America lost. The Kangaroo Court won.

[UT alum]

34 minutes ago, BS Wildcats said:

How does a judge’s jury instructions saying they did not have to be unanimous on all counts not get this overturned?  Corruption at its finest.

That is incorrect. They had to be unanimous on all counts. They had to agree unanimously that the falsification was to hide another crime. They did not have to agree unanimously that it was particular crime. That’s the law in New York. Applied equally to all defendants committing such felonies. 

[BS Wildcats]

7 minutes ago, UT alum said:

That is incorrect. They had to be unanimous on all counts. They had to agree unanimously that the falsification was to hide another crime. They did not have to agree unanimously that it was particular crime. That’s the law in New York. Applied equally to all defendants committing such felonies. 

I don’t think this was the instructions given by the judge.  At least from what I have heard.

[Big girl]

22 hours ago, Reagan said:

Alan Dershowitz said he just added another banana to this silly situation.  Said it's up to 8 being a banana republic.  He says this was set up for a guilty decision before it got started.  Any where else in America this would not even been brought.  He says there was no law broken.  Same thing said from other lawyers (J. Turley, G. Jarrett).  But it's funny how our liberal friends here know exactly what law was broken.  It's interesting that know one in New York would take this case.  Not even Bragg.  But -- someone got to Bragg.  Would be interesting to communications between Bragg and Biden's justice department.  Have to ask yourself:  Why did the number 3 man in Biden's justice department leave to go to work for Bragg?  Hummmm...

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It is illegal to use campaign funds to pay off someone. He should've used his personal funds. Democrat John Edward's was indicted for that very reason.

[Big girl]

On 5/31/2024 at 7:17 AM, baddog said:

Have your day, CB. You tell everybody how everything is. No one else has the brain power to compete. What happened with 1/6? What happened with the docs? What happened in Georgia? Can’t you think past your nose?

Are you serious?

[baddog]

2 minutes ago, Big girl said:

Are you serious?

As a heart attack

[Big girl]

1 minute ago, baddog said:

As a heart attack

You didn't see those people storm the Capitol?

[CardinalBacker]

18 minutes ago, Big girl said:

You didn't see those people storm the Capitol?

That was them Antifas George Soros hired, lol. 
 

Apparently all of the trump supporters at the rally mysteriously vanished at the same instance a crowd of liberals disguised as patriots magically appeared at the same exact spot and attacked the Capitol on Nancy Pelosi’s orders. 
 

I swear, it happened. Just ask any of these people. 

[Reagan]

22 hours ago, UT alum said:

Of course, there is no evidence to support that claim. Quote a valid non-political source. Besides, if the conspiracy you suggest is proveable that will overturn the conviction on appeal. Why worry?

Here you go to support the claim of acting judge:  At the 1:15 mark, Mark Levine, lawyer and former chief of staff to AG Ed Meese under Ronald Reagan, says he was not a full fledged judge but an "acting" judge handpicked for every Trump related case in NY city.  

[UT alum]

17 minutes ago, Reagan said:

Here you go to support the claim of acting judge:  At the 1:15 mark, Mark Levine, lawyer and former chief of staff to AG Ed Meese under Ronald Reagan, says he was not a full fledged judge but an "acting" judge handpicked for every Trump related case in NY city.  

How did he know? He’s another Trump shill who makes his bread as a talking head. Gotta have a better source to convince me.

[Reagan]

4 hours ago, UT alum said:

That is incorrect. They had to be unanimous on all counts. They had to agree unanimously that the falsification was to hide another crime. They did not have to agree unanimously that it was particular crime. That’s the law in New York. Applied equally to all defendants committing such felonies. 

This was a misdemeanor wrapped around a supposed felony wrapped around another claim.  It was 3 separate claims.  Charging docs by the judge which has, to my knowledge, never been seen.  This judge literally said to the jury:  If 4 agree on the underlying felony, and 4 more of you agree on a separate underlying felony, and 4 more agree on a 3rd underlying felony, then they can add that all together and that would allow for the charging of a State misdemeanor be charge as a State felony -- even though this was well outside the statue of limitations!  

[Reagan]

This is what is going on with Trump:  

Lavrentiy Beria, the most ruthless and longest-serving secret police chief in Joseph Stalin’s reign of terror in Russia and Eastern Europe, bragged that he could prove criminal conduct on anyone, even the innocent.  “Show me the man and I’ll show you the crime”

 

[Reagan]

22 hours ago, UT alum said:

Why? It’s in the public domain. He could read it for himself. He’s making good money defending the indefensible, so why bother with court records?

