TXBaseball Posted December 17, 2007 Report Posted December 17, 2007 i can remember when making all-district was still an honor. 69 players on the first two teams, and this not counting the mvps. God knows how many honorable mentions there are, but i bet there's more than there are on either the first or second team, which means you're looking at probably 100 or more kids making all-district. if you figure this 11 starters x 2= 22 starters per team. 22 starters per team x 8 teams= 176 starters. I'm also not going to try to figure in the dozens of two-way players in the district.well over half the starters in the district made all-district. You could be an honorable mention team running back and be the 8th or 9th best back in the district. maybe they should change the name to "all the district". on top of this, there was an unfairly large amount of lumberton and dayton players on these teams. i agree with the fact that they went the farthest, and were two very good teams, and should thus be represented as such. however, putting their whole teams on all-district is kind of silly. Vidor only had two picks, which is a travesty. i'm no vidor fan, and in fact did not at all watch that team at all this year, and i can still say with certainty there were more than two players deserving of all-district recognition on vidor's football squad. to me, districts need to cut down on their all-district honors. this isn't little league, or little dribblers, where everyone needs a trophy. Bring the honor back to all-district honors! Cut the teams down so they actually mean something! Very good post, bullets....IMO, and it's just my opinion....Larry Williams of Vidor could have easily been on, at least, second team.
BMTSoulja1 Posted December 17, 2007 Report Posted December 17, 2007 All-District 22-4A Football TeamVan WadeThe Orange LeaderHere is the All-District 22-4A Football Team as selected by the 22-4A coaches:MOST VALUABLE PLAYER: A.J. Dugat, DaytonOFFENSIVE MVP: Codyt Hussey, LumbertonDEFENSIVE MVP: Ford Smesny, DaytonOFFENSIVE NEWCOMER OF THE YEAR: Kirby Bellow, NederlandDEFENSIVE NEWCOMER OF THE YEAR: Aaron Jenkins, DaytonCOACH OF THE YEAR: Matt Burnett, PN-GFIRST TEAM OFFENSEQuarterback: Gregory Charles, DaytonRunning backs: Jake Hemmings, PN-G; John Gable, Dayton; Kendrex Salter, LC-MWide receivers: Ronnie Powell, Dayton; Paul Fontenot, Dayton; Phillip Richard, LC-M; Asa Cardenas, NederlandTight ends: Zeke Schexnider, PN-G; Cody Evans, LumbertonCenter: Kyle Gillam, LumbertonOffensive line: Patrick May, Ozen; Parnell Wells, Central; P.J. Hartt, Lumberton; Jerin Spikes, PN-G; Tony Hill, Dayton; Stefan Huber, NederlandUtility men: Derrick Hall, Central; A.J. Dugat, DaytonKicker: Taylor Trahan, NederlandFIRST TEAM DEFENSEEnds: Jonathan Ward, Lumberton; Clint Burnett, PN-G; Brian Davis, Central; Jared Winbush, LC-MTackles: Jody McDonald, PN-G; Devonian Stelly, Ozen; Brent Kimmy, DaytonInside linebackers: Fred Hynson, Dayton; Anthony Beard, LumbertonOutside linebackers: Charles Thomas, Central; Evan Brown, Dayton; Ben Lancaster, PN-GCornerbacks: Paul Fontenot, Dayton; Desmond Wilcox, OzenSafeties: Chase Barnes, Dayton; Phillip Richard, LC-M; Reagan Stanley, Nederland; Brett Doty, PN-GPunter: Roman Franklin, VidorSECOND TEAM OFFENSEQuarterback: Bryce DeJohn, LumbertonRunning backs: Charles Thomas, Central; Lorenza Patterson, Ozen; David Mayfield, CentralWide receivers: Aaron Credeur, Lumberton; Cameron Ball, Ozen; Adam Broussard, Nederland; Matt Johnson, PN-GTight end: James Larramore, VidorCenter: Robert Billings, DaytonOffensive line: Anthony St. Julian, Dayton; Josh Cortez, PN-G; Andy Golden, Lumberton; Hunter Dowden, Lumberton; John Prescott, OzenSECOND TEAM DEFENSEEnds: Zeke Schexnider, PN-G; Dravannti Johnson, NederlandTackles: Jacob Hanna, Lumberton; Ladarius Howard, CentralInside linebackers: Justin Isadore, Ozen; Kaleb Walker, PN-GOutside linebackers: Hagan Crorey, PN-G; Zach Favela, DaytonCornerbacks: Jonathan Bell, Lumberton; Kenneth Tezeno, PN-G; Adrian Guillory, CentralSafeties: Chris Ragguett, Ozen; Jeremy Carter, Lumberton; Travis Wilkerson, Lumberton; Justin LaBove, CentralI just want to first of all congradulate all the young men that made this list. My Jags may not have put it together, but it good to see that we get respect from other coaches to actually put some of our own out there. This actually puts somewhat of a smile on my face through this horrible season. One more thing, I think you either give the coach of the year to Creuder (sp) or Stewart. Much more deserving of it, IMO.
