Conservatives vs Liberals!

[BS Wildcats]

7 hours ago, CardinalBacker said:

Where have you seen Biden attacking members of his own party the way that Trump attacks republicans? When have you seen Biden publicly attack his own staff?

Publicly or privately, does it matter?  How about the unifier part?  It’s all or none, don’t pick and choose pieces.

[5GallonBucket]

2 hours ago, BS Wildcats said:

Publicly or privately, does it matter?  How about the unifier part?  It’s all or none, don’t pick and choose pieces.

He likes cozying up to children 

[CardinalBacker]

2 hours ago, BS Wildcats said:

It’s all or none, don’t pick and choose pieces.

I think this is the problem with us politics… this is wrong. Representative government is a means of negotiating our differences and finding solutions that we can all live with. 
 

BOTH camps now believe that the entire goal is to gain a single vote majority and then force every one of our citizens to capitulate to what WE want. And if that single vote majority can’t be found, then our goal is to obstruct at every turn. And as far as Republicans go, we do it to ourselves, too. If you don’t agree with every single plank in the platform, you’re just a RINO and no better than those dirty democrats. Or dimocrats. Or Demoncrats. 
 

That’s why D’s keep handling the R’s in every election, in my opinion. The Rs don’t want anyone around that doesn’t agree with every single item, from A-Z. 
 

I heard somebody admonishing Babin in 2022 to “get back to Washington and don’t give an inch!” And that belief from both sides is why our country will implode if something drastic doesn’t change in the way our political parties act. 

[baddog]

3 hours ago, CardinalBacker said:

Representative government is a means of negotiating our differences and finding solutions that we can all live with

How noble. I stopped putting a D or R in front of everything. I say conservative vs. COMMUNISM. For me, there is no common ground. Parties are such polar opposites that I find it difficult to believe sometimes. Nothing the communists say makes any sense to a sane person or one who is programmed. Hundreds of thousands have died fighting communism taking over other countries, now they have rights in this one. How absurd is that?

[CardinalBacker]

12 minutes ago, baddog said:

How noble. I stopped putting a D or R in front of everything. I say conservative vs. COMMUNISM. For me, there is no common ground. Parties are such polar opposites that I find it difficult to believe sometimes. Nothing the communists say makes any sense to a sane person or one who is programmed. Hundreds of thousands have died fighting communism taking over other countries, now they have rights in this one. How absurd is that?

You're not wrong... but some of their ideas aren't as dumb as I used to believe that they were.  Single payer insurance, for instance.  For years I worked jobs I didn't like and made the choices to NOT start a business, partly because I needed health insurance for my family.  Now they tell me that everybody has right to the healthcare for which I've sacrificed?  I disagree.  Or disagreed.  When my company bills me a thousand dollars per month for health insurance, then the providers ask for tests to be run, then my insurance says "well, those will count towards your $5000 deductible" and at the end of the day I'm getting stuck paying for premiums, just so that I can over pay for services out of pocket... the system is broken and maybe we SHOULD be looking for a system that will put the health insurance companies and providers that over-bill them out of business.  Obamacare brought us a provision that said that you could no longer deny health insurance coverage for a pre-existing condition.  The insurance companies HATE that, but it's been a pretty good deal for anybody from any party that is trying to get health insurance coverage.  Every person that I know who buys insurance privately is doing so through the exchange, too... People in private practice like therapists, lawyers, etc...  My guess is that you are on Medicare and your beliefs are more like mine used to be.

 

The point that I'm trying to make is that if you, a conservative, disagree with any single part of the party line... you're out.  Don't think Trump is the best choice for President? Be gone.  Maybe you have a gay kid and don't understand why he can't marry the guy of his dreams?  Be gone.  Maybe you agree with every single thing in the platform, except maybe people shouldn't be able to buy a 30 round mag for their AR out of a bin at Academy for less than ten bucks, considering how they're usually the weapon of choice whenever somebody shoots up a school?  RINO!  Be gone!

 

They want Dade Phelan gone.... he committed two cardinal sins.  First, the didn't sideline anyone with a "D" next to their name.  You know, who cares about their ideas, skills, experience, expertise, or whatever.  They should be silenced in the legislative process.  The second thing that Dade did wrong was that he refused to overlook "Our General's" criminal activities... not because he didn't do anything criminal, but because he's our guy and agrees with us, so he should get a pass.  

