against him.

I would say both.  If have to pick, where they graduated.  But Throop is easily the best I’ve seen at LCM. He’s top 10 at HJ.  

[72 Pinto]

4 hours ago, TxHoops said:

Pretty high.  He was one of my wife’s students when she taught at Kelly, so I kept following him at Princeton.  Obviously that list begins and ends with J’Covan but is Persia #2?  I can’t think of anyone I would put in front of him.  Little Langston has a shot. 

J'Covan, Persia, Mullens.

Little Langston was probably the third best freshman in the area last year behind Garrett at WB and Nederland pg, but he doesn't go to Kelly anymore.  PNG kid.  Their best ever is Joel Lafleur.

[Tyler Dixson]

On 6/6/2023 at 10:23 PM, 72 Pinto said:

Thanks.  I expected more from the Beaumont crowd.  Maybe Nederland too, but they're preoccupied with bashing their own football program right now.  And speaking of Bulldogs, I heard BJ Tyler is going to be the next coach at Kelly.  Anyone else hear that?

Nederland has only one person to even be considered. It’s Colton, a wide gap, and then 3 or 4 more players to be considered. That’s no disrespect to the other guys, but Colton was in a league of his own. 

[navydawg31]

3 hours ago, Tyler Dixson said:

Nederland has only one person to even be considered. It’s Colton, a wide gap, and then 3 or 4 more players to be considered. That’s no disrespect to the other guys, but Colton was in a league of his own. 

Pretty much this sums up for best player For Nederland… would be fun to debate and talk about everyone’s opinion on 2nd and 3rd best from Nederland… 

[72 Pinto]

4 hours ago, Tyler Dixson said:

Nederland has only one person to even be considered. It’s Colton, a wide gap, and then 3 or 4 more players to be considered. That’s no disrespect to the other guys, but Colton was in a league of his own. 

Respectfully disagree.  Hefner chose A&M over offers from Houston and Oklahoma.  Weisbrod went to New Orleans/Lamar.  I'll take Hefner over Weisbrod.

Jamie Weaver went to Houston and was on the Phi Slamma Jamma teams.  I'll take him over Hefner.

Buddy Davis won an Olympic gold medal and two NBA titles in the 50's.  He's your winner for Nederland.  Don't tell Colton's dad I said that, though!

 

 

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

27 minutes ago, 72 Pinto said:

Respectfully disagree.  Hefner chose A&M over offers from Houston and Oklahoma.  Weisbrod went to New Orleans/Lamar.  I'll take Hefner over Weisbrod.

Jamie Weaver went to Houston and was on the Phi Slamma Jamma teams.  I'll take him over Hefner.

Buddy Davis won an Olympic gold medal and two NBA titles in the 50's.  He's your winner for Nederland.  Don't tell Colton's dad I said that, though!

 

 

So where you choose to go to college dictates who's the better HS player? Hmmm ok. 

[Football_Fan11]

27 minutes ago, Mr. Buddy Garrity said:

So where you choose to go to college dictates who's the better HS player? Hmmm ok. 

I would say a player’s offer list is pretty telling of a players ability regardless of sport. Sure there are misses, but not all that often. 

[72 Pinto]

27 minutes ago, Mr. Buddy Garrity said:

So where you choose to go to college dictates who's the better HS player? Hmmm ok. 

You're missing the point.  Where you are offered to go to college indicates who the better players are.  Weisbrod would have surely chosen to go to a school like A&M instead of Lamar had that been on the table.

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

3 minutes ago, Football_Fan11 said:

I would say a player’s offer list is pretty telling of a players ability regardless of sport. Sure there are misses, but not all that often. 

Alot of folks missed on Weisbrod. 

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And no @72 Pinto I'm not missing your point, but eye test in my opinion and alot of folks opinion on and off here Weisbrod was the better HS player. 

 

I've said numerous times Hef would be the better college player but he was not better than Weisbrod on the HS level. 

 

Also: they played different positions. 

 

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[72 Pinto]

9 hours ago, Mr. Buddy Garrity said:

Alot of folks missed on Weisbrod. 

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And no @72 Pinto I'm not missing your point, but eye test in my opinion and alot of folks opinion on and off here Weisbrod was the better HS player. 

 

I've said numerous times Hef would be the better college player but he was not better than Weisbrod on the HS level. 

 

Also: they played different positions. 

