This is the sort of stuff that can't happen if the Republicans are going to keep this mandate

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Above I posted an article that contains exactly the sort of thing the right has to avoid while they have a mandate. Republicans have a chance to make massive changes in areas like foreign trade, the border, crime reform, the economy, and even to some degree social issues like men in women's sports/locker rooms.  but if the right makes the mistake of overstepping and forcing ultra-conservative requirements on everyone they'll lose the house AND the senate at the midterm.  One only has to look at the 94 Republican mandate with Gingrich's "Contract With America."  Republicans took over the house and senate, and already had the oval office.  Republicans mistook this for unfettered support when in fact the country was just "firing the democrats."  Republicans went crazy with ultra-conservative policy, and two years later Bill Clinton was elected and republicans had substantial losses in the house and senate.  Implement strong conservative policies in the areas that the country has told you are important to them, and where you'll get support.  Don't make the mistake of trying to force conservatism in all areas onto the country.  Our country as a whole is way less conservative than it was in 1996 when the country terminated the republican mandate.  

[LumRaiderFan]

20 minutes ago, bullets13 said:

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Above I posted an article that contains exactly the sort of thing the right has to avoid while they have a mandate. Republicans have a chance to make massive changes in areas like foreign trade, the border, crime reform, the economy, and even to some degree social issues like men in women's sports/locker rooms.  but if the right makes the mistake of overstepping and forcing ultra-conservative requirements on everyone they'll lose the house AND the senate at the midterm.  One only has to look at the 94 Republican mandate with Gingrich's "Contract With America."  Republicans took over the house and senate, and already had the oval office.  Republicans mistook this for unfettered support when in fact the country was just "firing the democrats."  Republicans went crazy with ultra-conservative policy, and two years later Bill Clinton was elected and republicans had substantial losses in the house and senate.  Implement strong conservative policies in the areas that the country has told you are important to them, and where you'll get support.  Don't make the mistake of trying to force conservatism in all areas onto the country.  Our country as a whole is way less conservative than it was in 1996 when the country terminated the republican mandate.  

Can you list these "ultra conservative policies" you speak of?

You sure Clinton didn't get elected because Ross Perot pulled 19% of the vote and Bush promised no new taxes.

It's where the phrase "It's the economy, stupid" was coined.

That Bush lost because of ultra conservative policies is nonsense.

Geez, I hope Republicans stop taking advice from moderates...create a strong economy, make sound fiscal decisions and STILL lead with high morals and integrity, that's what most Americans are looking for.

 

[bullets13]

1 hour ago, LumRaiderFan said:

Can you list these "ultra conservative policies" you speak of?

You sure Clinton didn't get elected because Ross Perot pulled 19% of the vote and Bush promised no new taxes.

It's where the phrase "It's the economy, stupid" was coined.

That Bush lost because of ultra conservative policies is nonsense.

Geez, I hope Republicans stop taking advice from moderates...create a strong economy, make sound fiscal decisions and STILL lead with high morals and integrity, that's what most Americans are looking for.

 

Yes on the economy and fiscal decisions, but you think Trump won and the right gained seats in the house and senate because "most Americans" are looking for high morals and integrity?  Surely even you can see the irony in that statement.  Trump won despite his lack of morals and integrity. The country is looking for help with the border, inflation, and crime.  They're tired of being talked down to by the left.  They're NOT looking for a religious revival. The voters that swung this thing are not interested in conservative morality at all, they just want to be able to afford groceries and not get mugged on their way to buy them.  The quickest thing the right can do to lose this mandate is force morality on the majority of the country that doesn't agree with it or doesn't agree the govt should be regulating it. It would be typical of the right (or left, if the roles were reversed) to think that a less than 1.5% popular vote win against an entirely unelectable presidential candidate is a green light to start pushing radical legislation, though.

[LumRaiderFan]

13 minutes ago, bullets13 said:

you think Trump won because "most Americans" are looking for high morals and integrity?  Surely even you can see the irony in that statement.  Trump won despite his lack of morals and integrity. The country is looking for help with the border, inflation, and crime.  They're tired of being talked down to by the left.  They're NOT looking for a religious revival. The voters that swung this thing are not interested in conservative morality at all, they just want to be able to afford groceries and not get mugged on their way to buy them.  The quickest thing the right can do to lose this mandate is force morality on the majority of the country that doesn't agree with it or doesn't agree the govt should be regulating it. It would be typical of the right (or left, if the roles were reversed) to think that a less than 1.5% popular vote win against an entirely unelectable presidential candidate is a green light to start pushing religious and moral legislation, though.