 

The Republican party is under the control of radicals.  And people who call themselves conservatives don't understand what that word means, or they wouldn't vote for a guy who cut taxes without the corresponding spending cuts thereby exploding our debt, and handed out trillions in PPP loans with little to no supervision.  People complain about being forced to take a vaccine while simultaneously re-nominating the guy who shoved it down out throats via "Operation Warp Speed."  The problem is that the voting public is enamored with big personalities who tell good jokes or insult people like we wish we could do in real life.  There's no difference between somebody saying "Obama was the best president we've ever had" and somebody else saying "Trump is the best president we've ever had."  None.  Neither were the best, they were just your favorite.  Find some principles and stick to them. 

[LumRaiderFan]

9 minutes ago, CardinalBacker said:

You're not wrong... but some of their ideas aren't as dumb as I used to believe that they were.  Single payer insurance, for instance.  For years I worked jobs I didn't like and made the choices to NOT start a business, partly because I needed health insurance for my family.  Now they tell me that everybody has right to the healthcare for which I've sacrificed?  I disagree.  Or disagreed.  When my company bills me a thousand dollars per month for health insurance, then the providers ask for tests to be run, then my insurance says "well, those will count towards your $5000 deductible" and at the end of the day I'm getting stuck paying for premiums, just so that I can over pay for services out of pocket... the system is broken and maybe we SHOULD be looking for a system that will put the health insurance companies and providers that over-bill them out of business.  Obamacare brought us a provision that said that you could no longer deny health insurance coverage for a pre-existing condition.  The insurance companies HATE that, but it's been a pretty good deal for anybody from any party that is trying to get health insurance coverage.  Every person that I know who buys insurance privately is doing so through the exchange, too... People in private practice like therapists, lawyers, etc...  My guess is that you are on Medicare and your beliefs are more like mine used to be.

 

The point that I'm trying to make is that if you, a conservative, disagree with any single part of the party line... you're out.  Don't think Trump is the best choice for President? Be gone.  Maybe you have a gay kid and don't understand why he can't marry the guy of his dreams?  Be gone.  Maybe you agree with every single thing in the platform, except maybe people shouldn't be able to buy a 30 round mag for their AR out of a bin at Academy for less than ten bucks, considering how they're usually the weapon of choice whenever somebody shoots up a school?  RINO!  Be gone!

 

They want Dade Phelan gone.... he committed two cardinal sins.  First, the didn't sideline anyone with a "D" next to their name.  You know, who cares about their ideas, skills, experience, expertise, or whatever.  They should be silenced in the legislative process.  The second thing that Dade did wrong was that he refused to overlook "Our General's" criminal activities... not because he didn't do anything criminal, but because he's our guy and agrees with us, so he should get a pass.  

 

The Republican party is under the control of radicals.  And people who call themselves conservatives don't understand what that word means, or they wouldn't vote for a guy who cut taxes without the corresponding spending cuts thereby exploding our debt, and handed out trillions in PPP loans with little to no supervision.  People complain about being forced to take a vaccine while simultaneously re-nominating the guy who shoved it down out throats via "Operation Warp Speed."  The problem is that the voting public is enamored with big personalities who tell good jokes or insult people like we wish we could do in real life.  There's no difference between somebody saying "Obama was the best president we've ever had" and somebody else saying "Trump is the best president we've ever had."  None.  Neither were the best, they were just your favorite.  Find some principles and stick to them. 

At least be honest in your posts, Operation Warp Speed was to make the vaccine available because that was what the "experts" at the time said needed to happen.

Your democrats are the ones that shoved it down our throats, kicking folks out of the military and firing health care workers.

You seriously cannot look at things clearly because of you hatred for Trump.

 

[baddog]

My post should have read one who is “not” programmed, but most of you can read between the lines and know what was meant. 
 

39 minutes ago, CardinalBacker said:

You're not wrong... but some of their ideas aren't as dumb as I used to believe that they were.  Single payer insurance, for instance.  For years I worked jobs I didn't like and made the choices to NOT start a business, partly because I needed health insurance for my family.  Now they tell me that everybody has right to the healthcare for which I've sacrificed?  I disagree.  Or disagreed.  When my company bills me a thousand dollars per month for health insurance, then the providers ask for tests to be run, then my insurance says "well, those will count towards your $5000 deductible" and at the end of the day I'm getting stuck paying for premiums, just so that I can over pay for services out of pocket... the system is broken and maybe we SHOULD be looking for a system that will put the health insurance companies and providers that over-bill them out of business.  Obamacare brought us a provision that said that you could no longer deny health insurance coverage for a pre-existing condition.  The insurance companies HATE that, but it's been a pretty good deal for anybody from any party that is trying to get health insurance coverage.  Every person that I know who buys insurance privately is doing so through the exchange, too... People in private practice like therapists, lawyers, etc...  My guess is that you are on Medicare and your beliefs are more like mine used to be.