JS Posted December 17, 2007 Report Posted December 17, 2007 i can remember when making all-district was still an honor. 69 players on the first two teams, and this not counting the mvps. God knows how many honorable mentions there are, but i bet there's more than there are on either the first or second team, which means you're looking at probably 100 or more kids making all-district. if you figure this 11 starters x 2= 22 starters per team. 22 starters per team x 8 teams= 176 starters. I'm also not going to try to figure in the dozens of two-way players in the district.well over half the starters in the district made all-district. You could be an honorable mention team running back and be the 8th or 9th best back in the district. maybe they should change the name to "all the district". on top of this, there was an unfairly large amount of lumberton and dayton players on these teams. i agree with the fact that they went the farthest, and were two very good teams, and should thus be represented as such. however, putting their whole teams on all-district is kind of silly. Vidor only had two picks, which is a travesty. i'm no vidor fan, and in fact did not at all watch that team at all this year, and i can still say with certainty there were more than two players deserving of all-district recognition on vidor's football squad. to me, districts need to cut down on their all-district honors. this isn't little league, or little dribblers, where everyone needs a trophy. Bring the honor back to all-district honors! Cut the teams down so they actually mean something! I could not disagree more. There is a reason that Vidor had such a poor year and that reason is that Vidor had one outstanding player-Roman Franklin and he is first team.
bullets13 Posted December 17, 2007 Report Posted December 17, 2007 I could not disagree more. There is a reason that Vidor had such a poor year and that reason is that Vidor had one outstanding player-Roman Franklin and he is first team.you disagree with the whole post or just the vidor comment? as for that, it's just absurd to me that one team has their entire team elected, and another has just 2 players. in all fairness, if this district didn't pick 100 players, i wouldn't have a problem with vidor only being represented twice. if this were an elite honor, then the top two players off of the last place team would seem fair. but as it is, there are so many players that the 1st and 2nd place team had basically their whole team selected! pretty much every player that played on a top 5 team who had any type of decent stats at all was mentioned. i find it hard to believe that there wasn't another player anywhere on vidor who didn't have the stats required to get named. lumberton and dayton had about the same number of players left off their teams that vidor had chosen. it's an example of saying "vidor was the worst team in the district, so you have to be extremely good to get a nod, but lumberton and dayton were great teams, so anyone who had a solid season for them is in." I'm not knocking lumberton or dayton. they had great years, and have great players. I'm really only knocking the system of which those two teams were beneficiaries, making it necessary to use them as examples.
TXBaseball Posted December 17, 2007 Report Posted December 17, 2007 you disagree with the whole post or just the vidor comment? as for that, it's just absurd to me that one team has their entire team elected, and another has just 2 players. in all fairness, if this district didn't pick 100 players, i wouldn't have a problem with vidor only being represented twice. if this were an elite honor, then the top two players off of the last place team would seem fair. but as it is, there are so many players that the 1st and 2nd place team had basically their whole team selected! pretty much every player that played on a top 5 team who had any type of decent stats at all was mentioned. i find it hard to believe that there wasn't another player anywhere on vidor who didn't have the stats required to get named. lumberton and dayton had about the same number of players left off their teams that vidor had chosen. it's an example of saying "vidor was the worst team in the district, so you have to be extremely good to get a nod, but lumberton and dayton were great teams, so anyone who had a solid season for them is in." I'm not knocking lumberton or dayton. they had great years, and have great players. I'm really only knocking the system of which those two teams were beneficiaries, making it necessary to use them as examples. And the funniest part is that Vidor was not the last place team....LCM was and they got more picks than Vidor did. To you Diamond-J....you apparently never saw Larry Williams play. He is definitely well above average.