Yes, I do think Trump won because of morals and integrity.  You seem to think it simply boils down to one man, it does not.  Folks are looking for someone that is proud of the country and doesn't put other nations first.  They want a candidate that will not support abortion even up until delivery.  They are looking for someone that puts citizens ahead of illegal immigrant, someone that doesn't want to abolish the police, someone that wants to bring manufacturing back to the US and is willing to use tariffs to make it happen.  Obviously they were able to look past some rude and crude to bring that guy in.

Trump is no saint, that's for sure, but he's behind policies that speak of integrity and pride in Americans. 

Funny that not long ago there were so many giving out advice how the Republican had picked a loser that any other candidate could win handily.  I remember hearing terms like cakewalk and getting his cheeks clapped. 

Turns out none of that was true and he won a landslide victory.

Now those same folks want to lecture us on how to act or we'll lose big time next election.

No thanks.

[Separation Scientist]

The Dims wanted to mandate tampons in the boys room, and have Drag Queens read gay stories to elementary students. 

Now the Bible is a problem? 

 

[thetragichippy]

2 hours ago, bullets13 said:

Don't make the mistake of trying to force conservatism in all areas onto the country.  Our country as a whole is way less conservative than it was in 1996 when the country terminated the republican mandate.  

As a conservative I have to agree. Trump is going to have to be smart in what he changes. The border, energy and economy should be the top 3. He needs some wins before he starts going to far right.  

[thetragichippy]

1 minute ago, Separation Scientist said:

The Dims wanted to mandate tampons in the boys room, and have Drag Queens read gay stories to elementary students. 

Now the Bible is a problem? 

 

IMO -it gives the left talking points. 

[bullets13]

3 minutes ago, LumRaiderFan said:

Yes, I do think Trump won because of morals and integrity.  You seem to think it simply boils down to one man, it does not.  Folks are looking for someone that is proud of the country and doesn't put other nations first.  They want a candidate that will not support abortion even up until delivery.  They are looking for someone that puts citizens ahead of illegal immigrant, someone that doesn't want to abolish the police, someone that wants to bring manufacturing back to the US and is willing to use tariffs to make it happen.  Obviously they were able to look past some rude and crude to bring that guy in.

Trump is no saint, that's for sure, but he's behind policies that speak of integrity and pride in Americans. 

Funny that not long ago there were so many giving out advice how the Republican had picked a loser that any other candidate could win handily.  I remember hearing terms like cakewalk and getting his cheeks clapped. 

Turns out none of that was true and he won a landslide victory.

Now those same folks want to lecture us on how to act or we'll lose big time next election.

No thanks.

gonna be a boring site if folks who didn't (and still don't) think Donald Trump was a good candidate are no longer allowed to voice an opinion on here, but you can have it your way.  you guys can just read Reagan's fun propaganda pieces and backslap each other.  For the record, I don't recall using the term cakewalk other than suggesting that it would be one if we had a stronger candidate, and i know I never talked about cheeks being clapped. Thankfully the left sent an even more unelectable choice than the last two elections, and things are bad enough that people wanted change.  But folks thinking these elections were a referendum for the right rather than against the left are delusional.  You boys have fun!  

[bullets13]

20 minutes ago, Separation Scientist said:

The Dims wanted to mandate tampons in the boys room, and have Drag Queens read gay stories to elementary students. 

Now the Bible is a problem? 

 

I feel like you're being intentionally obtuse, as Andy Dusfresne would say. The Bible is not a problem.  Forcing the Bible onto public school children would be the problem, not unlike mandating tampons in the boys room or having Drag Queens reading stories to elementary students.  And before you freak out, I'm not saying that the Bible is bad like your other two examples.  The comparison lies in the government forcing something into public schools that a good chunk of the population is not okay with. But anyway, I've been informed that I shouldn't be lecturing (aka voicing opinions) in here because I didn't think Trump was a good candidate, so I gotta run!

[LumRaiderFan]

15 minutes ago, bullets13 said:

gonna be a boring site if folks who didn't (and still don't) think Donald Trump was a good candidate are no longer allowed to voice an opinion on here, but you can have it your way.  you guys can just read Reagan's fun propaganda pieces and backslap each other.  For the record, I don't recall using the term cakewalk other than suggesting that it would be one if we had a stronger candidate, and i know I never talked about cheeks being clapped. Thankfully the left sent an even more unelectable choice than the last two elections, and things are bad enough that people wanted change.  But folks thinking these elections were a referendum for the right rather than against the left are delusional.  You boys have fun!  

Somehow i think you'll continue to voice your opinion, I certainly enjoy the spirited banter, kinda nice to debate without being called a red hatted fool.

As far as the cakewalk and cheeks clapped, I'll give you one guess on that one.

