2024 WOS Mustangs

[SmashMouth]

11 hours ago, WOSdrummer99 said:

How does one approach a job knowing it's not gonna last more than another season? If they want another opportunity I could see them trying to correct the mistakes made in the last 2 years. But if they have a job outside of coaching in mind, the record won't matter. Neither will the effort.

If they're hired as the heir apparent, then it won't matter. Go in as an assistant, learn about the kids you have, get a feel for the community and the school board and hit the ground running after the current AD/HC is gone. 

[SmashMouth]

15 hours ago, #1stangfan said:

They need to make a change and it is HH. I don’t know that any assistant with upside wants the risk that this regime brings with it.  Then in the event they do move on from HH, those coaches have risked a lot for one year and probably a season they don’t want to put on their resume. 

I think the risk is much less than what it appears. It's actually positive if you think about it. Come in and take over after a year as an assistant. If you turn the program around after 3 down years, you're a hero. If you don't turn it around, you weren't meant for the job either.

[Mustang1980]

We are now experiencing what it is like to hire a head coach with no head coaching experience. First thing he does is change offense and defense. Lack of success and lack of discipline have kids leaving the program. We have the same kids as Gilmer. Difference is in coaching. There was a time when kids wanted to wear that Mustang helmet from the time they were babies. They dreamed of that day when they could put on the blue and silver and run out on the field. Mustangs had swagger and it all started with quality coaching and high expectations and discipline. By the way, kids gravitate toward discipline instinctively. They instinctively gravitate toward accountability. These are good things that lead to success. You are getting what you are going to get out of HH. This is it. It’s time to hold RH and HH accountable for their records. Look at what is happening over at PNG. Oh that’s right… they went out and searched the state and opened up their wallet for Jeff Joseph and look at the results. WOS should be running deep into the playoffs every year and be in the running to make it to state. Right now we are a fourth place team at best limping into the playoffs with zero confidence and zero quality coaching.  Our community and kids deserve better.  RH and HH should be fired. By the way, RH’s record in improving academic scores is abysmal . A real superintendent committed to academics and athletics is needed. In addition a real extensive and exhaustive search for a quality HC AD REGARDLESS OF COLOR is needed immediately. We cannot be okay with average whether it’s academic or athletic. Say what you want, a successful winning WOS football program charges our community and brings us all together. We cannot sit by and let 43 years of Mustang  tradition die without speaking up.

[wo-s#1]

36 minutes ago, Mustang1980 said:

We are now experiencing what it is like to hire a head coach with no head coaching experience. First thing he does is change offense and defense. Lack of success and lack of discipline have kids leaving the program. We have the same kids as Gilmer. Difference is in coaching. There was a time when kids wanted to wear that Mustang helmet from the time they were babies. They dreamed of that day when they could put on the blue and silver and run out on the field. Mustangs had swagger and it all started with quality coaching and high expectations and discipline. By the way, kids gravitate toward discipline instinctively. They instinctively gravitate toward accountability. These are good things that lead to success. You are getting what you are going to get out of HH. This is it. It’s time to hold RH and HH accountable for their records. Look at what is happening over at PNG. Oh that’s right… they went out and searched the state and opened up their wallet for Jeff Joseph and look at the results. WOS should be running deep into the playoffs every year and be in the running to make it to state. Right now we are a fourth place team at best limping into the playoffs with zero confidence and zero quality coaching.  Our community and kids deserve better.  RH and HH should be fired. By the way, RH’s record in improving academic scores is abysmal . A real superintendent committed to academics and athletics is needed. In addition a real extensive and exhaustive search for a quality HC AD REGARDLESS OF COLOR is needed immediately. We cannot be okay with average whether it’s academic or athletic. Say what you want, a successful winning WOS football program charges our community and brings us all together. We cannot sit by and let 43 years of Mustang  tradition die without speaking up.

I agree with everything except in the beginning you said we are experiencing what it’s like hiring a first time HC.Are you saying that’s why we’re less than average?He is the reason we’re experiencing this but it’s not because he’s a first time HC,look over at PNG…He and HH started last year,did you see Aledo last night!They haven’t missed a beat with their first year new HC!

[Mustang1980]

41 minutes ago, wo-s#1 said:

I agree with everything except in the beginning you said we are experiencing what it’s like hiring a first time HC.Are you saying that’s why we’re less than average?He is the reason we’re experiencing this but it’s not because he’s a first time HC,look over at PNG…He and HH started last year,did you see Aledo last night!They haven’t missed a beat with their first year new HC!

Point taken. Difference is HH jumped right over more qualified and proven coaches on CTs staff. He will always field average to below average teams  as head coach. What we have seen is what we will always get….period. He ain’t the guy that’s going to carry on the Mustang tradition built by many years of hard work by the players coaches teacher community…. Everyone! If you’re happy with average to below average then keep the man as head coach but know what you have! Ultimately our kids pay the price. We should expect nothing but excellence for our school and athletic programs.

