Barbers Hill (17) @ Port Arthur Memorial (20) - FINAL

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

43 minutes ago, TradenupBH said:

Second round would be Weiss or College Station. Not a good draw.

Weiss is still my wildcard to win the region. 

[Gametyme05]

1 hour ago, Mr. Buddy Garrity said:

Weiss is still my wildcard to win the region. 

The freshman still starting at QB? He's gonna be really good one day just think he's to young right now. They're more than capable to win the region. 

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

1 minute ago, Gametyme05 said:

The freshman still starting at QB? He's gonna be really good one day just think he's to young right now. They're more than capable to win the region. 

Yup the freshman still at QB1, their skill position guys are legit, their defense can be a bit shaky when playing a good opponent though. 

[Goslin]

So why, exactly, did BH not go for the field goal at the end of the game?  I know they got down to the 2 and then got sacked twice but did they not have any time outs or did Coach Abseck lose track of the clock or something else happen, or what?

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

1 minute ago, Goslin said:

So why, exactly, did BH not go for the field goal at the end of the game?  I know they got down to the 2 and then got sacked twice but did they not have any time outs or did Coach Abseck lose track of the clock or something else happen, or what?

It reminded me of the Deer Park game. I'm not sure what they were doing. Still don't know why they passed the ball at the 2 in the 1st half when 26 was getting around 3-4 yards a carry. 

[Separation Scientist]

BH has no killer instinct. One of our posters lamented this when we lost to Deer Park in OT. If a game is going down to the wire, or into overtime BH will likely lose. A few years ago we lost to A&M Consolidated in the final seconds of a 2nd round game. Lost to Richland after blowing them out in the first half of 2nd round last year. etc. This is what playing a finesse style game gets you. Now think of the best wins BH had. Physically rammed the ball right down #4 FBM's throat and shocked the world! Blasted PAM last year with blood in our eye, Hammered Forney and McKinney North, etc. It can be done when BH plays wide open, full intensity, physical football.

If BH can rediscover that physical intensity, and let our big QB run ahead like a mad man instead of always looking for a hook slide well short of the stick, BH can reinvent themselves. I am NOT bashing the QB. He may be instructed to do all the hook slides, I don't know. I do know he is not a pure passer. He has a very stong arm but accuracy is a big issue. I also know he can plow ahead into a defense and make 2 yards almost every single time. Had that happened from the 2 at the end of the half, and again at the end of the game, I have no doubt BH wins. Don't overthink it, play to your strength! Come on BH, lets play Man-ball again!      

     

 

[Djones8301]

17 hours ago, pakronos said:

I also said they would struggle against everyone. Up until 4 min left that 4th place was looking like a real possibility. We ain’t beating Lufkin. So we get 3rd and a first rd exit… let’s not split hairs

I don't think they making a deep run, but no one in this district is losing in the 1st round. The 4th place team will most likely play Waltrip or Galena Park

[AggiesAreWe]

5 minutes ago, Djones8301 said:

I don't think they making a deep run, but no one in this district is losing in the 1st round. The 4th place team will most likely play Waltrip or Galena Park

I agree. This district will sweep the first round.

[Crawdad]

20 hours ago, Separation Scientist said:

BH has no killer instinct. One of our posters lamented this when we lost to Deer Park in OT. If a game is going down to the wire, or into overtime BH will likely lose. A few years ago we lost to A&M Consolidated in the final seconds of a 2nd round game. Lost to Richland after blowing them out in the first half of 2nd round last year. etc. This is what playing a finesse style game gets you. Now think of the best wins BH had. Physically rammed the ball right down #4 FBM's throat and shocked the world! Blasted PAM last year with blood in our eye, Hammered Forney and McKinney North, etc. It can be done when BH plays wide open, full intensity, physical football.