I still think that Trump, as flawed as a person as he is, as were many Presidents, is giving folks hope that things will return to what the were before Biden / Harris, and you know I am in no way a Trump fan, as far as the man goes.

This was no doubt a referendum on the left, without a doubt, but folks were also voting for the guy to return to the era of energy independence, much more secure border, lower crime and cheaper day to day expenses.

 

[bullets13]

12 minutes ago, LumRaiderFan said:

Somehow i think you'll continue to voice your opinion, I certainly enjoy the spirited banter, kinda nice to debate without being called a red hatted fool.

As far as the cakewalk and cheeks clapped, I'll give you one guess on that one.

I still think that Trump, as flawed as a person as he is, as were many Presidents, is giving folks hope that things will return to what the were before Biden / Harris, and you know I am in no way a Trump fan, as far as the man goes.

This was no doubt a referendum on the left, without a doubt, but folks were also voting for the guy to return to the era of energy independence, much more secure border, lower crime and cheaper day to day expenses.

 

alright, you got me back ;).  and I think my longwinded original post can be summed up by this: the right needs to focus on sweeping changes in the areas that we all know are the reasons they got the mandate to begin with.  This is a golden opportunity to fix immigration almost entirely, improve the courts and eliminate some of the woke prosecution lack of punishment nonsense, and also improve spending habits and the economy.  Do that and make small, sensible changes in other areas (legislation banning males in girls' changing rooms/sports would be an easy win to start), and the right can hold power for a long time.  If the right gets hung up on trying to affect major conservative morality legislation (like trying to force a bible in every classroom, for example), it could greatly backfire. 

[baddog]

Funny how a SC mandate taking prayer out of schools didn’t make people hate Kennedy. Had he not been assassinated, I believe he would have been re-elected. To date, I feel that was the beginning of decay to the moral fabric of this great country. Personally, I don’t think the Bible should be “forced” on anyone. It’s not how Christians operate. We dang sure don’t want morality to enter into people’s lives (sarcasm).I think Bible classes as an elective would do well. We had Bible class when I was in HS and prayer had been mandated out of school 6 years prior.
Is American history taught in schools anymore? The Bible is surely a part of history and certainly a part of American history. 
These are my opinions and I am sure they will be challenged, not concurred

[LumRaiderFan]

16 minutes ago, bullets13 said:

alright, you got me back ;).  and I think my longwinded original post can be summed up by this: the right needs to focus on sweeping changes in the areas that we all know are the reasons they got the mandate to begin with.  This is a golden opportunity to fix immigration almost entirely, improve the courts and eliminate some of the woke prosecution lack of punishment nonsense, and also improve spending habits and the economy.  Do that and make small, sensible changes in other areas (legislation banning males in girls' changing rooms/sports would be an easy win to start), and the right can hold power for a long time.  If the right gets hung up on trying to affect major conservative morality legislation (like trying to force a bible in every classroom, for example), it could greatly backfire. 

Agree, and I'll be more clear about who specifically my posts are aimed at, I'll admit I sometimes sort of broadcast rant.

I'll also agree that you can't legislate morality, never works.

Government shouldn't pick winners and losers, even in Religion, and this comes from a guy that thinks a Bible anywhere would be a good thing.

 

[Big girl]

1 hour ago, LumRaiderFan said:

Yes, I do think Trump won because of morals and integrity.  You seem to think it simply boils down to one man, it does not.  Folks are looking for someone that is proud of the country and doesn't put other nations first.  They want a candidate that will not support abortion even up until delivery.  They are looking for someone that puts citizens ahead of illegal immigrant, someone that doesn't want to abolish the police, someone that wants to bring manufacturing back to the US and is willing to use tariffs to make it happen.  Obviously they were able to look past some rude and crude to bring that guy in.

Trump is no saint, that's for sure, but he's behind policies that speak of integrity and pride in Americans. 

Funny that not long ago there were so many giving out advice how the Republican had picked a loser that any other candidate could win handily.  I remember hearing terms like cakewalk and getting his cheeks clapped. 

Turns out none of that was true and he won a landslide victory.

Now those same folks want to lecture us on how to act or we'll lose big time next election.

No thanks.

Really?

[Big girl]

36 minutes ago, baddog said:

Funny how a SC mandate taking prayer out of schools didn’t make people hate Kennedy. Had he not been assassinated, I believe he would have been re-elected. To date, I feel that was the beginning of decay to the moral fabric of this great country. Personally, I don’t think the Bible should be “forced” on anyone. It’s not how Christians operate. We dang sure don’t want morality to enter into people’s lives (sarcasm).I think Bible classes as an elective would do well. We had Bible class when I was in HS and prayer had been mandated out of school 6 years prior.
Is American history taught in schools anymore? The Bible is surely a part of history and certainly a part of American history. 
These are my opinions and I am sure they will be challenged, not concurred

You can have a Christian class only as an elective. Otherwise it is unconstitutional, and a judge will strike it down

 

[LumRaiderFan]

1 minute ago, Big girl said:

You can have a Christian class only as an elective. Otherwise it is unconstitutional, and a judge will strike it down

 

How about the Obamacare mandate, did you consider that unconstitutional?