[wo-s#1]

51 minutes ago, Mustang1980 said:

 

[wo-s#1]

52 minutes ago, Mustang1980 said:

Point taken. Difference is HH jumped right over more qualified and proven coaches on CTs staff. He will always field average to below average teams  as head coach. What we have seen is what we will always get….period. He ain’t the guy that’s going to carry on the Mustang tradition built by many years of hard work by the players coaches teacher community…. Everyone! If you’re happy with average to below average then keep the man as head coach but know what you have! Ultimately our kids pay the price. We should expect nothing but excellence for our school and athletic programs.

All truth,hopefully change is coming soon for the better 

[Judex]

Kendall coming back would be amazing. Toby coming back would be amazing. If we had a time machine and could undo losing Cornell that would be amazing and I suspect at least some of the idiots that promoted this awful turn of events would change their minds. People from the outside just DO NOT GET IT.

This was all predicted.

[SmashMouth]

3 hours ago, Mustang1980 said:

Point taken. Difference is HH jumped right over more qualified and proven coaches on CTs staff. He will always field average to below average teams  as head coach. What we have seen is what we will always get….period. He ain’t the guy that’s going to carry on the Mustang tradition built by many years of hard work by the players coaches teacher community…. Everyone! If you’re happy with average to below average then keep the man as head coach but know what you have! Ultimately our kids pay the price. We should expect nothing but excellence for our school and athletic programs.

At least athletic programs. 

[ladybug33]

30 minutes ago, Judex said:

Kendall coming back would be amazing. Toby coming back would be amazing. If we had a time machine and could undo losing Cornell that would be amazing and I suspect at least some of the idiots that promoted this awful turn of events would change their minds. People from the outside just DO NOT GET IT.

This was all predicted.

They don't and they never will!

[RedJollyRoger]

It was interesting to hear Aledo's new HC talk about the importance of not changing a single thing when he took over from his OC role. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. I understand circumstances were different for WOS but it's obvious nobody is happy. Also, it seems if there's no change at Supt. level, you won't get a well seasoned, successful Coach to sign up anyway. On paper, it would be a great opportunity but the reality of it looms much larger. Hang in there Stangs!

[wo-s#1]

1 hour ago, RedJollyRoger said:

It was interesting to hear Aledo's new HC talk about the importance of not changing a single thing when he took over from his OC role. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. I understand circumstances were different for WOS but it's obvious nobody is happy. Also, it seems if there's no change at Supt. level, you won't get a well seasoned, successful Coach to sign up anyway. On paper, it would be a great opportunity but the reality of it looms much larger. Hang in there Stangs!

I thought the same thing last night when he was doing his interview and stressing about not changing a thing…only a fool or greedy one would want to.

[Mustang1980]

I can only imagine how tough it is for CT. He left the program with eight returning starters on offense and defense from a team that was two games away from state and watched it all disintegrate overnight. We have the same athletes as Gilmer. I do not understand any of this is acceptable. RH and HH are outsiders and don’t belong. Wrecking our tradition. You are right but outsiders never understanding what it TRULY means to wear that silver hat. Sad!

[WOSdrummer99]

We are now 6 losses away from giving the #1 spot to Southlake Carroll. 

2022 5-6

2023 5-6

2024 6-6 ???

At this point that would be considered successful. Smh

[AledoAlumni]

22 hours ago, wo-s#1 said:

He and HH started last year,did you see Aledo last night!They haven’t missed a beat with their first year new HC!

To be fair Coach Jones has been with Aledo for awhile. He was the LB coach in '06 when I played. I think he was at Aledo a couple of years before that. 

[Mustang1980]

Probably the big reason why coach Jones is so successful is that he didn’t try to fix what was not broken. In addition he fully embraced the longstanding culture and expectations. Tradition is important. When CT was hired as head coach he had already been in the program for 30 years. He was a huge part in building the program at WOS. In Contrast HH changed offense and defense immediately. The kids were confused. Lack of discipline ensued and now the program is just another average program.  You Dont have to be an experienced football coach to see the lack of organization on the field of play . WOS has been blessed with an abundance of top level student athletes year in a year out. It is not fair to our kids to not have the best coaches we can get. You can take a look at PNG and what they have done. They went out and hired Jeff Joseph and the results speak for themselves. PNG will be formidable year in and out with a coaching staff like that. PNG does not have the athletes that WOS but they do have the coaching. WOS no longer scares opponents when they see them on their schedule. It is so frustrating as a lifelong Mustang to see what is happening to our kids.

