LSU Walks Off the Floor Before National Anthem -- Iowa Stands and Wins!

[Reagan]

1 hour ago, LumRaiderFan said:

Stand for the National Anthem in all sports, it's not that difficult.

^^^^THIS^^^^

@TxHoops  @AggiesAreWe

[Reagan]

22 minutes ago, AggiesAreWe said:

100% agree.

It's what we call here a "Reaganism".

Fact of the matter is they were not there for the National Anthem.  That's not debatable.  Then the coach had a CYA moment when she said "I don't know when the National Anthem is played."  She's coached thousands of games and does not know this?!   LOL!!

@TxHoops

[Reagan]

53 minutes ago, TxHoops said:

Standing is not the issue.  Mulkey, for anyone who knows anything about her, would never allow kneeling.  I would think anyone with any connection to Baylor would know that.  The issue is the practice across college basketball, men’s and women’s, of being in the locker room going over game plans, praying (for LSU at least), etc., when the anthem is played.  Just like apparently Iowa was as well last year when they played.  The issue is clickbait articles talking about a team “walking off the floor” during the anthem (while attaching a video showing nothing of the sort because that was a bold faced lie) and dolts being gullible enough to fall for a headline and share it across social media until it becomes “fact.”  The issue is calling maybe the most politically conservative coach in the sport “woke” because again, well clicks.  But such is the “low information” society we live in I guess. 
 

And for the record LRF, I would prefer the teams being out there standing when the anthem and school songs are played, just like in football, baseball, etc.  I’m guessing that will become the norm now and that should have been the story, not the deceiving one that has been circulated.  So perhaps some good will come of it. I’m not even an LSU fan and am glad we get to see another game or two of Clark.  But if anyone did an ounce of research before posting this trash, they could indict almost every (if not literally every) D1 CBB coach in the country.  

So they were on the court for the National Anthem?   Explain!

[LumRaiderFan]

58 minutes ago, TxHoops said:

Standing is not the issue.  Mulkey, for anyone who knows anything about her, would never allow kneeling.  I would think anyone with any connection to Baylor would know that.  The issue is the practice across college basketball, men’s and women’s, of being in the locker room going over game plans, praying (for LSU at least), etc., when the anthem is played.  Just like apparently Iowa was as well last year when they played.  The issue is clickbait articles talking about a team “walking off the floor” during the anthem (while attaching a video showing nothing of the sort because that was a bold faced lie) and dolts being gullible enough to fall for a headline and share it across social media until it becomes “fact.”  The issue is calling maybe the most politically conservative coach in the sport “woke” because again, well clicks.  But such is the “low information” society we live in I guess. 
 

And for the record LRF, I would prefer the teams being out there standing when the anthem and school songs are played, just like in football, baseball, etc.  I’m guessing that will become the norm now and that should have been the story, not the deceiving one that has been circulated.  So perhaps some good will come of it. I’m not even an LSU fan and am glad we get to see another game or two of Clark.  But if anyone did an ounce of research before posting this trash, they could indict almost every (if not literally every) D1 CBB coach in the country.  

I’m not singling out a particular team in my comments, I just think it’s not too much to ask for all teams to be on the floor for the National Anthem.  I agree, lots of teams do this with no ill intent, LSU just seemed to be the ones to bring national attention to it.

[TxHoops]

1 hour ago, Reagan said:

Fact of the matter is they were not there for the National Anthem.  That's not debatable.  Then the coach had a CYA moment when she said "I don't know when the National Anthem is played."  She's coached thousands of games and does not know this?!   LOL!!

@TxHoops

 

1 hour ago, Reagan said:

So they were on the court for the National Anthem?   Explain!

Reading comprehension is key.  If you are still lost, I can’t help you.  As a friend of mine once told me, stop arguing basketball (or in this instance, its customs) with people who were picked last in PE…

[TxHoops]

14 minutes ago, LumRaiderFan said:

I’m not singling out a particular team in my comments, I just think it’s not too much to ask for all teams to be on the floor for the National Anthem.  I agree, lots of teams do this with no ill intent, LSU just seemed to be the ones to bring national attention to it.

Thank you.  That’s all I was trying to point out. And I happen to agree with you.  

[thetragichippy]

Where are our constitutionalist and 1st amendment folks. 

You can be mad, upset and not attend the games, but revoking scholarships? 