Dershowitz: It’s a Day After the Ruling and I Still Don’t Know What the Crime Is – Merchan Took This a Step Further than Stalin – Supreme Court Should See This Case and Reverse This Case!

Maybe the legal scholar Dershowitz should contact you and you can fill him in on the crime that Trump committed.  

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4 hours ago, BS Wildcats said:

I don’t think this was the instructions given by the judge.  At least from what I have heard.

Where’d you hear it?  Talking head?  Read the Associated Press journalistic reporting from inside the room. That good enough?

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4 minutes ago, Reagan said:

Dershowitz: It’s a Day After the Ruling and I Still Don’t Know What the Crime Is – Merchan Took This a Step Further than Stalin – Supreme Court Should See This Case and Reverse This Case!

Maybe the legal scholar Dershowitz should contact you and you can fill him in on the crime that Trump committed.  

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The Gateway Pundit is not journalism. It’s evident in their name. You know what a pundit is? Opinion. Not news.

[Reagan]

1 minute ago, UT alum said:

The Gateway Pundit is not journalism. It’s evident in their name. You know what a pundit is? Opinion. Not news.

Quoting Dershowitz is an opinion?  That's interesting!  

[Reagan]

7 minutes ago, UT alum said:

Where’d you hear it?  Talking head?  Read the Associated Press journalistic reporting from inside the room. That good enough?

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Whenever a article brings up "right-wing" you know it's going to be skewed to the left.  Meaning not going to be factual.  I already told you what the jury instructions were.  

[CardinalBacker]

My understanding is that the falsification of records was the crime that he was convicted of… but for it to have been a felony act, it had to have occurred in the furtherance of another criminal act. The prosecution had to first prove that the criminal act of falsifying documents had occurred. IF the jury believed that records were falsified, they were given three possible criminal acts… any one of the three would allow a felony conviction. The instructions stated that for any of the 34 charges, all twelve of the jurors had to agree that records were falsified, but they also had to believe that the records were falsified in the furtherance of at least one other, different crime. Six jurors could believe that Trump was falsifying records to avoid paying taxes… the other six could believe that it was skirt around election laws. The jurors didn’t have to agree on which of the three alleged criminal acts Trump was trying to further by falsifying records, just so long as they agreed that a) the falsification occurred and that it b) occurred to help him cover up another crime (for which he wasn’t charged and never proven to have committed or to have even occurred, for that matter).  
 

Complete pile of crap as a prosecution, in my opinion.  
 

But, we shouldn’t cry if our nominee is the kind of man who bangs porn stars while his wife is at home with the kid, then tries to buy her silence, then breaks the law in regards to falsifying documents to hide the evidence of the coverup. 
 

If you’re wondering why falsifying those records might be illegal, it’s this. Money paid to your attorney for services performed can be deducted from one’s taxes as a legal expense. If the money is paid to a person to settle a personal claim, then the amount would be taxable-the falsification would have been done to avoid taxation. On the other hand, if campaign funds were spent to pay hush money and the records were falsified to hide the violation of campaign laws, then the felony occurred. 
 

The bottom line is this…. They didn’t have enough evidence to indict trump on any of those three things that allegedly happened… but they DID have evidence that the financial records were falsified, so they point at these other acts which can’t be proven to bump the charges on falsification to a felony. 
 

And the reason Trump didn’t take the stand is that he can’t go on the record about whether or not he had sex with Daniels… I’m certain that they can prove it and hang him up on perjury too. 
 

The most delicious irony is this… Trump gave his supporters too much credit for their integrity. He thought they’d turn on him if they found out what he’d done, when in reality they wouldn’t have given a care… Trump’s whole falsifying records and quest for secrecy wasn’t even needed… his followers don’t have moral objections to his sinful acts.  

[UT alum]

40 minutes ago, Reagan said:

Whenever an article brings up "right-wing" you know it's going to be skewed to the left.  Meaning not going to be factual.  I already told you what the jury instructions were.  

1 hour ago, Reagan said:

This was a misdemeanor wrapped around a supposed felony wrapped around another claim.  It was 3 separate claims.  Charging docs by the judge which has, to my knowledge, never been seen.  This judge literally said to the jury:  If 4 agree on the underlying felony, and 4 more of you agree on a separate underlying felony, and 4 more agree on a 3rd underlying felony, then they can add that all together and that would allow for the charging of a State misdemeanor be charge as a State felony -- even though this was well outside the statue of limitations!  

