VPfan2017 Posted October 6 Report Posted October 6 Crazy the upheaval over this, people gotta understand, new HC, some players quitting, when a guy like jeff leaves there is gonna be turnover and change. Just from a cultural standpoint. Jeff is a great dude, and is hard to replace, record aside, what he has done for the program and the kids. I definitely think Dubois can get it done, and build a consistent program, but cannot bet the house on the first year or two. Give Dubois a chance with the kids coming up and let him work. As ive said before, a great class coming up, if you think the issue lies with the offense, go watch a thursday game and see the difference. Youll be pleasantly surprised at how well the offense is run when you have the kids to do it. Sometimes some groups just dont have the athletes, or the numbers. The Slot T is not a simple offense to run even tho it looks like it. Offensive line is the cog that runs it, and its extremely complex in the trenches with blocking schemes based on defensive alignment. Something as little as a poor first step by a pulling guard is enough to completely blow a play up. Not the end of the world. Vidor is not, and never has been a power house, so the idea we should dominate these teams year in and year out is questionable at best. Some years are good, some years are not. vhs 1
Mr. Thornton Melon Posted October 6 Report Posted October 6 5 hours ago, VPfan2017 said: Crazy the upheaval over this, people gotta understand, new HC, some players quitting, when a guy like jeff leaves there is gonna be turnover and change. Just from a cultural standpoint. Jeff is a great dude, and is hard to replace, record aside, what he has done for the program and the kids. I definitely think Dubois can get it done, and build a consistent program, but cannot bet the house on the first year or two. Give Dubois a chance with the kids coming up and let him work. As ive said before, a great class coming up, if you think the issue lies with the offense, go watch a thursday game and see the difference. Youll be pleasantly surprised at how well the offense is run when you have the kids to do it. Sometimes some groups just dont have the athletes, or the numbers. The Slot T is not a simple offense to run even tho it looks like it. Offensive line is the cog that runs it, and its extremely complex in the trenches with blocking schemes based on defensive alignment. Something as little as a poor first step by a pulling guard is enough to completely blow a play up. Not the end of the world. Vidor is not, and never has been a power house, so the idea we should dominate these teams year in and year out is questionable at best. Some years are good, some years are not. DuBois and Mathews suck at coaching football. I'm sorry I said it but it's true. May be good "DUDES" but not good coaches
Mr. Thornton Melon Posted October 6 Report Posted October 6 12 hours ago, vhs said: Your level of bitterness knows no bounds.... Did "Lil Johnny" not get to start and you just can't let it go or what? No, just telling the truth. Is that still allowed in 2024 or has the truth been cancelled.
VPfan2017 Posted October 6 Report Posted October 6 55 minutes ago, Mr. Thornton Melon said: DuBois and Mathews suck at coaching football. I'm sorry I said it but it's true. May be good "DUDES" but not good coaches And ur an expert on coaching football? If you dont have TALENT it doesnt matter how good of a coach you are, coaching can only do so much, at the end of the day its about the athletes on the field. Plain and simple. Great coaches can look mediocre if they have no talent, and bad coaching can look decent with good talent. The players are the deciding factor in it all. Its literally that simple. This is highschool sports, you dont get to handpick kids from thousands of the best athletes around the country. Some years you got the horses; some you dont, and coaching can only cover up so much. At the end of the day it reverts back to what ive said before, some years you have it, some you dont, and this year is no different.
RonWithTwoAs Posted October 6 Report Posted October 6 I didn’t really hear about this until after the game, but the score might have been affected some because of some changes Vidor made. Apparently, starting on Monday last week, they took their starting RBs out, put a linebacker at FB, their safety in at QB, QB went to TB, and it sounded like they used a DE as a TE or something.
VPfan2017 Posted October 6 Report Posted October 6 Not bashing the kids either. Just this year we dont have it, kids play hard, and to the best of their abilities, and i hope they can stream some wins together, perhaps play spoiler and go out on a good note.
VPfan2017 Posted October 6 Report Posted October 6 Just now, RonWithTwoAs said: I didn’t really hear about this until after the game, but the score might have been affected some because of some changes Vidor made. Apparently, starting on Monday last week, they took their starting RBs out, put a linebacker at FB, their safety in at QB, QB went to TB, and it sounded like they used a DE as a TE or something. QB started at TB in years past, stankovich played both sides some this year and last. Vidor is just thin on the RB group this year, especially with Marlowe suspended, and the starting HB quitting before the season.
VPfan2017 Posted October 6 Report Posted October 6 Things will improve, just have to let it play out.. the next few years will be fun for us vidor fans in my opinion.
Bigdog Posted October 6 Report Posted October 6 1 hour ago, VPfan2017 said: And ur an expert on coaching football? If you dont have TALENT it doesnt matter how good of a coach you are, coaching can only do so much, at the end of the day its about the athletes on the field. Plain and simple. Great coaches can look mediocre if they have no talent, and bad coaching can look decent with good talent. The players are the deciding factor in it all. Its literally that simple. This is highschool sports, you dont get to handpick kids from thousands of the best athletes around the country. Some years you got the horses; some you dont, and coaching can only cover up so much. At the end of the day it reverts back to what ive said before, some years you have it, some you dont, and this year is no different. Ok, I buy into that up to a point, but are you telling me they haven’t had the talent in 30 years? ( minus the Quarante years) Reagan 1
VPfan2017 Posted October 6 Report Posted October 6 35 minutes ago, Bigdog said: Ok, I buy into that up to a point, but are you telling me they haven’t had the talent in 30 years? ( minus the Quarante years) Nah im not saying that at all, but there’s rarely times where we have athletes across the field at every position, atleast from my recollection.. I got into vidor football hardcore Montanas junior year, and thats as far back as my memory goes with that lol Could coaching be better? Yeah sure, it can always be better, but to say both of those coaches are bad coaches is a stretch to me.