 

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That's a fair point and maybe he was a better player while Hefner was a better prospect.  The title of the thread is best player ever at a school and I think you have to go with the guy with NBA rings (Davis) over a 6'4 post who kind of sniffed some semi pro workouts.

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

3 minutes ago, 72 Pinto said:

That's a fair point and maybe he was a better player while Hefner was a better prospect.  The title of the thread is best player ever at a school and I think you have to go with the guy with NBA rings (Davis) over a 6'4 post who kind of sniffed some semi pro workouts.

When I see the title of the thread I think of best HS player. 🤷🏾‍♂️ 

[72 Pinto]

I guess I was not very specific on the parameters of the topic.  Oh well.  It's a crappy thread if there isn't any arguing or debating!

[5GallonBucket]

I remember a couple of players from Brookeland in the late 90s/early 2000s that we’re really good.

[TxHoops]

Weisbrod was the mvp of the State his senior year.  He was an undersized 4 at the next level so that dictated his offers.  A 6-4 SG is more marketable at the collegiate level than a 6-5 (at best) PF.  However, if it’s the best HS player, it’s gotta be Weisbrod.  And I love me some Hef.  As for the other guys, way before my time so can’t speak to them.  

Colton is also on the very short list of best players in SETX in the last decade. 

[5GallonBucket]

Evadale….Jason W.

[BMTSoulja1]

A Heff/Wiesbrod debate is laughable at best.  The gab between their  high school talents and skills are as wide as the Pacific Ocean.  

[BADSANTA]

On 6/6/2023 at 12:48 PM, TxHoops said:

Brandi McCain might be the correct answer to the question.  Whatever the female version of “stud” is, that was her. 

Yes along with Laquan Stallworth. They were something special for sure. 

[BADSANTA]

For Hardin Jefferson, would it Bosh or Spears? Prudhomme? Ryan Donahoe?

[buccaneers4lyfe]

1 hour ago, BADSANTA said:

For Hardin Jefferson, would it Bosh or Spears? Prudhomme? Ryan Donahoe?

Donahoe, got them a ship!

[Tyler Dixson]

On 6/10/2023 at 8:54 AM, 72 Pinto said:

I guess I was not very specific on the parameters of the topic.  Oh well.  It's a crappy thread if there isn't any arguing or debating!

Even if you want to go with Hefner as the collegiate player he has had a hard time finding a role on the team. Weisbrod was a very very good player once he moved back home. Dominated the juco level and then came in and was one of the top 5 players in the confrence for two years. 

Jamie Weaver averaged 3 points a game at Houston and then had to transfer to Hawaii where he didn’t even end up finishing out playing basketball. 

If you want to go with the guy who played HS ball in the 40s and 50s go ahead I guess. 

Point is, those other two have been to better programs, and Hefner was 100% the better prospect, but no one who has played at Nederland has been better than Colton. 

[72 Pinto]

10 hours ago, Tyler Dixson said:

Even if you want to go with Hefner as the collegiate player he has had a hard time finding a role on the team. Weisbrod was a very very good player once he moved back home. Dominated the juco level and then came in and was one of the top 5 players in the confrence for two years. 

Jamie Weaver averaged 3 points a game at Houston and then had to transfer to Hawaii where he didn’t even end up finishing out playing basketball. 

If you want to go with the guy who played HS ball in the 40s and 50s go ahead I guess. 

Point is, those other two have been to better programs, and Hefner was 100% the better prospect, but no one who has played at Nederland has been better than Colton. 

Maybe where you're from, winning a gold medal and NBA titles is common enough to disregard?  Maybe Hefner and Jamie Weaver would have dominated juco and southland basketball.  We'll never know, but we do know that Weisbrod couldn't play at A&M or Houston because they didn't offer him a scholarship.

Everyone has their own opinions and that's what makes this fun.  Hell, I once saw someone rank themselves top 10 all time at a school they didn't even go to.  You never no what other people think and there's really no wrong answers.

[Tyler Dixson]

29 minutes ago, 72 Pinto said:

Maybe where you're from, winning a gold medal and NBA titles is common enough to disregard?  Maybe Hefner and Jamie Weaver would have dominated juco and southland basketball.  We'll never know, but we do know that Weisbrod couldn't play at A&M or Houston because they didn't offer him a scholarship.

Everyone has their own opinions and that's what makes this fun.  Hell, I once saw someone rank themselves top 10 all time at a school they didn't even go to.  You never no what other people think and there's really no wrong answers.

So are you ranking them on offers and what they did after high school or what they did in school? You’re moving the goalposts every post 😂