Palestine Westwood/SEC rules no forfeitures, AD/HC suspended

[Vini vidi]

Looks like Palestine Westwood just got popped by their DEC for filming opponents signals while scouting games. Pretty crazy considering they have some talented dudes.

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[BBfan061]

WOW…. That’s insane… if this holds up that removes a serious contender from the region come playoff time.

[Eazy]

Including games that have yet to be played.  So, season over?

[AggiesAreWe]

Westwood will be appealing 

[Eazy]

Probably more to the story. 

[Setx fan]

Pays to follow the rules 

[bullets13]

crazy.  maybe that explains their quick rise after being bad for so long

[bullets13]

23 minutes ago, Eazy said:

Probably more to the story. 

If anything the UIL is often too lax in enforcing stuff, so if they took this severe of an action they must feel pretty good about their case.

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

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Sorry if it's posted, im watching tornadoes. 

[bd04]

SMH!! Was looking forward to seeing how they performed in the playoffs. 

[pine curtain]

49 minutes ago, bullets13 said:

crazy.  maybe that explains their quick rise after being bad for so long

He hasn't done anything other teams haven't done.

Heck PN-g was using iPads before it was legal.

They are punishing the kids for his actions....

[89Falcon]

1 hour ago, bullets13 said:

crazy.  maybe that explains their quick rise after being bad for so long

There “quick rise” is due to Kavian Bryant 

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

10 minutes ago, 89Falcon said:

There “quick rise” is due to Kavian Bryant 

Yes. Amongst other things. 

[Separation Scientist]

Film somebody or use an I-pad and people have a stroke.

Collect an all-star team from a metro area and its all good. No one blinks.  

Just depends who (and how big) you are. 

[AggiesAreWe]

From the Fairfield newspaper:

District 9-3A school superintendents met in an Executive Committee meeting Monday, Oct. 21 to discuss the alleged violation of Westwood ISD coaches and district personal videotaping/filming/recording district opponents of an athletics contest (varsity football) without the prior consent of the schools competing in the contest. 

When all was said and done, Diboll Superintendent Brian Bowman, Huntington Superintendent David Flowers, and Crockett Superintendent Dr. Douglas Moore recommended the suspension of Westwood ISD Technology Assistant Don McCoy from all District 9-3A athletic events and the suspension of Westwood High School Director of Athletics/Head Football Coach Richard Bishop for the remainder of the football season as well as postseason. Both of these suspensions will have to go to the UIL State Executive Committee for approval. 

The committee also voted Westwood would have to forfeit all District 9-3A football games for this season. Westwood ISD Superintendent Wade Stanford noted the school would be filing an appeal on the forfeits. 

Teague ISD Superintendent Chris Skinner and Fairfield ISD Superintendent Joe Craig were also in attendance for the meeting and spoke throughout. They could not vote on the recommendation because their teams were involved.

 

When making the decisions, Skinner said, “We have to keep the best interest of the students in all districts in mind, not just those at Westwood.” 

Bowman led the meeting. Stanford, Bishop, McCoy and Glen Tunstall told what occurred during the Fairfield and Teague football game on Friday night, Oct. 11. 

Westwood had moved their game that week to Thursday night, but none of the other schools had been notified. 

Bishop and McCoy attended the game and sat on the home side at the 50-yard-line. McCoy, who is not a coach, but works for the district, took videos on his camera as well as Snapchat. 

Skinner called Stanford at 8:04 p.m. on Oct. 11 to notify him of coaches filming signals on the sidelines and plays. Stanford immediately called Bishop. During halftime, which is when Stanford called Bishop, Bishop told McCoy to delete any videos he had on his phone. 

McCoy admitted he was filming the sidelines and the plays. He stated he was taking the videos to send to a girl in Virgina. Bishop, who was sitting next to McCoy, said he didn’t know McCoy was taking videos. 

Fairfield Coaches Tyler Terry, Aaron Allen and Shawn Welch, who were in the pressbox, told what they witnessed during the game. They also videoed McCoy filming the sidelines and the plays with Bishop sitting next to him. 

McCoy said he videoed most of the first and second quarters of the game until he was told not to at halftime. He admitted to taking videos on both his camera as well as Snapchat. 