If BH can rediscover that physical intensity, and let our big QB run ahead like a mad man instead of always looking for a hook slide well short of the stick, BH can reinvent themselves. I am NOT bashing the QB. He may be instructed to do all the hook slides, I don't know. I do know he is not a pure passer. He has a very stong arm but accuracy is a big issue. I also know he can plow ahead into a defense and make 2 yards almost every single time. Had that happened from the 2 at the end of the half, and again at the end of the game, I have no doubt BH wins. Don't overthink it, play to your strength! Come on BH, lets play Man-ball again!      

     

 

I'm not sure who you are Separation Scientist, but you and I are on the same page entirely.  BH has not played tough, physical football for 4 full quarters in years (before the Gage hiring).  I feel it has 99% to do with how we work in the offseason.  I know we lift weights and spend a great deal of time lifting those weights and doing footwork drills, etc., ......but are we hurting and learning to fight through the pain and get to that next level and continue on?  I firmly believe in quality over quantity.  Do the coaches work the kids until exhaustion and then continue pushing them?  I know the answer.... they do not!  We practice in an indoor air conditioned taj mahal even when the weather is great.  It is much different than what the BH offseason program was in the nineties and early 2000s....and the programs of Katy and PNG of today.  We worked through multiple agility, plyo, mat drills, bleachers, hill training, weight training circuits until we were puking and after we finished non-stop motion for 50 minutes all groups would meet on the track to run a quarter for time.  If you didn't make the time you had to run it again.  We did this every day and would routinely test strength and speed (included a mile run for time...which hasn't happened at BH in years...yes, big boys can run a mile) ....and 90% of all athletes would improve in both strength and speed throughout the offseason.  This all took place in 4th period of the school day, and it got results.  We didn't have any big, sloppy dudes because they couldn't make it through the offseason (they lost weight and became hosses.... or quit) and our numbers were streamlined to only include those that really wanted to be there and put in the work.  One thing that didn't happen is we didn't have kids lay out injured on the field.  I do not remember many, if any, ever getting hurt or missing a game.  I contribute that to how we worked in the offseason.  Until we get the program back to this way of thinking and working, we will continue to be mediocre.  We have twice the athletes and numbers today than we did then so it would be fun to see the results.  It can be done.  Not sure it will be done.

[Goslin]

19 hours ago, Crawdad said:

It can be done.  Not sure it will be done.

It won’t be done until BH Coaching/Admin gets it done which they won’t because they’ve grown complacent and believe their own hype.  The fact that the 3 nearest programs to them, (REL/RSS/GCM), aren’t nearly on their level lends to this mentality of BH being the best and if they already believe they’re great why push harder and work out in that hot sun when they’re already great?  20-30 years ago, BH was a country-boy team.  Hard-nosed, scrappy, and surrounded by other decent programs so BH always had a chip on their shoulder and something to prove so they’d outwork those other big-city programs.  Today?  BH becomes more and more high-dollar suburb with each Riceland house sold and all the BH Coaches and players hear all day long is how great they are.  Well, if that’s all they ever hear, and they coast into playoffs each year due at least in some part to the schedule they play and quality of their opponents, then there’s no chip on their shoulder.  They need to get that chip back on their shoulder.  
 

BH keeps low-key signaling that they’re 6A ready, like scheduling all 6A opponents in out-of-district this year.  They’re never going to be if they don’t do just like other posters on here are saying and toughen up.  Can you imagine what would happen in 2026 when UIL redraws districts again if they dropped GCM down and bumped BH up in GCM’s place?  It won’t matter how nice “The Indoor” is or how much they pay their Coach.  BH enrollments are already close to the 6A cutoff and if they don’t get right they’ll get humbled in 6A

[pakronos]

On 10/12/2024 at 3:57 PM, Djones8301 said:

I don't think they making a deep run, but no one in this district is losing in the 1st round. The 4th place team will most likely play Waltrip or Galena Park

not trusting morgan...on paper, yes. i know last year is last year, but lost games we shouldn't have

[1970]

1 hour ago, Goslin said:

