Who Do You Believe?

[Big girl]

19 hours ago, baddog said:

Yeah, she never instituted a border plan. Oh wait…….don’t come. That was so rigged. 
 

What has Trump done to hurt you?

There was a bipartisan immigration plan, Trump convinced some people to not vote for it so that he could use it as a talking point

 

[Big girl]

19 hours ago, 5GallonBucket said:

They signed a contract that stated they can’t call out their own.

What?

[Big girl]

17 hours ago, LumRaiderFan said:

Why do we need another plan?  Is there something wrong with Obamacare?

Nope. Ask Trump why another plan was needed

[Big girl]

17 hours ago, LumRaiderFan said:

The concept is garbage, best way to improve it is get rid of it.

So you want to go back to the days where people had a.limit on how much money could be used on their Healthcare. A lot of plans dropped you once you reached 3 million. What about the fact that a person could be denied coverage based on a pre existing condition, do you want that to happen?

[UT alum]

17 hours ago, LumRaiderFan said:

The concept is garbage, best way to improve it is get rid of it.

So, back to pre existing conditions?

[UT alum]

16 hours ago, SmashMouth said:

What do you mean projection?

You’re projecting Trump onto Harris. He has no plans. Plenty of concepts but no idea how to develop them. That’s what he needed someone to write Project 2025. 

[thetragichippy]

19 minutes ago, Big girl said:

There was a bipartisan immigration plan, Trump convinced some people to not vote for it so that he could use it as a talking point

 

It let 5000 immigrants in per day - that's 1.8 million a year.....I'm glad that bill did not pass. 

[UT alum]

16 hours ago, SmashMouth said:

Feel lucky, mine’s $5,000 now for a crappy HMO. 

You’re making a good case fro Medicare for all.

[SmashMouth]

1 minute ago, UT alum said:

You’re projecting Trump onto Harris. He has no plans. Plenty of concepts but no idea how to develop them. That’s what he needed someone to write Project 2025. 

Once again, you're way off base partner. I never mentioned Trump. I'm talking about Kamala and her empty shell of newly-formed promises. For instance, from her "New Way Forward" plan:  "Meanwhile, Trump has no plan to lower costs for Americans—in fact, under his agenda, prices for a typical American family would soar by nearly $4,000 annually." WHAT? Has she looked at what she and Uncle Joe have already done? I make a helluva living, and even I can feel it over these last 4 years. Home chick is full of "plenty of concepts but no idea how to develop them". And your comment about Trump and Project 2025 is totally baseless - like most of your arguments - so I'm not surprised. I'm not saying any of this as a so-called "MAGA" Republican. I'm sincerely concerned about the path our country as a whole has gone down, and even more concerned about where it would go with a Harris presidency.

[SmashMouth]

11 minutes ago, UT alum said:

You’re making a good case fro Medicare for all.

Incorrect sir. That's even worse than an HMO.

[thetragichippy]

11 minutes ago, UT alum said:

You’re making a good case fro Medicare for all.

They should of just expanded Medicare and Medicaid to treat people who either can't afford to have health insurance or their employer does not offer.  They should of left the private sector alone. There was no need for insurance for all.....

The other issue is some folks are not responsible enough to get and maintain  insurance.  In my profession I see MANY people who make really good money, but have sorry credit because they don't pay their bills on time.  

There are also some that KNOW if you're sick and call an ambulance, they HAVE to transport you to a hospital(money or no money) - they also know if they walk into a hospital, they cannot be refused treatment......This is why a week stay in a hospital would bankrupt most people if they had to pay.

 

[SmashMouth]

5 minutes ago, thetragichippy said:

They should of just expanded Medicare and Medicaid to treat people who either can't afford to have health insurance or their employer does not offer.  They should of left the private sector alone. There was no need for insurance for all.....

The other issue is some folks are not responsible enough to get and maintain  insurance.  In my profession I see MANY people who make really good money, but have sorry credit because they don't pay their bills on time.  

There are also some that KNOW if you're sick and call an ambulance, they HAVE to transport you to a hospital(money or no money) - they also know if they walk into a hospital, they cannot be refused treatment......This is why a week stay in a hospital would bankrupt most people if they had to pay.

 

Additionally, since the employee mandate was done away with but the employer mandate was left in place (both should be abolished), only the sickest are the ones who generally get on the company health insurance which drives up the cost for all of us. Young healthy people simply don't get insured. I'm considering dropping my health coverage altogether and becoming a "cash pay" patient. Unless something tragic happens, I'll save close to $9,000 per year.

[UT alum]

16 minutes ago, SmashMouth said:

Once again, you're way off base partner. I never mentioned Trump. I'm talking about Kamala and her empty shell of newly-formed promises. For instance, from her "New Way Forward" plan:  "Meanwhile, Trump has no plan to lower costs for Americans—in fact, under his agenda, prices for a typical American family would soar by nearly $4,000 annually." WHAT? Has she looked at what she and Uncle Joe have already done? I make a helluva living, and even I can feel it over these last 4 years. Home chick is full of "plenty of concepts but no idea how to develop them". And your comment about Trump and Project 2025 is totally baseless - like most of your arguments - so I'm not surprised. I'm not saying any of this as a so-called "MAGA" Republican. I'm sincerely concerned about the path our country as a whole has gone down, and even more concerned about where it would go with a Harris presidency.