 

The point that I'm trying to make is that if you, a conservative, disagree with any single part of the party line... you're out.  Don't think Trump is the best choice for President? Be gone.  Maybe you have a gay kid and don't understand why he can't marry the guy of his dreams?  Be gone.  Maybe you agree with every single thing in the platform, except maybe people shouldn't be able to buy a 30 round mag for their AR out of a bin at Academy for less than ten bucks, considering how they're usually the weapon of choice whenever somebody shoots up a school?  RINO!  Be gone!

 

They want Dade Phelan gone.... he committed two cardinal sins.  First, the didn't sideline anyone with a "D" next to their name.  You know, who cares about their ideas, skills, experience, expertise, or whatever.  They should be silenced in the legislative process.  The second thing that Dade did wrong was that he refused to overlook "Our General's" criminal activities... not because he didn't do anything criminal, but because he's our guy and agrees with us, so he should get a pass.  

 

The Republican party is under the control of radicals.  And people who call themselves conservatives don't understand what that word means, or they wouldn't vote for a guy who cut taxes without the corresponding spending cuts thereby exploding our debt, and handed out trillions in PPP loans with little to no supervision.  People complain about being forced to take a vaccine while simultaneously re-nominating the guy who shoved it down out throats via "Operation Warp Speed."  The problem is that the voting public is enamored with big personalities who tell good jokes or insult people like we wish we could do in real life.  There's no difference between somebody saying "Obama was the best president we've ever had" and somebody else saying "Trump is the best president we've ever had."  None.  Neither were the best, they were just your favorite.  Find some principles and stick to them. 

i appreciate your four paragraph response, but what I said is how I feel. 
Look at one of the first communist policies….. it’s socialized medicine. Once they have you under that umbrella, you’re toast. Call me crazy, stupid, an idiot…. Doesn’t matter. There is not one Democratic policy that I agree with. It’s totally the reason their campaigns don’t run on them. All it is is smear, or in this case arrest, your opponent because you can’t even sell yourself or your beliefs/policies to the people. 
 

[LumRaiderFan]

13 minutes ago, baddog said:

My post should have read one who is “not” programmed, but most of you can read between the lines and know what was meant. 
 

i appreciate your four paragraph response, but what I said is how I feel. 
Look at one of the first communist policies….. it’s socialized medicine. Once they have you under that umbrella, you’re toast. Call me crazy, stupid, an idiot…. Doesn’t matter. There is not one Democratic policy that I agree with. It’s totally the reason their campaigns don’t run on them. All it is is smear, or in this case arrest, your opponent because you can’t even sell yourself or your beliefs/policies to the people. 
 

Don't forget, you're talking to a "conservative" that considers Republicans "radical" and now thinks the democrat party has good ideas, all while telling us to find some principles and stick to them.

lol lol lol

[Big girl]

22 hours ago, CardinalBacker said:

Well, for starters he failed to repeal and replace Obamacare like he (and everybody else) promised. 
 

He also cut taxes without any cuts to spending that led to huge increases in our debt.  He spent like a liberal… no one can point at a single program that had spending cuts during Trump’s term. 
 

Trump basically proved that a terrible leader with pro- business policies could spur the economy- basically doing the opposite of Obama. But he was a complete embarrassment as the commander and chief and executive in general. The mean-spiritedness from him towards EVERYBODY was just too much for me. 
 

President is supposed to be a Unifier. He fights everybody. The democrats, foreigners, other republicans, his own staff, the media… he’s the worst possible person to lead anything, regardless of his policies. 

I agree, wholeheartedly.

[CardinalBacker]

2 hours ago, baddog said:

Look at one of the first communist policies….. it’s socialized medicine. Once they have you under that umbrella, you’re toast. 
 

Simple question, for which you don't have to answer.  Are you on Medicare or Medicaid?  I'm going to guess "yes," because the situation as it currently is benefits you.  

My coworker purchases insurance through our company for her and her entire family.  The premium that she pays is roughly $1000/month.  In the last two months both her and her husband have had an annual wellness visit (free) and the provider wanted bloodwork which is fairly routine with an annual wellness visit.  The provider billed THOUSANDS for each of their visit(s), then the insurance company scored the bills down to a "manageable" $400 for him and $500 for her... the entire $900 of which came out of her pocket.  