I think these Judges are stepping on the constitution limiting Trump's free speech.....I feel I would be a hypocrite if I didn't consider this anthem situation a 1st amendment issue as well.

--for the record, I think it's disrespectful 

[LumRaiderFan]

30 minutes ago, thetragichippy said:

Where are our constitutionalist and 1st amendment folks. 

You can be mad, upset and not attend the games, but revoking scholarships? 

I think these Judges are stepping on the constitution limiting Trump's free speech.....I feel I would be a hypocrite if I didn't consider this anthem situation a 1st amendment issue as well.

--for the record, I think it's disrespectful 

I feel this should be simply protocol, you want to represent the school, be on the floor for the National Anthem.

Just like not being able to choose to sit with your buddies in the stands while you're not playing or be on your phone during the game.

Not a first amendment thing, should be a standard for any school, jmo.

[TxHoops]

12 minutes ago, LumRaiderFan said:

I feel this should be simply protocol, you want to represent the school, be on the floor for the National Anthem.

Just like not being able to choose to sit with your buddies in the stands while you're not playing or be on your phone during the game.

Not a first amendment thing, should be a standard for any school, jmo.

I appreciate both of your stances.  The libertarian in me doesn’t disagree with Hippy, and the father in me has instilled in my son how to behave when the anthem is played.  It’s just that 80-90 percent of the time, they are still in the locker room.  

And let’s face it, that is a business.  Will Wade isn’t now making $700k a year at McNeese due to how his team behaves during the anthem.  Which is probably why he is using that time to final prep his team as well.  Right or wrong, those guys are coaching for their livelihoods and they all are trying to get the best use out of literally every minute of the day pregame to try and get the win. 

[bullets13]

On 4/2/2024 at 4:09 PM, AggiesAreWe said:

More "misleading" news.

Starting to feel like the "right" has become the "left" in this department.

smh

it's crazy, considering the whole "fake news" craze, and all of the "low information voter" insults that have been thrown out over the last 6 or so years.  Because so much of what gets the right outraged is either misleadingly presented or completely false these days.  Don't get me wrong, there's plenty to be upset about, but it's tough when half of what you read is patently false in some way.  

[LumRaiderFan]

32 minutes ago, TxHoops said:

I appreciate both of your stances.  The libertarian in me doesn’t disagree with Hippy, and the father in me has instilled in my son how to behave when the anthem is played.  It’s just that 80-90 percent of the time, they are still in the locker room.  

And let’s face it, that is a business.  Will Wade isn’t now making $700k a year at McNeese due to how his team behaves during the anthem.  Which is probably why he is using that time to final prep his team as well.  Right or wrong, those guys are coaching for their livelihoods and they all are trying to get the best use out of literally every minute of the day pregame to try and get the win. 

I see where some teams are out for the National Anthem, some are regularly not.  The last minute preparation isn't a very good excuse, imo, and some teams work around it.

I constantly hear about a coach's job is about building character AND talent, seems to me this easy adjustment would be a no-brainer, but I certainly won't lose any sleep either way on this one.

[LumRaiderFan]

21 minutes ago, bullets13 said:

it's crazy, considering the whole "fake news" craze, and all of the "low information voter" insults that have been thrown out over the last 6 or so years.  Because so much of what gets the right outraged is either misleadingly presented or completely false these days.  

Not everyone on the right is outraged about this, don't make it more than it is.

 

[TxHoops]

23 minutes ago, bullets13 said:

it's crazy, considering the whole "fake news" craze, and all of the "low information voter" insults that have been thrown out over the last 6 or so years.  Because so much of what gets the right outraged is either misleadingly presented or completely false these days.  Don't get me wrong, there's plenty to be upset about, but it's tough when half of what you read is patently false in some way.  

Exactly.  And there is a lot that can be said about Kim Mulkey (and I would agree with a lot of it).  But to portray her as “woke” is laughable.  This is the same lady (if my source is reliable and I would heavily bet that it is) that was told by the Baylor AD that she was “too intolerant.”  (Which was apparently about the time she began her exit strategy there.)  And even Scott Drew, who is a devout Christian and share his faith with anyone any time) allowed way more latitude with his players during the whole craze that was happening following the George Floyd death.  As previously stated, she was the only coach in Waco that had zero tolerance with her players acting out.  But hey, it made a catchy headline and based upon my social media feeds, hooked plenty of gullible folks. 