“I was capturing almost every play until I got something good,” McCoy said. “I was trying to get some good footage to send her to show her what Texas football is all about.” 

Craig then showed the videos the Fairfield coaches took from the pressbox of McCoy filming. His phone is turned sideways and can be seen zooming into the sideline and then zooming out to get the play. 

When asked what he thought after seeing the videos, Bishop said, “It's less than ideal. It isn’t a good look. I would never tell someone to film, especially since we were sitting in the center on the 50-yard-line.”

Fairfield Head Football Coach John Bachtel noted Fairfield and Teague are now having to change all of their signals. 

“We all know we can’t be videoing other teams. Videoing our staff is just wrong,” Bachtel said. “That is what hurts me the most. Don’t be sitting right there next to him while he is videoing. It’s the ethics of it.” 

Bowman, Flowers, and Moore went into executive session at 11:53 a.m. before returning at 12:19 p.m. to discuss what actions should be taken. 

Bishop has been coaching for 17 years. Westwood is currently undefeated and has a 7-0 overall record with just three district games remaining against Teague, Fairfield and Huntington.

[Setx fan]

26 minutes ago, AggiesAreWe said:

From the Fairfield newspaper:

District 9-3A school superintendents met in an Executive Committee meeting Monday, Oct. 21 to discuss the alleged violation of Westwood ISD coaches and district personal videotaping/filming/recording district opponents of an athletics contest (varsity football) without the prior consent of the schools competing in the contest. 

When all was said and done, Diboll Superintendent Brian Bowman, Huntington Superintendent David Flowers, and Crockett Superintendent Dr. Douglas Moore recommended the suspension of Westwood ISD Technology Assistant Don McCoy from all District 9-3A athletic events and the suspension of Westwood High School Director of Athletics/Head Football Coach Richard Bishop for the remainder of the football season as well as postseason. Both of these suspensions will have to go to the UIL State Executive Committee for approval. 

The committee also voted Westwood would have to forfeit all District 9-3A football games for this season. Westwood ISD Superintendent Wade Stanford noted the school would be filing an appeal on the forfeits. 

Teague ISD Superintendent Chris Skinner and Fairfield ISD Superintendent Joe Craig were also in attendance for the meeting and spoke throughout. They could not vote on the recommendation because their teams were involved.

 

When making the decisions, Skinner said, “We have to keep the best interest of the students in all districts in mind, not just those at Westwood.” 

Bowman led the meeting. Stanford, Bishop, McCoy and Glen Tunstall told what occurred during the Fairfield and Teague football game on Friday night, Oct. 11. 

Westwood had moved their game that week to Thursday night, but none of the other schools had been notified. 

Bishop and McCoy attended the game and sat on the home side at the 50-yard-line. McCoy, who is not a coach, but works for the district, took videos on his camera as well as Snapchat. 

Skinner called Stanford at 8:04 p.m. on Oct. 11 to notify him of coaches filming signals on the sidelines and plays. Stanford immediately called Bishop. During halftime, which is when Stanford called Bishop, Bishop told McCoy to delete any videos he had on his phone. 

McCoy admitted he was filming the sidelines and the plays. He stated he was taking the videos to send to a girl in Virgina. Bishop, who was sitting next to McCoy, said he didn’t know McCoy was taking videos. 

Fairfield Coaches Tyler Terry, Aaron Allen and Shawn Welch, who were in the pressbox, told what they witnessed during the game. They also videoed McCoy filming the sidelines and the plays with Bishop sitting next to him. 

McCoy said he videoed most of the first and second quarters of the game until he was told not to at halftime. He admitted to taking videos on both his camera as well as Snapchat. 

“I was capturing almost every play until I got something good,” McCoy said. “I was trying to get some good footage to send her to show her what Texas football is all about.” 

Craig then showed the videos the Fairfield coaches took from the pressbox of McCoy filming. His phone is turned sideways and can be seen zooming into the sideline and then zooming out to get the play. 

When asked what he thought after seeing the videos, Bishop said, “It's less than ideal. It isn’t a good look. I would never tell someone to film, especially since we were sitting in the center on the 50-yard-line.”