JS Posted December 17, 2007 Report Posted December 17, 2007 Yes I saw him play. Yes he is above average. As far as the list goes--MVPs and first teamers are the only ones that I was refering to--argue about the rest all you want to but I believe as far as Vidor goes Franklin is the only(IMO) standout player on an otherwise bad team.
VP Posted December 17, 2007 Report Posted December 17, 2007 And the funniest part is that Vidor was not the last place team....LCM was and they got more picks than Vidor did. To you Diamond-J....you apparently never saw Larry Williams play. He is definitely well above average.Couln't have said it any better than this! Larry Williams deserved a recognition......Sincere CONGRATULATIONS to Roman Franklin and a good friend James Larramore!!!! Well deserved.Vidor should've had more representation than 2 players. Process should be reviewed.
bullets13 Posted December 17, 2007 Report Posted December 17, 2007 Yes I saw him play. Yes he is above average. As far as the list goes--MVPs and first teamers are the only ones that I was refering to--argue about the rest all you want to but I believe as far as Vidor goes Franklin is the only(IMO) standout player on an otherwise bad team.that's the whole point of my post. i'm not saying that vidor had a team full of superstars, but in any district, the list of superstars is pretty short. it's clear with this many players being honored, above average was surely, in many cases at least, good enough to get recognition. if that's the case, every team could have at least 5 or 6 guys being named (and obviously some could have 15). in all honesty, i'd be ok with vidor only getting two reps if the all-district teams were smaller and more indicative of the top talent in the district. there's no doubt that just about every player named is a solid and talented player, but in a district where solid players are a dime a dozen on the better teams, you need to raise the bar when giving out awards.
GoBigBlue1997 Posted December 18, 2007 Report Posted December 18, 2007 #1 Png 31 Lumberton 24 and PNG kneeled down 3 times on the 11 yd line or they could have kicked a field goal or ran in for a score at the end of the game. #2 The coaches voted it that way. They have alot of respect for Burnett.Creader did a great job and deserves alot of credit.Why would you want to take the chance of giving the ball back to score 3 or 7 points when all you have to do is kneel and the game is over? If He were to do that, then absolutely He (Burnett) would not deserve coach of the year because that would be the dumbest decision ever regardless of whether you scored or not. The coaches can vote how they want and that is fine, but Credeur had the most impressive season. Tri-District champion, beat a state semifinalist, and the defending state champs with a team that was picked to finish in the bottom of the district. Daytons coach also has a very good case as well. Having to overcome injuries at key positions and share a district title was a complete turnaround. All three coaches deserve the coach of the year.