When one of her kids needed tubes in his ears last year, it was out of pocket close to $4k.... after an insurance company markdown of the provider pricing.  The birth of her last kid cost however much her annual deductible is... something like $6k, after markdowns and contribution by the insurance company.  

Comparing socialized medicine to communism doesn't change the fact that the current system is broken.  But some people like yourself don't care, so long as it works to your benefit.  IF you made an average of $50k per year for 45 years and contributed 3.3% towards Medicare, there would have been $74,500 paid in by you and your employers over your lifetime to cover your healthcare after you turned 65.  The average cost of a knee replacement is $30k, btw.  Every single retiree is receiving more benefits (Medicare) than what they ever paid in.  What do you call it when every single old dude takes in more than he ever contributed?  I'll give you a hint... it's socialized medicine, lol.  You're just happy to be enjoying the benefits of others' labors and the capitalist in you doesn't want to share.  When somebody says "I don't care!  I paid for it!  It's MINE!" what they are really saying is "I'm a socialist, I just don't want to admit it."

[baddog]

4 hours ago, CardinalBacker said:

Simple question, for which you don't have to answer.  Are you on Medicare or Medicaid?  I'm going to guess "yes," because the situation as it currently is benefits you.  

My coworker purchases insurance through our company for her and her entire family.  The premium that she pays is roughly $1000/month.  In the last two months both her and her husband have had an annual wellness visit (free) and the provider wanted bloodwork which is fairly routine with an annual wellness visit.  The provider billed THOUSANDS for each of their visit(s), then the insurance company scored the bills down to a "manageable" $400 for him and $500 for her... the entire $900 of which came out of her pocket.  

When one of her kids needed tubes in his ears last year, it was out of pocket close to $4k.... after an insurance company markdown of the provider pricing.  The birth of her last kid cost however much her annual deductible is... something like $6k, after markdowns and contribution by the insurance company.  

Comparing socialized medicine to communism doesn't change the fact that the current system is broken.  But some people like yourself don't care, so long as it works to your benefit.  IF you made an average of $50k per year for 45 years and contributed 3.3% towards Medicare, there would have been $74,500 paid in by you and your employers over your lifetime to cover your healthcare after you turned 65.  The average cost of a knee replacement is $30k, btw.  Every single retiree is receiving more benefits (Medicare) than what they ever paid in.  What do you call it when every single old dude takes in more than he ever contributed?  I'll give you a hint... it's socialized medicine, lol.  You're just happy to be enjoying the benefits of others' labors and the capitalist in you doesn't want to share.  When somebody says "I don't care!  I paid for it!  It's MINE!" what they are really saying is "I'm a socialist, I just don't want to admit it."

I can’t say you don’t make a good point. At least big girl agrees with you. 
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[BS Wildcats]

16 hours ago, LumRaiderFan said:

At least be honest in your posts, Operation Warp Speed was to make the vaccine available because that was what the "experts" at the time said needed to happen.

Your democrats are the ones that shoved it down our throats, kicking folks out of the military and firing health care workers.

You seriously cannot look at things clearly because of you hatred for Trump.

 

The democrats shoved it down our throats, after publicly stating that as long as Trump had anything to do with a vaccine, that the would NOT take it.  As soon as they gained their power, the ridiculousness started.  They showed just how two-faced they were.

[CardinalBacker]

4 hours ago, BS Wildcats said:

The democrats shoved it down our throats, after publicly stating that as long as Trump had anything to do with a vaccine, that the would NOT take it.  As soon as they gained their power, the ridiculousness started.  They showed just how two-faced they were.

And the Rs were all about the vaccine until the Dems came into power. 
 

Point being both sides are two-faced, with neither side being right. Anybody who believes “my side is right and the other guys are demons” is a fool.  
 

“B-b-b-but we fought communism back in my day!” Well, apparently you lost because the idea is still around. 
 

And America is proving to the world that Democracy is going to be just as big of a mistake as any other type of self governance once the zealots take charge of their parties. That’s if our out of control spending doesn’t do us in first. There are no more conservatives. All we have today is people who believe “hatin’ them Democrats and Rinos” is the definition of conservatism. 

[baddog]

1 hour ago, CardinalBacker said:

“B-b-b-but we fought communism back in my day!” Well, apparently you lost because the idea is still around. 

Was still around then. Should have listened to Patton and McArthur