That’s what an across the board 20% tariff will do. You think Wal Mart will eat that 20%? Darn near everything they sell comes from China. Wal Mart prices go up 20% overnight. Project 2025 and Trump is not baseless. Vance wrote the danged forward. Keep eating Trump’s lies up. Reckoning is coming.

[UT alum]

11 minutes ago, SmashMouth said:

Additionally, since the employee mandate was done away with but the employer mandate was left in place (both should be abolished), only the sickest are the ones who generally get on the company health insurance which drives up the cost for all of us. Young healthy people simply don't get insured. I'm considering dropping my health coverage altogether and becoming a "cash pay" patient. Unless something tragic happens, I'll save close to $9,000 per year.

That’s why people buy insurance. Tragic happens.

[UT alum]

17 minutes ago, thetragichippy said:

They should of just expanded Medicare and Medicaid to treat people who either can't afford to have health insurance or their employer does not offer.  They should of left the private sector alone. There was no need for insurance for all.....

The other issue is some folks are not responsible enough to get and maintain  insurance.  In my profession I see MANY people who make really good money, but have sorry credit because they don't pay their bills on time.  

There are also some that KNOW if you're sick and call an ambulance, they HAVE to transport you to a hospital(money or no money) - they also know if they walk into a hospital, they cannot be refused treatment......This is why a week stay in a hospital would bankrupt most people if they had to pay.

 

Do you know what adverse selection is?

[SmashMouth]

6 minutes ago, UT alum said:

That’s why people buy insurance. Tragic happens.

Until they can't afford it.

 

10 minutes ago, UT alum said:

That’s what an across the board 20% tariff will do. You think Wal Mart will eat that 20%?

Do you think the same will happen with Kamala's proposed increase in corporate taxes by 7%? She's proposing to increase a multitude of taxes by $5 trillion dollars including corporate income tax, stock buybacks by 3% and her proposed plan also requires big companies (like your Walmart example) to pay taxes worth at least 15 percent of the income they report to investors. So are you saying she will in essence be raising taxes on the middle class since "You think Wal Mart will eat that 20%?"

[LumRaiderFan]

3 hours ago, UT alum said:

So, back to pre existing conditions?

Back to the federal government out of the private healthcare's business.

Folks show up at the hospital all the time with or without a pre-existing condition, with or without insurance, with or without money and guess what, they receive treatment.

It's two different mindsets, yours, who thinks the government is the answer, and mine, who thinks government is the problem.

Not hard to figure out whose right.

[SmashMouth]

3 hours ago, UT alum said:

Do you know what adverse selection is?

Yeah, when the buyer knows more than the seller or vice-versa, kinda like what Nancy Pelosi does in the stock market...

[LumRaiderFan]

24 minutes ago, SmashMouth said:

Yeah, when the buyer knows more than the seller or vice-versa, kinda like what Nancy Pelosi does in the stock market...

That is EXACTLY what I thought of when I saw it, not her particularly, but Congress in general.

[Big girl]

5 hours ago, thetragichippy said:

It let 5000 immigrants in per day - that's 1.8 million a year.....I'm glad that bill did not pass. 

Bs. It was written by a conservative Congressman

[Big girl]

2 hours ago, LumRaiderFan said:

Back to the federal government out of the private healthcare's business.

Folks show up at the hospital all the time with or without a pre-existing condition, with or without insurance, with or without money and guess what, they receive treatment.

It's two different mindsets, yours, who thinks the government is the answer, and mine, who thinks government is the problem.

Not hard to figure out whose right.

So you are ok with people not having insurance due to having pre-existing conditions and do you care if sick people lose their coverage after they reach a certain dollar amount? Do you have any pre-existing conditions?

[Big girl]

4 hours ago, SmashMouth said:

Until they can't afford it.

 

Do you think the same will happen with Kamala's proposed increase in corporate taxes by 7%? She's proposing to increase a multitude of taxes by $5 trillion dollars including corporate income tax, stock buybacks by 3% and her proposed plan also requires big companies (like your Walmart example) to pay taxes worth at least 15 percent of the income they report to investors. So are you saying she will in essence be raising taxes on the middle class since "You think Wal Mart will eat that 20%?"

Do you think giving tax cuts to the rich is a smart idea?

[baddog]

16 minutes ago, Big girl said:

Bs. It was written by a conservative Congressman

Who authored it again?

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[LumRaiderFan]

19 minutes ago, Big girl said:

So you are ok with people not having insurance due to having pre-existing conditions and do you care if sick people lose their coverage after they reach a certain dollar amount? Do you have any pre-existing conditions?

I'm saying the federal government has no business in the healthcare industry.  It's too large to manage properly and invites corruption.

Do you care that a hard working family of four had their healthcare cost double, triple, quadruple because of the "affordable" health care act?

[LumRaiderFan]

21 minutes ago, Big girl said:

Do you think giving tax cuts to the rich is a smart idea?

Yes, I do, I would rather have it in their pocket to reinvest rather than wasted by the government.