It won’t be done until BH Coaching/Admin gets it done which they won’t because they’ve grown complacent and believe their own hype.  The fact that the 3 nearest programs to them, (REL/RSS/GCM), aren’t nearly on their level lends to this mentality of BH being the best and if they already believe they’re great why push harder and work out in that hot sun when they’re already great?  20-30 years ago, BH was a country-boy team.  Hard-nosed, scrappy, and surrounded by other decent programs so BH always had a chip on their shoulder and something to prove so they’d outwork those other big-city programs.  Today?  BH becomes more and more high-dollar suburb with each Riceland house sold and all the BH Coaches and players hear all day long is how great they are.  Well, if that’s all they ever hear, and they coast into playoffs each year due at least in some part to the schedule they play and quality of their opponents, then there’s no chip on their shoulder.  They need to get that chip back on their shoulder.  
 

BH keeps low-key signaling that they’re 6A ready, like scheduling all 6A opponents in out-of-district this year.  They’re never going to be if they don’t do just like other posters on here are saying and toughen up.  Can you imagine what would happen in 2026 when UIL redraws districts again if they dropped GCM down and bumped BH up in GCM’s place?  It won’t matter how nice “The Indoor” is or how much they pay their Coach.  BH enrollments are already close to the 6A cutoff and if they don’t get right they’ll get humbled in 6A

I lived there from 2000 - 2015, and didn't really have a dog in the fight, so I didn't follow the football too closely, but I recall that BH moved up rather quickly from 3A I think, to 4A, to 5A. The head coach and other coaches and trainer, had been there a while, and always seemed just a game away from going to state. Then the HC got fired, more or less, others moved on, retired, or passed away (I knew one coach personally, who lost a hard fought battle with cancer).  The area has really grown very rapidly, and I'm not sure what old traditions are still there, just looking from a distance.   

[Clueless]

You guys are spot on about BH. My kids are grown, but hopefully for the younger generation, they change some things. I was told they have 5:30 am practices all year long. From what I’ve seen the last couple of years, I’m not sure how productive those early morning workouts are. It appears the boys aren’t retaining the information, soft workouts, or coaching quality isn’t there. Not sure which one, but scheduling soft 6A teams and beating them doesn’t make you 6A ready. Now saying that, all of our sports can compete at 6A level right now with exception of football unless we’re put in Pasadena district. 

[Goslin]

3 hours ago, TradenupBH said:

scheduling soft 6A teams and beating them doesn’t make you 6A ready. 

They lost one of those 3 out of district games too, to Deer Park in double overtime.

See, it’s not just about BH moving up to 6A, it’s about what 6A District they’re going to go into.  GCCISD is redrawing attendance zones this Summer to get GCM back down to 5A when UIL redraws Districts in 2026.  That means UIL will have to fill that empty spot and BH is only 15 minutes from GCM so they’d be the obvious choice.  Oh yeah, did I mention that the 6A District I’m talking about is District 23?  The toughest District in the state?  #3 North Shore, #5 Atascocita, #20 Summer Creek, #60 CE King, #150 Kingwood, #160 Humble all in that District.  #734 Channelview is the only easy win in that District after GCM drops down.  If GCM ends up dropping down and BH goes up it means no more playoffs for BH, they’d be permanent 5th-6th place if that happens UNLESS they find a way to REALLY toughen up.  Better to do it now before they make the jump.

[navydawg31]

19 minutes ago, Goslin said:

They lost one of those 3 out of district games too, to Deer Park in double overtime.

See, it’s not just about BH moving up to 6A, it’s about what 6A District they’re going to go into.  GCCISD is redrawing attendance zones this Summer to get GCM back down to 5A when UIL redraws Districts in 2026.  That means UIL will have to fill that empty spot and BH is only 15 minutes from GCM so they’d be the obvious choice.  Oh yeah, did I mention that the 6A District I’m talking about is District 23?  The toughest District in the state?  #3 North Shore, #5 Atascocita, #20 Summer Creek, #60 CE King, #150 Kingwood, #160 Humble all in that District.  #734 Channelview is the only easy win in that District after GCM drops down.  If GCM ends up dropping down and BH goes up it means no more playoffs for BH, they’d be permanent 5th-6th place if that happens UNLESS they find a way to REALLY toughen up.  Better to do it now before they make the jump.

