bullets13 Posted July 22 Report Posted July 22 20 minutes ago, Englebert said: Should the Democrats also need to work on the swing votes? Biden and the whole Democrat side can childishly call Trump every name in the book (including Hitler and the Devil himself), but the swing voters don't seem to care. Trump tweets that Biden should have never been President, and somehow this will cost him the election due to the swing voters being offended. I would like to meet these swing voters. Should anybody try to court these people? Why do the most "sensitive" people have the power to determine the future of this country? Shouldn't policies matter the most? If so, shouldn't we as a country, on both sides, ostracize the swing voters. If what you say is correct, and I tend to agree with you, aren't the swing voters detrimental to this country? If the republicans had nominated anyone but Trump then they would need to. As it is, for a voter who is comfortable voting for either party, one party putting forth someone who is wholly unlikeable makes a big difference. The dems HAVE said some things that were inappropriate, but on a whole they pale in comparison and volume to what Trump has said and done. The media has not reported these things proportionally either, but Trump has been out of control on social media for the better part of 8 years. For the life of me I don’t understand why so many on the right get so bent out of shape when people suggest that Trump could not change a single policy, but only make an effort to be likable and greatly improve his chances in the election. It’s irrelevant that it’s stupid, because you and everyone else know it’s true. It’s irrelevant that the swing voters are stupid to base their decision on it, because it’s still true. If, as a candidate, even if his policy is solid, Trump is losing votes do to his behavior and persona, it’s up to Trump to change his behavior. Sitting back after the fact and talking about how stupid it is that people didn’t vote for him because he’s arrogant and abrasive won’t do us much good if we have a democrat in office for another four years.
Reagan Posted July 22 Report Posted July 22 Trump will hang JoeBama around Kamalina's neck. The faces are interchangeable. Two peas in a pod. Landslide!! Maybe worst. LOL!! Trump 2024 -- Too Big To Rig!
bullets13 Posted July 22 Report Posted July 22 2 minutes ago, Reagan said: Trump will hang JoeBama around Kamalina's neck. The faces are interchangeable. Two peas in a pod. Landslide!! Maybe worst. LOL!! Trump 2024 -- Too Big To Rig! Doing just that is the smart thing to do, but I highly doubt there will be any landslide. It’s gonna come down to the wire.
Englebert Posted July 22 Report Posted July 22 20 minutes ago, bullets13 said: If the republicans had nominated anyone but Trump then they would need to. As it is, for a voter who is comfortable voting for either party, one party putting forth someone who is wholly unlikeable makes a big difference. For the life of me I don’t understand why so many on the right get so bent out of shape when people suggest that Trump could not change a single policy, but only make an effort to be likable and greatly improve his chances in the election. It’s irrelevant if it’s stupid, because you and everyone else know it’s true. It’s irrelevant if the swing voters are stupid to base their decision on it, because it’s still true. If, as a candidate, even if his policy is solid, Trump is losing votes do to his behavior and persona, it’s up to Trump to change his behavior. Sitting back after the fact and talking about how stupid it is that people didn’t vote for him because he’s arrogant and abrasive won’t do us much good if we have a democrat in office for another four years. I have no idea what you mean when you say Trump could not change a single policy. Can you elaborate? You say Trump is losing votes due to his behavior, but Biden and the Democrats literally act worse than him...but do not lose these voters. Biden persecuted his political rival...framing him with lies, attempted to bankrupt, jail, and assassinate him. But the swing voters don't care, and thus the Democrats do not lose votes. Again, aren't these hypocrite swing voters detrimental to this country? They swing only one way, and not based on policy but based on behavior. Are these people not the most disgusting people on the face of the earth? Oops, I sounded like a Democrat there. Let me restate: Are these people destined to bring down the greatest nation that ever existed?
Big girl Posted July 22 Report Posted July 22 3 minutes ago, Englebert said: I have no idea what you mean when you say Trump could not change a single policy. Can you elaborate? You say Trump is losing votes due to his behavior, but Biden and the Democrats literally act worse than him...but do not lose these voters. Biden persecuted his political rival...framing him with lies, attempted to bankrupt, jail, and assassinate him. But the swing voters don't care, and thus the Democrats do not lose votes. Again, aren't these hypocrite swing voters detrimental to this country? They swing only one way, and not based on policy but based on behavior. Are these people not the most disgusting people on the face of the earth? What Democrat acts worse than Trump?