[TxHoops]

7 minutes ago, LumRaiderFan said:

I see where some teams are out for the National Anthem, some are regularly not.  The last minute preparation isn't a very good excuse, imo, and some teams work around it.

I constantly hear about a coach's job is about building character AND talent, seems to me this easy adjustment would be a no-brainer, but I certainly won't lose any sleep either way on this one.

A coach’s job at the college level is to win games and do it legally (or not get caught if you don’t).  Period.  Wins mean money and the bottom line is all they care about.  Building character is probably item #172 on their job description.  I had a friend on my FB tell me she was at a Lamar’s men’s game and the team was out and had their hands on their chest during a recent game.  Both of my boys had to be in that line so I asked my oldest how many times they were out for the anthem this year he said maybe 5 or 6 times. They played 30 something games.  I honestly am surprised if either team is out for the anthem in any league (and I’ve been to games in probably 7 or 8 D1 leagues).  If it works out and they are done, they come out.  If not, they don’t. But maybe that will change now.  If any school (and Iowa WBB is apparently NOT one of them) is out for the anthem before this craziness more often than not, it can’t be more than 5 percent of the schools out there. 

[LumRaiderFan]

10 minutes ago, TxHoops said:

A coach’s job at the college level is to win games and do it legally (or not get caught if you don’t).  Period.  Wins mean money and the bottom line is all they care about.  Building character is probably item #172 on their job description.  I had a friend on my FB tell me she was at a Lamar’s men’s game and the team was out and had their hands on their chest during a recent game.  Both of my boys had to be in that line so I asked my oldest how many times they were out for the anthem this year he said maybe 5 or 6 times. They played 30 something games.  I honestly am surprised if either team is out for the anthem in any league (and I’ve been to games in probably 7 or 8 D1 leagues).  If it works out and they are done, they come out.  If not, they don’t. But maybe that will change now.  If any school (and Iowa WBB is apparently NOT one of them) is out for the anthem before this craziness more often than not, it can’t be more than 5 percent of the schools out there. 

Like I have said, it seems like a no-brainer, as far as respect goes, but it is what it is and probably won't change, I'm sure being required to be present for the National Anthem will become another "controversial" issue.

Like I have also said, I won't lose any sleep over this one, lol.

[TxHoops]

2 minutes ago, LumRaiderFan said:

Like I have said, it seems like a no-brainer, as far as respect goes, but it is what it is and probably won't change, I'm sure being required to be present for the National Anthem will become another "controversial" issue.

Like I have also said, I won't lose any sleep over this one, lol.

I’m with you.  I honestly never gave it much thought.  I appreciated when my sons’ team WAS out there, they had one hand on their heart on one behind their back (as I’m sure Coach Brooks instructed them - he’s an old school guy who doesn’t tolerate nonsense).  I don’t know if I will ever go to another game without noticing now lol

[LumRaiderFan]

2 minutes ago, TxHoops said:

I’m with you.  I honestly never gave it much thought.  I appreciated when my sons’ team WAS out there, they had one hand on their heart on one behind their back (as I’m sure Coach Brooks instructed them - he’s an old school guy who doesn’t tolerate nonsense).  I don’t know if I will ever go to another game without noticing now lol

Same here, lol.

 

[Big girl]

On 4/2/2024 at 11:35 PM, Reagan said:

Well, as above, the Governor thinks they walked off before the anthem.  

From the article:  “It is time that all college boards, including Regent, put a policy in place that student athletes be present for the national anthem or risk their athletic scholarship! This is a matter of respect that all collegiate coaches should instill.”  Hey @Big girl what did the Governor just say?!  He said their scholarships might be revoked.  He said -- It's a matter of respect!! 

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Didn't the Supreme Courrt rule that it is unconstitutional to make students stand for the national anthem

[bullets13]

1 hour ago, LumRaiderFan said:

Not everyone on the right is outraged about this, don't make it more than it is.

 

ironic choice of words there, but I get what you’re saying.  But if it’s not one manufactured issue it’s another for many on the right.  

[LumRaiderFan]

9 minutes ago, bullets13 said:

ironic choice of words there, but I get what you’re saying.  But if it’s not one manufactured issue it’s another for many on the right.  

