*Liberty 54 Warren 47 Final/Comments

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Liberty 54

Warren 47

[TopDawG52]

I didn't expect this to happen to Warren looks like they need to step it up with District around the corner

[whsalum]

Liberty 10  23  34  54

Warren 10  22  29  47

Sims-14,McBee-11

Sims went to the bench with 6:31 left in the 2nd qtr with his 3rd foul and they never got in any offensive flow.Can't get a handle on this club they can be really good one night and not show up the next.We better start playing with a little urgency and a little consistancy or we're gonna be in trouble.

[CATMAN]

Will warren every get it togather,look like they are having,all kind of problem,what wrong warfan :o :o :o

[DP#1FAN]

I've read all the post this season and I guess Warren has not been beaten by just a better team. Always this or that happen to them.

[24 over par]

congrats liberty

[24 over par]

warren hard to get a handle on

[warfan]

If the shots don't fall we lose if they fall we win.  That's pretty much it.  We seem to always have issues with fouls, but if the shots are falling it doesn't matter.

[SETSportsFan]

congrats liberty! sounds like it was a good game

[24 over par]

warren and deweyville play friday and doesnt seem as if either is playing their best right now

[warfan]

congrats liberty! sounds like it was a good game

It was a close game, you just felt like Warren was going to pull it out but Liberty hit their free shots at the end.  It was a very brutal game. 

I guess the game has changed from my day,  these teams that have the intense press just don't get called for all the contact in the back court.  Very little what I would consider good defense, they are playing defense by maintaining contact rather than foot speed.  Hand checking, slapping at the ball and reaching in seem to be the norm.  To me this cheapens the game. 

[BWCoach]

I agree 100% warfan!!! For the most part, in games that I have seen recently, a team that has a good press is forgiven bumps, pushes, slaps, and especially hand checks. To be real clear,allowing hand checking is allowing a constant pushing foul.  I saw a crew at the Evadale Tournament, that absolutely supported the rule, blew the whistle on every check on both teams press, and I really admired them. 

[bleacher_bum]

I also agree about the bodies and hand checking, its just lazy.  Allowing this sloppy defense allows the game to get out of control also.  I don't mind if a defender has a hand on the dribbler, if hes not gaining an unfair advantage, but if the dribbler is making a move to the goal or just bringing the ball up the court, get the hands and the bodies off of em.  Clean it up!

Watching a game in Hardin the other night, the opposing team would literally push Hardins ball handler where they wanted them with their body, meanwhile holding both hands in the air as if he was doing nothing wrong.  And evidently, he wasn't doing anything wrong, it NEVER got called. Sloppy D, and lazy, refs need to clean that stuff up early in a game. IMO

[UKCats]

I haven't seen liberty play at all this year. Can someone who was at this game give me a heads up on what they have. I know they had a really good freshman group that is moving through the ranks. But overall as a team what are they looking like?

[warfan]

I haven't seen liberty play at all this year. Can someone who was at this game give me a heads up on what they have. I know they had a really good freshman group that is moving through the ranks. But overall as a team what are they looking like?

They have a great group of refs!

No, serously,  The had some big folks camped in the paint that will hurt you if allowed (and they were),  they have some very, very quick guards that play a pressure defense and drive to score.  Shooting didn't impresse me, poor skills, not real disciplined. Some of the guards may have been freshman, they were small.

[UKCats]

Thanks for the info warfan. I appreciate it.

[24 over par]

hand checking rarely called and it does cheapen the game easy to control a smaller kid when you can push him where you want him

[UKCats]

The sad thing about the hand check is that they have even quit calling it at the younger level and the kids learn nothing. When I was in school JH officials usually made all the tight calls and then explained them to the kids so they could actually learn the game. Not anymore. Now they are just there to make a buck like everyone else in this world. Where have all the real officials gone?

[libertyfan#1]

I don't know what warfan is talking about small guards but he must have been watchung the freshman play...... and liberty's guards can shoot the ball very well they dont take many three point shots a game but when they so shoot them they knock them down, one game they hit four threes straight on hardin right after another guillory hit two then brown hit two more know your stuff before u make post or talk to a real fan i'm there every game

[whsalum]

I've read all the post this season and I guess Warren has not been beaten by just a better team. Always this or that happen to them.

Hard to get a handle on it DP#1,not saying they haven't been beaten by better teams.The perfect example is Bridge City who they beat by 35 one night and lose by 20 the next week.They beat Liberty by 2 while missing 2 starters and then lose by 7 when Liberty's best player is hurt.Bottom line is they are 7-5 and are pretty good at times and not very consistant at times.The 2 tournaments they have played so far they have had 2 starters missing in each one.If they start to gel they will be pretty darn good.

[UT#1]

the only shooter liberty has is number 10 i think it is, very sloppy game from warren they better get a grip on it soon with district arund the corner, the little andrews boy may be taking the point over before too long....

[piratefan24]

;D good luck to both teams in district

[libertyfan#1]

Actually #5 and #12 shoot pretty good

[PANTHERPLAYA09]

I havnt seen them play yet this year but, I do know that not alot has changed since last year for Liberty.

J. Brown and S. Gillory should be making a diffrence for the Panthers this year.

From what I hear theyve been doing pretty good.(dont know who theyve played though)

i wish setx could get a schedule for them posted**** ;D

[whsalum]

S Guillory was the player I was talking about that they were missing.I heard he broke a finger,he is solid and starts everything they do.They will need him to compete further down the road.