ozensfinest Posted December 18, 2007 Author Report Posted December 18, 2007 i can remember when making all-district was still an honor. 69 players on the first two teams, and this not counting the mvps. God knows how many honorable mentions there are, but i bet there's more than there are on either the first or second team, which means you're looking at probably 100 or more kids making all-district. if you figure this 11 starters x 2= 22 starters per team. 22 starters per team x 8 teams= 176 starters. I'm also not going to try to figure in the dozens of two-way players in the district.well over half the starters in the district made all-district. You could be an honorable mention team running back and be the 8th or 9th best back in the district. maybe they should change the name to "all the district". on top of this, there was an unfairly large amount of lumberton and dayton players on these teams. i agree with the fact that they went the farthest, and were two very good teams, and should thus be represented as such. however, putting their whole teams on all-district is kind of silly. Vidor only had two picks, which is a travesty. i'm no vidor fan, and in fact did not at all watch that team at all this year, and i can still say with certainty there were more than two players deserving of all-district recognition on vidor's football squad. to me, districts need to cut down on their all-district honors. this isn't little league, or little dribblers, where everyone needs a trophy. Bring the honor back to all-district honors! Cut the teams down so they actually mean something! i more then agree wit u bullets lumberton and dayton had way to many players on the list when i only seen a few from each team who deserved the honor like 4 example johnathan ward made 1st team all-district over wareall grogan i kno for a fact grogan was the best d-end in the district he had 10 sacks this year.................n i'm an ozen fan and i know there is no way in hell desmond wilcox from ozen should of made 1st team all-distict i dont know when making 1st team all district became about how good your team was i coulda of sworn it was an individual award but seems to me if your team made da playoffs then u had the best shot at making all district SMH at all the coaches in district 22-4a
Guest BIG HOUSE Posted December 18, 2007 Report Posted December 18, 2007 I thought Viator of LC-M should have made it
77 Posted December 18, 2007 Report Posted December 18, 2007 I thought Viator of LC-M should have made it This is in no way a knock against any of the players from LCM that made it but if any one player off of this years team deserved it that would be Viator. No i'am not related.
JS Posted December 18, 2007 Report Posted December 18, 2007 that's the whole point of my post. i'm not saying that vidor had a team full of superstars, but in any district, the list of superstars is pretty short. it's clear with this many players being honored, above average was surely, in many cases at least, good enough to get recognition. if that's the case, every team could have at least 5 or 6 guys being named (and obviously some could have 15). in all honesty, i'd be ok with vidor only getting two reps if the all-district teams were smaller and more indicative of the top talent in the district. there's no doubt that just about every player named is a solid and talented player, but in a district where solid players are a dime a dozen on the better teams, you need to raise the bar when giving out awards. IMO-MVPs and first teamers are recognized for being the outstanding players in the district--evidence of which is in part the team record-best players on the best teams. The second team and Hon. Men. are for kids who worked hard and were above average--recognition for a good personal season. There is a reason why more first team selections come from the top tier teams. If the bottom teams had more outstanding players then they would not be at the bottom. All this does not mean some kids were not overlooked---but the coaches do see them all and they make the decisions. I have to trust that they know more than I do.
kdawg08 Posted December 18, 2007 Report Posted December 18, 2007 How does viator linebacker from LCM not make it the kid had like 125 tackles... he was in or around every play on defense and played some fullback and even some offensive line
JS Posted December 18, 2007 Report Posted December 18, 2007 How does viator linebacker from LCM not make it the kid had like 125 tackles... he was in or around every play on defense and played some fullback and even some offensive lineSomeone will make the tackle--the leading tackler on a winless team is not nearly as impressive as one on a team with several good tacklers--the folks who vote would not intentionally cheat a kid
ozensfinest Posted December 18, 2007 Author Report Posted December 18, 2007 Someone will make the tackle--the leading tackler on a winless team is not nearly as impressive as one on a team with several good tacklers--the folks who vote would not intentionally cheat a kidi think a coach would cheat a kid 2 make one of his kids be in one of those spots
Guest beards_bro Posted December 18, 2007 Report Posted December 18, 2007 i more then agree wit u bullets lumberton and dayton had way to many players on the list when i only seen a few from each team who deserved the honor like 4 example johnathan ward made 1st team all-district over wareall grogan i kno for a fact grogan was the best d-end in the district he had 10 sacks this year.................n i'm an ozen fan and i know there is no way in heck desmond wilcox from ozen should of made 1st team all-distict i dont know when making 1st team all district became about how good your team was i coulda of sworn it was an individual award but seems to me if your team made da playoffs then u had the best shot at making all district SMH at all the coaches in district 22-4aHey ozen, you've got to be one of the biggest HATERS I've ever seen on here in some time. All you do is complain about this Ozen player not making it & that Ozen player not making all-district. I think the coaches know A LOT more than you do about the players they've coached against in this district. BTW, don't hate on the DE from L-Town as he was very deserving of 1st team DE. I bet you wouldn't be happy until every single player from Ozen was chosen for all-district and then you would probably still find something to complain about. According to you...all of Ozen should be on the first team. It is what it is mane...so stop hatin. It sounds to me like there are a few people that just can't stand the fact that Dayton & Lumberton got credit where credit was due and they're having a hard time dealing with that. All of the players that made it were very deserving. Some make it and some get left out every year...that's just the way it goes. You can't please everyone! BTW, you know why Dayton & Lumberton had a lot of representatives on all-district...because they were very good teams...and you know why they were very good teams...because they had a lot of good players that deserved to make all-district. What is the deal with you calling out high school kids by name and talking trash about them anyways and saying that they shouldn't have made it and what not. You do know that they are just kids right? That's not cool!