[WOSdrummer99]

33 minutes ago, Mustang1980 said:

Probably the big reason why coach Jones is so successful is that he didn’t try to fix what was not broken. In addition he fully embraced the longstanding culture and expectations. Tradition is important. When CT was hired as head coach he had already been in the program for 30 years. He was a huge part in building the program at WOS. In Contrast HH changed offense and defense immediately. The kids were confused. Lack of discipline ensued and now the program is just another average program.  You Dont have to be an experienced football coach to see the lack of organization on the field of play . WOS has been blessed with an abundance of top level student athletes year in a year out. It is not fair to our kids to not have the best coaches we can get. You can take a look at PNG and what they have done. They went out and hired Jeff Joseph and the results speak for themselves. PNG will be formidable year in and out with a coaching staff like that. PNG does not have the athletes that WOS but they do have the coaching. WOS no longer scares opponents when they see them on their schedule. It is so frustrating as a lifelong Mustang to see what is happening to our kids.

+112%

[SmashMouth]

On 12/17/2023 at 7:45 AM, Mustang1980 said:

It is not fair to our kids to not have the best coaches we can get.

Isn't that true for most/all programs? Yet that's rarely the case...

[WOSdrummer99]

15 hours ago, SmashMouth said:

Isn't that true for most/all programs? Yet that's rarely the case...

Yes. But who wants to coach at west hardin? And how many applied for the BC job? 

We're talking about a proven perennial power with a history of Jim's and Joe's. And it don't take Todd Dodge to make a decent hire. Although I believe if we had hired JJ we'd be looking at for 3pete in 24. Instead of hoping to make the playoffs. And hoping the nucleus of the team doesn't use their cousins address in another district.

[SmashMouth]

10 hours ago, WOSdrummer99 said:

Yes. But who wants to coach at west hardin? And how many applied for the BC job? 

We're talking about a proven perennial power with a history of Jim's and Joe's. And it don't take Todd Dodge to make a decent hire. Although I believe if we had hired JJ we'd be looking at for 3pete in 24. Instead of hoping to make the playoffs. And hoping the nucleus of the team doesn't use their cousins address in another district.

Your first word answered the question though. It looks like you believe (like I do) that potentially good athletes need good coaching, and with that combination comes success. And with that success comes the possibility of continued success, all things being equal. Who is to say that BC couldn’t have had the same success that WOS historically had were it not for the right coaches. They certainly had athletes. Look at their baseball programs over the years. So my point is that saying, “It is not fair to our kids to not have the best coaches we can get” is a little nearsighted. That statement goes for all schools. It certainly pertains to PNG. It could also apply to Nederland, WB, PAM, Lumberton… Take your pick.

[ladybug33]

9 hours ago, WOSdrummer99 said:

And hoping the nucleus of the team doesn't use their cousins address in another district.

I don't understand why the players would do that? I mean at WOS we have the best facilities, at least we do make the playoffs every year, and players are still getting scholarships.

at least we do make the playoffs. I never would have thought these words would come from my mouth. A fourth place finish IMO is a handout given by UIL. For the sake of the program administrators stop the lack of caring about the students you serve.

[prepballfan]

WOS get back were you belong. You ARE the leaders of SETX. PNG and WOS are now tied at 8 trips to State and 4 State Championships. With WOS doing it in half the time. You guys have been the pride of SETX for a long time. Other teams like Silsbee is building into something special. The teams that are loaded and got to figure it out is Beaumont. Their school is loaded with talent. Get it figured out Beaumont. 

[SmashMouth]

36 minutes ago, prepballfan said:

WOS get back were you belong. You ARE the leaders of SETX. PNG and WOS are now tied at 8 trips to State and 4 State Championships. With WOS doing it in half the time. You guys have been the pride of SETX for a long time. Other teams like Silsbee is building into something special. The teams that are loaded and got to figure it out is Beaumont. Their school is loaded with talent. Get it figured out Beaumont. 

Gonna take more than an inspirational passage for Beaumont to “Get it figured out”. 

[CardinalBacker]

On 12/18/2023 at 11:51 PM, WOSdrummer99 said:

Yes. But who wants to coach at west hardin? And how many applied for the BC job? 

We're talking about a proven perennial power with a history of Jim's and Joe's. And it don't take Todd Dodge to make a decent hire. Although I believe if we had hired JJ we'd be looking at for 3pete in 24. Instead of hoping to make the playoffs. And hoping the nucleus of the team doesn't use their cousins address in another district.

Ummmm… way more applied for BC than WOS two years ago. To be exact, only 13 applicants wanted to take the reins at WOS, which is impressive considering that they are the winningest football program in Texas.

id expect less applicants in five years when Hickman decides to go elsewhere. 

[WOSdrummer99]

30 minutes ago, CardinalBacker said:

Ummmm… way more applied for BC than WOS two years ago. To be exact, only 13

That's my point