Bigdog Posted October 6 Report Posted October 6 4 minutes ago, VPfan2017 said: Nah im not saying that at all, but there’s rarely times where we have athletes across the field at every position, atleast from my recollection.. I got into vidor football hardcore Montanas junior year, and thats as far back as my memory goes with that lol Could coaching be better? Yeah sure, it can always be better, but to say both of those coaches are bad coaches is a stretch to me. I tend to lean towards a bad offensive system being run by the last two. I’m not going to pile on the slot t bashing, but it hasn’t worked out well the last twenty or so years and I think it doesn’t prepare the defense very well either for facing spread or multiple offenses. And before someone jumps in talking about other teams that run it, I am referring to Vidor specifically.
VPfan2017 Posted October 6 Report Posted October 6 7 minutes ago, Bigdog said: I tend to lean towards a bad offensive system being run by the last two. I’m not going to pile on the slot t bashing, but it hasn’t worked out well the last twenty or so years and I think it doesn’t prepare the defense very well either for facing spread or multiple offenses. And before someone jumps in talking about other teams that run it, I am referring to Vidor specifically. I can agree with that. I wish we were more open offensively, i love the slot t, but i also wish we could spread the ball out, and run multiple sets, and ive seen the freshman group take shotgun snaps pregame with the freshman offense.. so maybe thats in the plan? idk if it was for scout team stuff, or working on it for themselves, but it was a nice changeup, and it looked really good they run slot t during the games, but part of me thinks theyll break that out sometime this year and mix up the offense by running shotgun, and slot t in the same game
Bigdog Posted October 6 Report Posted October 6 1 minute ago, VPfan2017 said: I can agree with that. I wish we were more open offensively, i love the slot t, but i also wish we could spread the ball out, and run multiple sets, and ive seen the freshman group take shotgun snaps pregame with the freshman offense.. so maybe thats in the plan? idk if it was for scout team stuff, or working on it for themselves, but it was a nice changeup, and it looked really good That would be nice for them if they can become effective. If you look at most teams, there aren’t many that run purely one type of offense anymore. Most are a conglomeration of multiple sets and types of offense. VPfan2017 1
VPfan2017 Posted October 6 Report Posted October 6 7 minutes ago, Bigdog said: That would be nice for them if they can become effective. If you look at most teams, there aren’t many that run purely one type of offense anymore. Most are a conglomeration of multiple sets and types of offense. Yes, and i hope that its a consistent thing moving forward that vidor does go to the multiple set look. It may even bring some excitement to the program and get numbers back up again
Thorton Melon Is my Bitc7 Posted October 6 Report Posted October 6 4 hours ago, Mr. Thornton Melon said: DuBois and Mathews suck at coaching football. I'm sorry I said it but it's true. May be good "DUDES" but not good coaches I am ok with you saying whatever you want to say, but be a man and put your real name on it. Watched you bash for years Jeff Matthews
Bigdog Posted October 6 Report Posted October 6 12 minutes ago, Jeff Matthews said: I am ok with you saying whatever you want to say, but be a man and put your real name on it. Watched you bash for years Jeff Matthews You first, because your not JM.
VPfan2017 Posted October 6 Report Posted October 6 Yeah JM most definitely would not resort to posting on here i dont think lmao, especially if he hasnt already with all the people that bashed him in the past 💀 Dont think ive ever seen Mr Melon have anything positive to say about the program
Thorton Melon Is my Bitc7 Posted October 6 Report Posted October 6 1 minute ago, VPfan2017 said: Yeah JM most definitely would not resort to posting on here i dont think lmao, especially if he hasnt already with all the people that bashed him in the past 💀 School wouldn't let me while I was coaching. Now that i'm retired I can respond. I am not mad. Just playing along
Mr. Buddy Garrity Posted October 6 Report Posted October 6 I always thought Jeff last name was Mathews, not Matthews. OleCoog 1
vhs Posted October 6 Report Posted October 6 5 hours ago, Mr. Thornton Melon said: DuBois and Mathews suck at coaching football. I'm sorry I said it but it's true. May be good "DUDES" but not good coaches … you are more clueless than i thought… that statement right there disqualifies you from the conversation … it’s obvious this is a personal thing for you… I think I’m close… I think it was you or your kid that didn’t get enough snaps
AggiesAreWe Posted October 6 Report Posted October 6 7 minutes ago, Mr. Buddy Garrity said: I always thought Jeff last name was Mathews, not Matthews. It is. Mathews, not Matthews like the imposter. VPfan2017 1
AggiesAreWe Posted October 6 Report Posted October 6 10 minutes ago, Jeff Matthews said: School wouldn't let me while I was coaching. Now that i'm retired I can respond. I am not mad. Just playing along You sir will need to change your screen name immediately. Impersonating a local coach here is against site rules.
AggiesAreWe Posted October 6 Report Posted October 6 Also, any continued bashing of a coach, current or past, will result in a ban from this site. @Mr. Thornton Melon bullets13 1
AggiesAreWe Posted October 6 Report Posted October 6 Just got confirmation from the man himself. This is not former Vidor head coach Jeff Mathews making these posts in this thread. VPfan2017 1
Tiger33 Posted October 6 Report Posted October 6 10 minutes ago, AggiesAreWe said: You sir will need to change your screen name immediately. Impersonating a local coach here is against site rules. 😂😂😂😂 im sorry this is just funny. Impersonating a guy and misspell his own name lol they wonder why criminals get caught lol Mr. Buddy Garrity, bullets13 and AggiesAreWe 3
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