This is the sort of stuff that can't happen if the Republicans are going to keep this mandate

[Big girl]

6 hours ago, baddog said:

Bullets, I’ve had some time to think this over and you are probably right about the backlash in this day and age. I still don’t believe having access to a Bible is forcing anything. Our kids are indoctrinated without their knowledge and some schools have tried to force the CRT agenda and sexually explicit books, so I can’t see the harm in letting them be exposed to the teachings of Christ, which to sum up is about love for one another and accepting Jesus as your Lord and  Savior. Christianity is the backbone on which this country was created and what has contributed to making it the best country the world has ever seen. I know I will get some backlash on here but what else can I expect?

Trump has other issues to deal with first, but America has gotten away from God. The left seems to hate Christians so it is no surprise there will be consequences for Trump’s idea……legally and spiritually. I make no claims to be better than anyone. I am certainly a sinner, but if there is no spiritual guidance in a person’s life, they will have no respect for others and certainly no conscience to help them along. Hopefully we haven’t reached an impasse.

You can't force spiritual guidance. Jesus never forced anyone to follow him.

[baddog]

20 minutes ago, Big girl said:

You can't force spiritual guidance. Jesus never forced anyone to follow him.

Can you read? Do you have comprehension problems? Who in the heck said to force spiritual guidance? Answer…..No one! Your diploma precedes you.

[mat]

1 hour ago, Big girl said:

The Bible didn't influence it either. Some of the founding fathers were deists

The Founding Fathers were a diverse group, with some being Christians and others being deists. However, they were generally influenced by deist thought and did not intend to create a Christian nation. 

There lies the problem. I disagree. The history of our founders varies according to who’s interpreting the narrative.

The one thing that no one talks much about, the Bible trumps our constitution. As a nation, we cannot expect Gods favor while pushing him out. However, I understand that’s not a considerable concern for those that don’t honor Gods supremacy or his word. 
 

 

 

[HuntersLaptop2028]

4 hours ago, mat said:

 

The one thing that no one talks much about, the Bible trumps our constitution. 
 

Well that certainly settles this debate topic lol 

[tvc184]

This is about keeping the base happy and maybe fulfilling promises.

”We will try to get the Holy Bible back in classrooms!!

It won’t happen but…..

They can claim the effort was there and the evil opposition killed it.

[CardinalBacker]

My prediction is that the radicals in the house will create another series of battles in the House over picking a speaker anything will get done anyways. 
 

Personally? If the Rs let the nut jobs call the shots, the voters will give congress back to the Ds in two short years, then they’ll get right back to investigating Trump. But I also believe that Rs believe their radical agenda has wheels because of the results from 2024, when in fact it was a repudiation of the D’s radical agenda. 

[CardinalBacker]

If you want your kid to learn Christianity at school, there’s a “family life center” full of weird kids in plaid jumpers and clip-on ties at some local church in your community, guaranteed. 
 

That’s what church schools are for. 

[mat]

As opposed as some of you are, the majority of Americans would not have a problem with it, which says a Bible in the classroom would have no negative effect at the ballot box. It would just make those that oppose more angry.

 

[LumRaiderFan]

1 hour ago, CardinalBacker said:

My prediction is that the radicals in the house will create another series of battles in the House over picking a speaker anything will get done anyways. 
 

Personally? If the Rs let the nut jobs call the shots, the voters will give congress back to the Ds in two short years, then they’ll get right back to investigating Trump. But I also believe that Rs believe their radical agenda has wheels because of the results from 2024, when in fact it was a repudiation of the D’s radical agenda. 

lol, more predictions from the guy who hasn’t got one right yet.

cheeks clapped, cakewalk 

LOL LOL LOL

[bullets13]

52 minutes ago, mat said:

As opposed as some of you are, the majority of Americans would not have a problem with it, which says a Bible in the classroom would have no negative effect at the ballot box. It would just make those that oppose more angry.

 

Nonsense.  In a country where 245M people are eligible to vote, the “landslide” trump victory was by 2.7M.  Something like this is certainly divisive enough to affect elections.  And any effect it had would be almost a complete net loss for republicans.  

[bullets13]

23 hours ago, mat said:

What’s with liberals that are affected or threatened by the presence of a Bible in the classroom?