Such as the "manufactured" issue of trans men dominating women's sports, the right just won't shut up about anything, will they?

You're failing to see where the real problems stem from.

[5GallonBucket]

5 hours ago, TxHoops said:

Standing is not the issue.  Mulkey, for anyone who knows anything about her, would never allow kneeling.  I would think anyone with any connection to Baylor would know that.  The issue is the practice across college basketball, men’s and women’s, of being in the locker room going over game plans, praying (for LSU at least), etc., when the anthem is played.  Just like apparently Iowa was as well last year when they played.  The issue is clickbait articles talking about a team “walking off the floor” during the anthem (while attaching a video showing nothing of the sort because that was a bold faced lie) and dolts being gullible enough to fall for a headline and share it across social media until it becomes “fact.”  The issue is calling maybe the most politically conservative coach in the sport “woke” because again, well clicks.  But such is the “low information” society we live in I guess. 
 

And for the record LRF, I would prefer the teams being out there standing when the anthem and school songs are played, just like in football, baseball, etc.  I’m guessing that will become the norm now and that should have been the story, not the deceiving one that has been circulated.  So perhaps some good will come of it. I’m not even an LSU fan and am glad we get to see another game or two of Clark.  But if anyone did an ounce of research before posting this trash, they could indict almost every (if not literally every) D1 CBB coach in the country.  

Which is overkill…..I’m sure you know this but the game plan has been practiced and studied by players before this time comes. All players get a scouting folder with opposing teams strengths weaknesses player tendencies etc etc along with how to attack off/def……but the problem is players don’t study it.

i always found that time a waste…..

“let’s go get warmed up, sweat come back to locker room for a few minutes just to go back out and warm up again”  🤷‍♂️

 

[bullets13]

50 minutes ago, LumRaiderFan said:

Such as the "manufactured" issue of trans men dominating women's sports, the right just won't shut up about anything, will they?

You're failing to see where the real problems stem from.

There are multiple “real” problems.  The one currently being discussed is right wing “news sources”, as well as legitimate politicians, regurgitating patently false information which whips the masses up into a frenzy.  That’s a really big problem, and one that republicans should be striving to clean up, but are instead perpetuating.  The attitude I often see, and which based on this post you seem to hold as well, is “it doesn’t matter if it’s fake, because whatever they do is way worse”

[TxHoops]

47 minutes ago, 5GallonBucket said:

Which is overkill…..I’m sure you know this but the game plan has been practiced and studied by players before this time comes. All players get a scouting folder with opposing teams strengths weaknesses player tendencies etc etc along with how to attack off/def……but the problem is players don’t study it.

i always found that time a waste…..

“let’s go get warmed up, sweat come back to locker room for a few minutes just to go back out and warm up again”  🤷‍♂️

 

One thousand percent

(Work smarter, not harder seems to me to be a foreign concept in coaching.)

[LumRaiderFan]

34 minutes ago, bullets13 said:

There are multiple “real” problems.  The one currently being discussed is right wing “news sources”, as well as legitimate politicians, regurgitating patently false information which whips the masses up into a frenzy.  That’s a really big problem, and one that republicans should be striving to clean up, but are instead perpetuating.  The attitude I often see, and which based on this post you seem to hold as well, is “it doesn’t matter if it’s fake, because whatever they do is way worse”

Apparently you haven't read my comments on this or you wouldn't make that overdramatic statement, which you often do.

You said, and I quote, "But if it’s not one manufactured issue it’s another for many on the right."

I get tired of the nonsense that the issues from the right even compare to the nonsense from the left, you even started a thread about it that is SEVEN pages long and I bet there isn't one post on there about nonsense from the right, it's ALL left.

Whatever they do is way worse, period.

 

[Reagan]

30 minutes ago, LumRaiderFan said:

Apparently you haven't read my comments on this or you wouldn't make that overdramatic statement, which you often do.

You said, and I quote, "But if it’s not one manufactured issue it’s another for many on the right."

I get tired of the nonsense that the issues from the right even compare to the nonsense from the left, you even started a thread about it that is SEVEN pages long and I bet there isn't one post on there about nonsense from the right, it's ALL left.

Whatever they do is way worse, period.

 

Haven't you realized yet that if someone doesn't understand something or doesn't agree with something then it's fake news.  Then they have their bobble heads join in with the me-too chorus!   LOL!