kdawg08 Posted December 18, 2007 Report Posted December 18, 2007 whatever all i know is that viator is well deserving and should have made it.
ozensfinest Posted December 19, 2007 Author Report Posted December 19, 2007 Hey ozen, you've got to be one of the biggest HATERS I've ever seen on here in some time. All you do is complain about this Ozen player not making it & that Ozen player not making all-district. I think the coaches know A LOT more than you do about the players they've coached against in this district. BTW, don't hate on the DE from L-Town as he was very deserving of 1st team DE. I bet you wouldn't be happy until every single player from Ozen was chosen for all-district and then you would probably still find something to complain about. According to you...all of Ozen should be on the first team. It is what it is mane...so stop hatin. It sounds to me like there are a few people that just can't stand the fact that Dayton & Lumberton got credit where credit was due and they're having a hard time dealing with that. All of the players that made it were very deserving. Some make it and some get left out every year...that's just the way it goes. You can't please everyone! BTW, you know why Dayton & Lumberton had a lot of representatives on all-district...because they were very good teams...and you know why they were very good teams...because they had a lot of good players that deserved to make all-district. What is the deal with you calling out high school kids by name and talking trash about them anyways and saying that they shouldn't have made it and what not. You do know that they are just kids right? That's not cool!i jus give credit where credit is due i think wareall grogan shoulda of made 1st team all district without a doubt so should isadore how can a kid lead da district tackles n not make 1st team all-district dnt undertstand that at all n i wouldnt want all of ozen's players 2 make all district because all of em dnt deserve 2 make it i coudla sworn i sed dat one of ozens cornerback shouldnt of made it i jus give credit where its due plain and simple
Guest beards_bro Posted December 19, 2007 Report Posted December 19, 2007 whatever all i know is that viator is well deserving and should have made it.I thought he should have made it to.
WTB Posted December 19, 2007 Report Posted December 19, 2007 Ozen and everyone elses Coaches must have disgreed with you on both matters. I dont think all 8 teams got together to screw kids. Apparently they thought Hynson and Beard were the 2 best LBers in the district and they thought the Wilcox kid deserved all-district. but apparently you went to every Lumberton and Dayton game while also being able to watch Ozen play so you know better than the coaches.
Guest beards_bro Posted December 19, 2007 Report Posted December 19, 2007 i jus give credit where credit is due i think wareall grogan shoulda of made 1st team all district without a doubt so should isadore how can a kid lead da district tackles n not make 1st team all-district dnt undertstand that at all n i wouldnt want all of ozen's players 2 make all district because all of em dnt deserve 2 make it i coudla sworn i sed dat one of ozens cornerback shouldnt of made it i jus give credit where its due plain and simpleGrogan is a good player and probably should have made all-district...at least 2nd team, but he didn't. There just aren't enough spots available. I also thought that B. Johnson from Ozen and Viator from LCM should have made it too but they didn't. That's just the way it goes sometimes. There are many good players who were left out.
ozensfinest Posted December 19, 2007 Author Report Posted December 19, 2007 I thought he should have made it to.i think he shoulda of made it also
Green and Bold Posted December 19, 2007 Report Posted December 19, 2007 i think he shoulda of made it alsoNot saying anyone cheated but he should have made it. A mistake was made, not cheating. IMO
Htexans90 Posted December 19, 2007 Report Posted December 19, 2007 i dont understand the reasoning behind he being left offhe was 1 vote away from first team last year and had a far better year this yearnot a knock against the players that made it, but viator was very deservingi honestly think he deserved first team, but he should have been at LEAST on second team
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