Counter question: what do conservatives actually gain by it being there? Apart from “sticking it to the liberals”, I mean.  

[baddog]

1 hour ago, LumRaiderFan said:

lol, more predictions from the guy who hasn’t got one right yet.

cheeks clapped, cakewalk 

LOL LOL LOL

Where would we be without someone to walk us through this? I mean, we were stupid enough to put the only man who couldn’t possibly beat Biden out there again. How foolish of us all. When people keep getting it wrong and regurgitate the same garbage, they are not to be taken seriously. After all, trolling IS a way of life……talking down from their pedestals. Lmao

[baddog]

55 minutes ago, bullets13 said:

Counter question: what do conservatives actually gain by it being there? Apart from “sticking it to the liberals”, I mean.  

Only thing I can come up with is guidance (conscience) for so many lost souls. Too many people’s answers for so many things is, “I don’t give a &$@%.

[Big girl]

14 hours ago, mat said:

There lies the problem. I disagree. The history of our founders varies according to who’s interpreting the narrative.

The one thing that no one talks much about, the Bible trumps our constitution. As a nation, we cannot expect Gods favor while pushing him out. However, I understand that’s not a considerable concern for those that don’t honor Gods supremacy or his word. 
 

 

 

In the U.S., the Bible does not trump the Constitution. We don't have an official religion.

[Big girl]

14 hours ago, baddog said:

Can you read? Do you have comprehension problems? Who in the heck said to force spiritual guidance? Answer…..No one! Your diploma precedes you.

I have a degree, you have a diploma. Get it right

[baddog]

12 minutes ago, Big girl said:

I have a degree, you have a diploma. Get it right

Not impressed with a stolen diploma for your so-called degree. Again, everyone else can understand what is posted. The one with the so-called degree is the only one who can’t. Not impressed.

[mat]

2 hours ago, bullets13 said:

Counter question: what do conservatives actually gain by it being there? Apart from “sticking it to the liberals”, I mean.  

In one of my previous post, I mentioned God’s favor. Honoring or rejecting can have great favor or consequences. 

[tvc184]

3 hours ago, mat said:

As opposed as some of you are, the majority of Americans would not have a problem with it, which says a Bible in the classroom would have no negative effect at the ballot box. It would just make those that oppose more angry.

 

Maybe that is correct but maybe not. 

It all comes down to the center…. or maybe even the right side of the aisle.

If something like that was allowed to go forward (won’t happen) “most” Republicans are not gonna vote Democrat because there’s a Bible of the classroom. Most Democrats are not going to all of a sudden vote Republican because there’s a Bible in the classroom even if they are Christian and agree with it. It’s probably almost a non-issue for them.

How much will the center be offended by such a law dictating Christianity in the classroom? Perhaps enough to throw an election? Perhaps joined by some Republican Christians? 

Don’t believe it?

In Santa Fe ISD v. Doe, the Supreme Court threw out a pre-game prayer over public address system. In that case so as to attempt to make it constitutional, the school district completely backed out of the process. The students were allowed to vote whether they wanted a public address with a prayer. If so, they were allowed to choose their own student representative who would deliver the prayer and what that prayer would be. So in that case, it was completely voluntary by students who are absolutely allowed to pray at school by the Constitution. Since there was no school input at all, they felt that it would pass a constitutional challenge. 

But no, someone was offended. It was the atheists, right!? Nope.

 Then it had to be the Muslims who were offended by something like Christian!! Wrong again.

It was a Catholics and Mormon who filed the federal lawsuit. So you had two Christians filing on an almost certainly Christian prayers over the public address system although it was supposed to be non-denominational. 

The Supreme Court ruled that such a prayer was a violation of the Constitution. Because it was at a public school event, on public school property and over a publicly owned PA system, it violated the First Amendment.

This isn’t to try to re-litigate the case but just to show that it was two Christians who ended school prayer before football games over the PA system. It wasn’t the evil atheists or someone from an opposing non-Christian religion.

So I’m not really sure how a person can claim for that it won’t make no difference. When they put the Bible in the classroom, is it going to be the King James Bible or the Catholic Bible?