Englebert Posted July 22 Report Posted July 22 49 minutes ago, Big girl said: What Democrat acts worse than Trump? You for one. Can you count how many times the Democrats have called Trump "a threat to democrcay", Hitler, the anti-Christ, etc, etc, etc.? You have really got to be kidding me posing this question. I really hope this was sarcastic. I would hate to know a person that really thought this question was legitimate.
bullets13 Posted July 22 Report Posted July 22 38 minutes ago, Englebert said: I have no idea what you mean when you say Trump could not change a single policy. Can you elaborate? You say Trump is losing votes due to his behavior, but Biden and the Democrats literally act worse than him...but do not lose these voters. Biden persecuted his political rival...framing him with lies, attempted to bankrupt, jail, and assassinate him. But the swing voters don't care, and thus the Democrats do not lose votes. Again, aren't these hypocrite swing voters detrimental to this country? They swing only one way, and not based on policy but based on behavior. Are these people not the most disgusting people on the face of the earth? Oops, I sounded like a Democrat there. Let me restate: Are these people destined to bring down the greatest nation that ever existed? What I mean is that he could do literally everything the same, without changing any of his policies. All he’d need to do (likely too late at this point) would be to shut up and be polite (and quit posting on social media). ONE democrat tried to assassinate him. And while I don’t agree with the actions the democrats have taken towards trump in the courts, his own bad behaviors opened him up to it. If he hadn’t done things like cheat on his wife with a porn star and then pay her off with hush money, the left couldn’t have brought charges based on it. And if he hadn’t been such a pompous and arrogant windbag for his entire presidency, people wouldn’t be so accepting of his treatment by the left. As it is, when the left calls him names and make accusations, and bring about dubious or even false charges against him, many people dislike him so much they either agree with it or go along with it. Him being unlikeable doesn’t justify those actions, but it does factor in to so many people accepting them.
LumRaiderFan Posted July 22 Report Posted July 22 1 hour ago, bullets13 said: You’re right, they should stick to what they did last election, since it worked so well. I guess we’ll see what happens this time. At least he has a weaker opponent and the country is in a bad spot. Maybe that’ll be enough for people to look past his childish behavior, but maybe not. Kinda thought you were above insulting sarcasm, tbh What I am above is placing what you call childish behavior above the good of the country. What is sad is that once Trump is gone, those same folks will still be voting on emotion and their hurt little feelings and still will be unable to discern the best choice for the country. I think you know I don’t include you in this group and think you will put results over personality. And yes, some of the clowns on here will pull insulting sarcasm out from time to time, lol. bullets13 and 5GallonBucket 2
Englebert Posted July 22 Report Posted July 22 Just now, bullets13 said: What I mean is that he could do literally everything the same, without changing any of his policies. All he’d need to do (likely too late at this point) would be to shut up and be polite. ONE democrat tried to assassinate him. And while I don’t agree with the actions the democrats have taken towards trump in the courts, his own bad behaviors opened him up to it. Why is it that Trump is the one who needs to change? Biden, including practically every member of his cabinet, practically all Democrat members of both houses, and most of the media has called Trump every name in the book. So no, Trump has not been worse. But swing voters don't seem to care. Again, why is Trump the one that needs to change his behavior? It is almost hilarious. No, strike that...it would be freaking hilarious if it wasn't so serious. When you find one of these swing voters, and I'm sure you know some, make sure to let them know they are not a "swing" voter. And also let them know that policy should drive their vote. And also make sure to tell them that they are a "threat to democracy" (as a Democrat would say). And tell them to treat insults from both sides equally. I know, that last one is the deal breaker. Do all swing voters think that actions that would only be prosecuted based on the person's political leanings be okay? Who are these people? "Threats to democracy". Emphatically...yes. So again, why do the "sensitive" people have so much control on the future of this country. Why is it that Republicans need to court these swing voters, but Democrats can act worse without losing their support? Should something need to be done about these swingers?