If one member of the jury had decided no crime had occurred, it would have been a hung jury.  No felony. But, that didn’t happen, so falsification of business records in furtherance of another crime is a felony in New York. Trump was found guilty by unanimous votes on 34 counts of falsifying records. 11 invoices +11 checks, + 12 ledger entries = 34. The jury was unanimous in deciding it was in furtherance of a crime. Could have been tax evasion (illegally deducting a hush payment as a legal expense), could have been money laundering, could have been election interference. 4 + 4 + 4 = 12. He’s a convicted felon. 

[baddog]

3 hours ago, Big girl said:

You didn't see those people storm the Capitol?

Put that diploma down for a minute. I asked what happened to the 1/6 accusations. What a waste of money on that sheepskin.

[baddog]

3 hours ago, Big girl said:

You didn't see those people storm the Capitol?

Notice they didn’t burn down any cities because they didn’t like the outcome of a trial????? Instead, they raised $56 million in 24 hours. What a huge difference for reaction.

[CardinalBacker]

10 minutes ago, baddog said:

Notice they didn’t burn down any cities because they didn’t like the outcome of a trial????? Instead, they raised $56 million in 24 hours. What a huge difference for reaction.

$56 million? You mean that if everybody that voted trump handed over a single dollar, he’d have more money?  Big deal… a bunch of fat cats who want those Trump tax breaks open d their big ol’ wallets up and made an investment in their future. Meanwhile, Reuters’ two day polling indicates that 10% of people who voted trump last time will not be voting for him this time. 

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Personally I’ve had no less than four auto texts from the Trump camp since the verdict asking for cash. The Trump machine is capitalizing on simpleton outrage to drum up more hush money. Nothing new to see here. 
 

Shouldn’t you be outside hanging your trump flag upside down in protest?

[UT alum]

2 hours ago, Reagan said:

Quoting Dershowitz is an opinion?  That's interesting!  

Sheesh! Are you that rock headed? Quoted Dershowitz’s opinion. I saw no citation backing anyone said. 

[UT alum]

2 hours ago, Reagan said:

This is what is going on with Trump:  

Lavrentiy Beria, the most ruthless and longest-serving secret police chief in Joseph Stalin’s reign of terror in Russia and Eastern Europe, bragged that he could prove criminal conduct on anyone, even the innocent.  “Show me the man and I’ll show you the crime”

 

That’s Russia. Are you crazy? Putin is Trump’s bestie. And you think Biden is using Putin tactics. Pretzel logic don’t even come close. It’s irrational thinking at best.

[baddog]

57 minutes ago, CardinalBacker said:

$56 million? You mean that if everybody that voted trump handed over a single dollar, he’d have more money?  Big deal… a bunch of fat cats who want those Trump tax breaks open d their big ol’ wallets up and made an investment in their future. Meanwhile, Reuters’ two day polling indicates that 10% of people who voted trump last time will not be voting for him this time. 

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Personally I’ve had no less than four auto texts from the Trump camp since the verdict asking for cash. The Trump machine is capitalizing on simpleton outrage to drum up more hush money. Nothing new to see here. 
 

Shouldn’t you be outside hanging your trump flag upside down in protest?

Simpleton outrage? Seems you skipped the first sentence. No comment huh? I have no Trump flag although it seems to entertain you that we all do. Yep, lump us all into a group and call us names, while the truly spineless speak to both sides.

[CardinalBacker]

52 minutes ago, baddog said:

Simpleton outrage? Seems you skipped the first sentence. No comment huh? I have no Trump flag although it seems to entertain you that we all do. Yep, lump us all into a group and call us names, while the truly spineless speak to both sides.

You’re literally saying that “the truly spineless speak to both sides,” while praising Manchin for going independent on a different post. 
 

You don’t admire thought… you want people who think exactly like you. That’s the basis of fascism, totalitarianism, and every other form of government that doesn’t allow any divergence from the beliefs of one particular group. 
 

We have a constitutional republic, where the views of ALL are to be considered. People with “no compromise” are the true un-American dirtbags, and opposed to everything that our founding fathers stood for. 
 

You know what all totalitarian forms of government have in common? They all fall over shortly. Even if you were to get your way and force your beliefs-and your beliefs only-onto everyone regardless of their opinions? The masses would rise up and hang you and your type’s headless corpses from street signs. 
 

That’s what you failed to understand… people that think like you are outnumbered, and you’ve abandoned the one true God in favor of worshiping a golden calf.  Or at least an orange haired one. 
 

Everybody knows that Israel is continuously being punished for their sins, turning their back on God. That’s where we are in the USA.  It’s not the secularists or leftists that have turned away-it’s the Christians. Instead of shunning the very appearance of evil, they say “just because he boasts of attacking women, he’d never rape a woman.”

 

The turning away from God by America isn’t talking about the non-believers-it’s talking about people who claim to know Christ and then following a heretic.