BH has those UIL connections… they won’t be in that district. They avoided coming to the golden triangle for years, until forced. Schools had to drive and pass up BH on the highway to go play a couple district game down the road…. 

[Goslin]

50 minutes ago, navydawg31 said:

BH has those UIL connections… they won’t be in that district. They avoided coming to the golden triangle for years, until forced. Schools had to drive and pass up BH on the highway to go play a couple district game down the road…. 

I don’t think they’ll be able to duck going into District 23 if GCM drops down.  What excuse will they have?  What other 6A District is there for them?  BH against the Pasadena teams?  Besides, Barber’s Hill=New Baytown so with GCM out of District 23 it’s only fitting that BH take their place!

[Austin1985]

11 hours ago, Goslin said:

I don’t think they’ll be able to duck going into District 23 if GCM drops down.  What excuse will they have?  What other 6A District is there for them?  BH against the Pasadena teams?  Besides, Barber’s Hill=New Baytown so with GCM out of District 23 it’s only fitting that BH take their place!

They could put them with the Pasadena/DP/South Houston district.  That's how Cove's luck usually runs.  If not, your greatest fears will be realized because y'all will be looking up at the Beltway 8 corridor every year

[Separation Scientist]

14 hours ago, navydawg31 said:

BH has those UIL connections… they won’t be in that district. They avoided coming to the golden triangle for years, until forced. Schools had to drive and pass up BH on the highway to go play a couple district game down the road…. 

Seriously? What "UIL connections"? Please provide your source! 

I know everyone loves to critique BH, but do you really think BH manipulates the UIL?

Come on man...LOL.  

 

[Separation Scientist]

1 hour ago, Austin1985 said:

They could put them with the Pasadena/DP/South Houston district.  That's how Cove's luck usually runs.  If not, your greatest fears will be realized because y'all will be looking up at the Beltway 8 corridor every year

Greatest fears? I never, ever hear of anyone having a fear of anything here. I do know the BH fans want very much for BH to reach their full potential, but as for as having some "greatest fear", thats just something you as an outsider is making up. Its your hope much more than any BH fear. You fantasize about BH being in 6A-23 often.          

[Separation Scientist]

13 hours ago, Goslin said:

They lost one of those 3 out of district games too, to Deer Park in double overtime.

See, it’s not just about BH moving up to 6A, it’s about what 6A District they’re going to go into.  GCCISD is redrawing attendance zones this Summer to get GCM back down to 5A when UIL redraws Districts in 2026.  That means UIL will have to fill that empty spot and BH is only 15 minutes from GCM so they’d be the obvious choice.  Oh yeah, did I mention that the 6A District I’m talking about is District 23?  The toughest District in the state?  #3 North Shore, #5 Atascocita, #20 Summer Creek, #60 CE King, #150 Kingwood, #160 Humble all in that District.  #734 Channelview is the only easy win in that District after GCM drops down.  If GCM ends up dropping down and BH goes up it means no more playoffs for BH, they’d be permanent 5th-6th place if that happens UNLESS they find a way to REALLY toughen up.  Better to do it now before they make the jump.

Crazy how BH potentially being placed in 6A-23 in the future THRILLS so many! 

[OlDawg]

10 hours ago, Separation Scientist said:

Crazy how BH potentially being placed in 6A-23 in the future THRILLS so many! 

La Porte played with those teams for many years, and was a perennial PO team as the smallest school by far. It can be done. Just takes the mindset and physicality. (And a good staff. Not that BH staff isn’t good now. I’m like many of the BH faithful though. BH doesn’t exude toughness right now.)

[Separation Scientist]

I agree. I am not worried about 6A. Its WAY more important to some outsiders. BH, like anyone else will deal with whatever district it lands in when that time comes. By that time, the landscape will change some anyway. Will a 7A come and mix everything up? I don't know but thats possible. Half of the district is still left and then possibly playoffs. Then a whole another year is ahead. The focus is now.