Reagan Posted July 22 Report Posted July 22 Heck, Yobama won't even endorse her. Why? Because even he knows it's gonna be a total wipeout. So, not so sure she's gonna be the nominee! Gonna be interesting and fun!
Englebert Posted July 22 Report Posted July 22 24 minutes ago, bullets13 said: What I mean is that he could do literally everything the same, without changing any of his policies. All he’d need to do (likely too late at this point) would be to shut up and be polite. ONE democrat tried to assassinate him. And while I don’t agree with the actions the democrats have taken towards trump in the courts, his own bad behaviors opened him up to it. I can't believe you made this statement. How would you feel if a prosecutor that doesn't like you comes after you. That would be a "threat to democracy", And I don't take that statement lightly. I can't believe I just read that statement from you. I'm guessing, or hoping, it was just a faux pas on your part. Let us know.
LumRaiderFan Posted July 22 Report Posted July 22 5 minutes ago, Englebert said: Why is it that Trump is the one who needs to change? Biden, including practically every member of his cabinet, practically all Democrat members of both houses, and most of the media has called Trump every name in the book. So no, Trump has not been worse. But swing voters don't seem to care. Again, why is Trump the one that needs to change his behavior? It is almost hilarious. No, strike that...it would be freaking hilarious if it wasn't so serious. When you find one of these swing voters, and I'm sure you know some, make sure to let them know they are not a "swing" voter. And also let them know that policy should drive their vote. And also make sure to tell them that they are a "threat to democracy" (as a Democrat would say). And tell them to treat insults from both sides equally. I know, that last one is the deal breaker. Do all swing voters think that actions that would only be prosecuted based on the person's political leanings be okay? Who are these people? "Threats to democracy". Emphatically...yes. So again, why do the "sensitive" people have so much control on the future of this country. Why is it that Republicans need to court these swing voters, but Democrats can act worse without losing their support? Should something need to be done about these swingers? That’s the reason I say we are doomed, long after Trump is gone, these swing voters that vote on emotion or on what they can get out of their country will still be here, there won’t be a Trump around to blame their bad choices on. Englebert 1
Reagan Posted July 22 Report Posted July 22 The only politician in America right now with a lower approval rating than Joebama is Kamalina. Joebama is at 39%. Kamalina is at 38%. President Trump is at 43%.
LumRaiderFan Posted July 22 Report Posted July 22 33 minutes ago, bullets13 said: What I mean is that he could do literally everything the same, without changing any of his policies. All he’d need to do (likely too late at this point) would be to shut up and be polite (and quit posting on social media). ONE democrat tried to assassinate him. And while I don’t agree with the actions the democrats have taken towards trump in the courts, his own bad behaviors opened him up to it. If he hadn’t done things like cheat on his wife with a porn star and then pay her off with hush money, the left couldn’t have brought charges based on it. And if he hadn’t been such a pompous and arrogant windbag for his entire presidency, people wouldn’t be so accepting of his treatment by the left. As it is, when the left calls him names and make accusations, and bring about dubious or even false charges against him, many people dislike him so much they either agree with it or go along with it. Him being unlikeable doesn’t justify those actions, but it does factor in to so many people accepting them. So what did he do to make the Clinton campaign make up the Steele dossier? Was that caused by his own actions? What a ridiculous take, smh.
Reagan Posted July 22 Report Posted July 22 Just heard that Joe Manchin might reregister as a Democrat and throw his hat into the ring. 🤷♂️
Englebert Posted July 22 Report Posted July 22 41 minutes ago, bullets13 said: What I mean is that he could do literally everything the same, without changing any of his policies. All he’d need to do (likely too late at this point) would be to shut up and be polite (and quit posting on social media). ONE democrat tried to assassinate him. And while I don’t agree with the actions the democrats have taken towards trump in the courts, his own bad behaviors opened him up to it. If he hadn’t done things like cheat on his wife with a porn star and then pay her off with hush money, the left couldn’t have brought charges based on it. And if he hadn’t been such a pompous and arrogant windbag for his entire presidency, people wouldn’t be so accepting of his treatment by the left. As it is, when the left calls him names and make accusations, and bring about dubious or even false charges against him, many people dislike him so much they either agree with it or go along with it. Him being unlikeable doesn’t justify those actions, but it does factor in to so many people accepting them. You added some things after I quoted you, so let me address those additions. Clinton was one of the most arrogant windbags I have ever seen. The swing voters didn't care. Obama was a bigger arrogant windbag than Clinton. The swing voters didn't care. Trump was on par with Clinton and Obama (well, slightly less than Obama), and the swing voters throw a hissy fit. Again, tell the "swing" voters that they are the real "threat to democracy".