Don’t be so sure that the opposition won’t be a Christian religion against another Christian religion.

Like a bumper sticker that I saw once, my Jesus is better than your Jesus. 

[mat]

4 hours ago, Big girl said:

In the U.S., the Bible does not trump the Constitution. We don't have an official religion.

We will all have to answer to Him one day. See how your belief goes.

[mat]

3 hours ago, tvc184 said:

Maybe that is correct but maybe not. 

It all comes down to the center…. or maybe even the right side of the aisle.

If something like that was allowed to go forward (won’t happen) “most” Republicans are not gonna vote Democrat because there’s a Bible of the classroom. Most Democrats are not going to all of a sudden vote Republican because there’s a Bible in the classroom even if they are Christian and agree with it. It’s probably almost a non-issue for them.

How much will the center be offended by such a law dictating Christianity in the classroom? Perhaps enough to throw an election? Perhaps joined by some Republican Christians? 

Don’t believe it?

In Santa Fe ISD v. Doe, the Supreme Court threw out a pre-game prayer over public address system. In that case so as to attempt to make it constitutional, the school district completely backed out of the process. The students were allowed to vote whether they wanted a public address with a prayer. If so, they were allowed to choose their own student representative who would deliver the prayer and what that prayer would be. So in that case, it was completely voluntary by students who are absolutely allowed to pray at school by the Constitution. Since there was no school input at all, they felt that it would pass a constitutional challenge. 

But no, someone was offended. It was the atheists, right!? Nope.

 Then it had to be the Muslims who were offended by something like Christian!! Wrong again.

It was a Catholics and Mormon who filed the federal lawsuit. So you had two Christians filing on an almost certainly Christian prayers over the public address system although it was supposed to be non-denominational. 

The Supreme Court ruled that such a prayer was a violation of the Constitution. Because it was at a public school event, on public school property and over a publicly owned PA system, it violated the First Amendment.

This isn’t to try to re-litigate the case but just to show that it was two Christians who ended school prayer before football games over the PA system. It wasn’t the evil atheists or someone from an opposing non-Christian religion.

So I’m not really sure how a person can claim for that it won’t make no difference. When they put the Bible in the classroom, is it going to be the King James Bible or the Catholic Bible?

Don’t be so sure that the opposition won’t be a Christian religion against another Christian religion.

Like a bumper sticker that I saw once, my Jesus is better than your Jesus. 

Then in 2018 the school had a mass shooting killing ten. Coincidence? Maybe, maybe not. As I said earlier, rejecting God can have consequences. 

[CardinalBacker]

7 hours ago, bullets13 said:

Counter question: what do conservatives actually gain by it being there? Apart from “sticking it to the liberals”, I mean.  

If they actually read the thing themselves, they wouldn’t vote Trump. 

[CardinalBacker]

1 hour ago, mat said:

Then in 2018 the school had a mass shooting killing ten. Coincidence? Maybe, maybe not. As I said earlier, rejecting God can have consequences. 

Yep… and we just rejected God in favor of Trump a couple for weeks ago. Last time He sent Covid down on us, killing over a million of us. How’s He gonna feel about y’all re-electing him?

 

[tvc184]

2 hours ago, mat said:

Then in 2018 the school had a mass shooting killing ten. Coincidence? Maybe, maybe not. As I said earlier, rejecting God can have consequences. 

Coincidence?

 The school district tried their best to keep God in school by allowing school prayer on campus. They are not the ones who rejected God at school, Supreme Court did that.

 If it was not a coincidence and there was divine intervention, was SFISD punished by God for fighting it all the way to the Supreme Court to keep Him on campus?

Your logic seems flawed. 

 

 

[Big girl]

11 hours ago, bullets13 said:

Nonsense.  In a country where 245M people are eligible to vote, the “landslide” trump victory was by 2.7M.  Something like this is certainly divisive enough to affect elections.  And any effect it had would be almost a complete net loss for republicans.  

I think 15 million fewer Democrats voted

[Big girl]

4 hours ago, CardinalBacker said:

Yep… and we just rejected God in favor of Trump a couple for weeks ago. Last time He sent Covid down on us, killing over a million of us. How’s He gonna feel about y’all re-electing him?

 

Lol