[HuntersLaptop2028]

Will be interesting to see how much of the campaign was “all talk” vs. actually following through with putting policies in place.

If they go through with half the crazy stuff they’re talking about, most of the country will be in worse off shape than before.

For example - assume border is 100% closed tomorrow, how exactly do we benefit from deporting illegals already here? Costs billions to do so, corporate profits will take massive hits, food prices will soar, inflation picks back up as wages increase to backfill jobs, big hit to economy and GDP (illegals buy stuff, too).

Crabs in a bucket 

[bullets13]

1 hour ago, baddog said:

Funny how a SC mandate taking prayer out of schools didn’t make people hate Kennedy. Had he not been assassinated, I believe he would have been re-elected. To date, I feel that was the beginning of decay to the moral fabric of this great country. Personally, I don’t think the Bible should be “forced” on anyone. It’s not how Christians operate. We dang sure don’t want morality to enter into people’s lives (sarcasm).I think Bible classes as an elective would do well. We had Bible class when I was in HS and prayer had been mandated out of school 6 years prior.
Is American history taught in schools anymore? The Bible is surely a part of history and certainly a part of American history. 
These are my opinions and I am sure they will be challenged, not concurred

I actually agree with a lot of this. I have no issue with Bible classes being an elective, and I think the argument that kids who choose not to take it will be ostracized is over the top.  An elective allows those who want it to take it, and for those who are interested have an opportunity to learn about it.  For me the issue occurs when those who are not interested are subjected to forced prayer and mandatory Bible classes.  As you said, that’s not how Christianity works.  Nobody should be told they can’t pray, and nobody should be told they have to.  

[tvc184]

Conservatives always talk about schools and the Christian religion.

 The odds of any changes is close to 0%. 

[Separation Scientist]

2 hours ago, bullets13 said:

I feel like you're being intentionally obtuse, as Andy Dusfresne would say. The Bible is not a problem.  Forcing the Bible onto public school children would be the problem, not unlike mandating tampons in the boys room or having Drag Queens reading stories to elementary students.  And before you freak out, I'm not saying that the Bible is bad like your other two examples.  The comparison lies in the government forcing something into public schools that a good chunk of the population is not okay with. But anyway, I've been informed that I shouldn't be lecturing (aka voicing opinions) in here because I didn't think Trump was a good candidate, so I gotta run!

I think there is a distinct difference in having a Bible IN a classroom vs. "forcing it on to the children". Nowhere have I ever read the Bible would be "forced read" to anyone.    

Thats accuracy, not being obtuse. 

 

[Big girl]

2 hours ago, Separation Scientist said:

The Dims wanted to mandate tampons in the boys room, and have Drag Queens read gay stories to elementary students. 

Now the Bible is a problem? 

 

Freedom of religion

[Big girl]

5 minutes ago, bullets13 said:

I actually agree with a lot of this. I have no issue with Bible classes being an elective, and I think the argument that kids who choose not to take it will be ostracized is over the top.  An elective allows those who want it to take it, and for those who are interested have an opportunity to learn about it.  For me the issue occurs when those who are not interested are subjected to forced prayer and mandatory Bible classes.  As you said, that’s not how Christianity works.  Nobody should be told they can’t pray, and nobody should be told they have to.  

I agree

[Big girl]

57 minutes ago, LumRaiderFan said:

How about the Obamacare mandate, did you consider that unconstitutional?

What did the court say?

[bullets13]

5 minutes ago, Separation Scientist said:

I think there is a distinct difference in having a Bible IN a classroom vs. "forcing it on to the children". Nowhere have I ever read the Bible would be "forced read" to anyone.    

Thats accuracy, not being obtuse. 

 

Apart from forced exposure I have trouble coming up with a valid reason for having a Bible in a classroom. And any unlikely “valid reasons” will still lead to forced exposure.  Saying that kids can “ignore” whatever the Bible is used for in the class is no different than suggesting they ignore the drag queen show in the library.  And again, I’m not equating the value of the two, just the action of placing both in an area where they have no reason to be.  

[Separation Scientist]

Just now, Big girl said:

Freedom of religion

No one is forcing the Bible on anyone. The Drag queens are being forced on the children. Drag queens reading gays stories to elementary kids is indoctrination, which forces a belief system on them.