bullets13 Posted July 22 Report Posted July 22 14 minutes ago, Englebert said: I can't believe you made this statement. How would you feel if a prosecutor that doesn't like you comes after you. That would be a "threat to democracy", And I don't take that statement lightly. I can't believe I just read that statement from you. I'm guessing, or hoping, it was just a faux pas on your part. Let us know. not sure what to tell you. I meant what I said, but that doesn’t mean you’ve read into my meaning correctly. I’ll try and clarify I guess: Trump’s questionable, and undoubtedly in some instances illegal behavior has opened him up to political railroading by the left. I don’t agree with this railroading, but would’ve preferred he not do these stupid things in the first place.
bullets13 Posted July 22 Report Posted July 22 13 minutes ago, LumRaiderFan said: So what did he do to make the Clinton campaign make up the Steele dossier? Was that caused by his own actions? What a ridiculous take, smh. Okay.
bullets13 Posted July 22 Report Posted July 22 5 minutes ago, Englebert said: You added some things after I quoted you, so let me address those additions. Clinton was one of the most arrogant windbags I have ever seen. The swing voters didn't care. Obama was a bigger arrogant windbag than Clinton. The swing voters didn't care. Trump was on par with Clinton and Obama (well, slightly less than Obama), and the swing voters throw a hissy fit. Again, tell the "swing" voters that they are the real "threat to democracy". I lived through all of those presidencies, and none of them came close to the relentless, never ending vitriol that has spewed out of trump’s mouth. Maybe it would’ve been different if Clinton had a Twitter to vent on, I don’t know.
Englebert Posted July 22 Report Posted July 22 Just now, bullets13 said: not sure what to tell you. I meant what I said, but that doesn’t mean you’ve read into my meaning correctly. I’ll try and clarify I guess: Trump’s questionable, and undoubtedly in some instances illegal behavior has opened him up to political railroading by the left. I don’t agree with this railroading, but would’ve preferred he not do these stupid things in the first place. Prosecuting someone base on past and unrelated behavior is about as unAmerican as one can get. It is really disheartening hearing you take this position.
bullets13 Posted July 22 Report Posted July 22 14 minutes ago, Reagan said: Just heard that Joe Manchin might reregister as a Democrat and throw his hat into the ring. 🤷♂️ If he does he’s winning. And it wouldn’t be the end of the world. He could at least get something done with a divided Congress maybe.
Englebert Posted July 22 Report Posted July 22 3 minutes ago, bullets13 said: I lived through all of those presidencies, and none of them came close to the relentless, never ending vitriol that has spewed out of trump’s mouth. Maybe it would’ve been different if Clinton had a Twitter to vent on, I don’t know. The never ending vitriol was matched and far, far exceeded by Biden and his minions. It is disheartening that you can't see it. And again, the swing voters didn't care...until Trump acted similarly.
bullets13 Posted July 22 Report Posted July 22 Just now, Englebert said: Prosecuting someone base on past and unrelated behavior is about as unAmerican as one can get. It is really disheartening hearing you take this position. How is my position disheartening? I said I don’t condone it. That doesn’t change the fact that he shouldn’t have been stupid enough to do it in the first place.
bullets13 Posted July 22 Report Posted July 22 2 minutes ago, Englebert said: The never ending vitriol was matched and far, far exceeded by Biden and his minions. It is disheartening that you can't see it. I think the difference is you agreed with a lot of what Trump said so maybe it didn’t seem as bad
Englebert Posted July 22 Report Posted July 22 3 minutes ago, bullets13 said: How is my position disheartening? I said I don’t condone it. That doesn’t change the fact that he shouldn’t have been stupid enough to do it in the first place. You qualified it.
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