Fairfield Head Football Coach John Bachtel noted Fairfield and Teague are now having to change all of their signals. 

“We all know we can’t be videoing other teams. Videoing our staff is just wrong,” Bachtel said. “That is what hurts me the most. Don’t be sitting right there next to him while he is videoing. It’s the ethics of it.” 

Bowman, Flowers, and Moore went into executive session at 11:53 a.m. before returning at 12:19 p.m. to discuss what actions should be taken. 

Bishop has been coaching for 17 years. Westwood is currently undefeated and has a 7-0 overall record with just three district games remaining against Teague, Fairfield and Huntington.

"Sending it to his gf in Virginia" 😆  She ain't studding no football. I guess she's the one who asked him to zoom his camera in sideways to capture the play calls. 

[AggiesAreWe]

From Matt Stepp via X:

UPDATE: Palestine Westwood's appeal of the 9-3A D1 DEC recommendation to suspend AD/HFC Richard Bishop and the DEC ruling for Westwood to forfeit all district games will be heard Thursday morning at 11:15 a.m.

[Tiger33]

Everyone steals signs college, pro, high school, youth. At the end of the day every kid/adult has to make the play to make it work. Jmo

[Looper]

45 minutes ago, Tiger33 said:

Everyone steals signs college, pro, high school, youth. At the end of the day every kid/adult has to make the play to make it work. Jmo

Picking up on signs isn't the issue. Stealing signs during a game is fine or even from traded game film, that's why teams cover their play callers on the sidelines. The issue appears to be that they

1. Moved their game without notifying the DEC. Moving games usually comes with a stipulation that you can't go scout other teams in your district that week. My understanding is this might be a per district policy.

2. Attending and recording the game/signals. Which is against UIL rules.

 

[AggiesAreWe]

Just now, Looper said:

Picking up on signs isn't the issue. Stealing signs during a game is fine or even from traded game film, that's why teams cover their play callers on the sidelines. The issue appears to be that they

1. Moved their game without notifying the DEC. Moving games usually comes with a stipulation that you can't go scout other teams in your district that week. My understanding is this might be a per district policy.

2. Attending and recording the game/signals. Which is against UIL rules.

 

This!!!

[Tiger33]

1 hour ago, Looper said:

Picking up on signs isn't the issue. Stealing signs during a game is fine or even from traded game film, that's why teams cover their play callers on the sidelines. The issue appears to be that they

1. Moved their game without notifying the DEC. Moving games usually comes with a stipulation that you can't go scout other teams in your district that week. My understanding is this might be a per district policy.

2. Attending and recording the game/signals. Which is against UIL rules.

 

I get it. I understand its against the rules. I just believe that most people have a win now mentality. Im sure most coaches obey the rules and for others lets role the dice. 

[pine curtain]

12 hours ago, Looper said:

Picking up on signs isn't the issue. Stealing signs during a game is fine or even from traded game film, that's why teams cover their play callers on the sidelines. The issue appears to be that they

1. Moved their game without notifying the DEC. Moving games usually comes with a stipulation that you can't go scout other teams in your district that week. My understanding is this might be a per district policy.

2. Attending and recording the game/signals. Which is against UIL rules.

 

I believe the game was moved due to lack of officials.

[AggiesAreWe]

I am going to predict that the SEC will rule that Westwood will have to forfeit games already played but not future games. Also, Coach Bishop will be suspended the remainder of the season.

Normally (about 95% of the time) the SEC will back the DEC ruling. It's very rare they go against the DEC.

So Westwood folks need to prepare for their season to be over. 

[Setx fan]

1 hour ago, AggiesAreWe said:

I am going to predict that the SEC will rule that Westwood will have to forfeit games already played but not future games. Also, Coach Bishop will be suspended the remainder of the season.

Normally (about 95% of the time) the SEC will back the DEC ruling. It's very rare they go against the DEC.

So Westwood folks need to prepare for their season to be over. 

Maybe. Although it seems pretty clear the filming was planned by Bishop to most of us he can make a good technical argument that he or his coaching staff didn't record anything. He will probably claim he wasn't aware the guy was recording also although he was sitting right next to him. Never know. Seems easy for some folks to find loop holes around UIL rules so I wouldn't be surprised