Facilities

[Vini vidi]

Do facilities matter? Seeing 4a ball clubs west of DFW in Stephenville,Godley, and Carthage in east Texas have do facilities matter. Either really nice stadiums, indoors, etc does the arms race matter. Lots of schools have nice stuff relative to size who are some others?

Personally I think they do especially money spent towards practice facilities, weightrooms etc. 

[WOSdrummer99]

Of course it helps. But not always a necessity. Melissa missed the playoffs.

 

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Edited November 15 by WOSdrummer99

[BBfan061]

It definitely helps… Check out Celina’s if you get a chance 

[Looper]

It certainly helps the students that use them (doesn't guarantee wins though), helps get kids in the athletics program that are other wise just walking the halls too. People want to work in nice facilities and schools they can be proud of, prospective families moving in take them into consideration as well. Facilities are really important around the metro areas where families are choosing between multiple areas and schools districts that could suit them logistically. 

Its as much marketing as anything else. Probably not going to have drastic immediate results but can payoff in the long term.

[WOSdrummer99]

8 hours ago, BBfan061 said:

It definitely helps… Check out Celina’s if you get a chance 

Smh. They don't have an elevator. Lol

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[Vini vidi]

Indoors have advantages for most spring sports even center now has upgraded with one and new basketball arena etc. a lot of semi suburban schools are going that way. Celina is now suburban with growth, Melissa the same in district with frisco and surrounding areas. So should our nearly suburban schools look to massively upgrade. Dayton, liberty, even Tarkington as liberty county is set for expansive growth. Bond infrastructure now or play catch up with portables. Just questions looking for opinions. Not trying to be political 

[89Falcon]

10 hours ago, Vini vidi said:

Indoors have advantages for most spring sports even center now has upgraded with one and new basketball arena etc. a lot of semi suburban schools are going that way. Celina is now suburban with growth, Melissa the same in district with frisco and surrounding areas. So should our nearly suburban schools look to massively upgrade. Dayton, liberty, even Tarkington as liberty county is set for expansive growth. Bond infrastructure now or play catch up with portables. Just questions looking for opinions. Not trying to be political 

Center community and school board made a commitment a few years ago to be the top facility in Shelby county. They have gradually been putting pieces in place that include the coliseum as mentioned above as well as a 100 yard covered pavilion (same one as Marshall) and a refurbished grass baseball stadium that includes a long term maintenance contract where the district does not maintain the turf. Girls athletics moved to the coliseum and the boys locker room was torn out and refashioned into a weight room. Center tennis facilities were already the best in East Texas. Not many in East Texas have better than Center at the moment 

[DukeS]

19 hours ago, WOSdrummer99 said:

Smh. They don't have an elevator. Lol

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That’s a mistake because their stadium policy mentions an elevator: 

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[WOSdrummer99]

1 hour ago, DukeS said:

That’s a mistake because their stadium policy mentions an elevator: 

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In Bob's defense, it hasn't been updated since 2020

[Matthew328]

1 hour ago, WOSdrummer99 said:

In Bob's defense, it hasn't been updated since 2020

I was about to say I went to Celina's stadium last year and they definitely had an elevator

[Bigdog]

On 11/16/2024 at 7:19 PM, WOSdrummer99 said:

In Bob's defense, it hasn't been updated since 2020

yeah, he only updates what people send him or if he has been to the stadium recently.

[Bigdog]

On 11/16/2024 at 9:15 PM, Matthew328 said:

I was about to say I went to Celina's stadium last year and they definitely had an elevator

Any major modifications made require ADA compliance so if it was updated fairly recently it has an elevator.

[WOSdrummer99]

3 hours ago, Bigdog said:

Any major modifications made require ADA compliance so if it was updated fairly recently it has an elevator.

Thanks for the reminder. I need to send an update. We also have an elevator now 🏆

[Mr. Thornton Melon]

Facilities don't matter but by putting money into these facilities it shows commitment to  the programs. This same commitment is used when selecting quality coaching and doing whatever it takes to land them. 

[89Falcon]

22 minutes ago, Mr. Thornton Melon said:

Facilities don't matter but by putting money into these facilities it shows commitment to  the programs. This same commitment is used when selecting quality coaching and doing whatever it takes to land them. 

So, are you saying facilities “do matter”? 

[Bigdog]

On 11/18/2024 at 10:58 AM, 89Falcon said:

So, are you saying facilities “do matter”? 

Not for wins or losses, plenty of teams win with less.  They are more for the fans and community.

[89Falcon]

Just now, Bigdog said:

Not for wins or losses, plenty of teams win with less.  They are more for the fans and community.

Is there any evidence that shows “nice facilities attract families and athletes”? 

[Bigdog]

Just now, 89Falcon said:

Is there any evidence that shows “nice facilities attract families and athletes”? 

I didn't say athletes I said fans and the community.  Facilities help with that but winning will bring them in.

[89Falcon]

1 minute ago, Bigdog said:

I didn't say athletes I said fans and the community.  Facilities help with that but winning will bring them in.

So, “is their any evidence that shows that nice facilities bring in families and athletes”? If the answer is yes (which it is), you would have to say facilities matter for winning.

[Bigdog]

1 minute ago, 89Falcon said:

So, “is their any evidence that shows that nice facilities bring in families and athletes”? If the answer is yes (which it is), you would have to say facilities matter for winning.

No facility has won or lost a game.  Like I said there are plenty of teams that have won with less.

[89Falcon]

Just now, Bigdog said:

No facility has won or lost a game.  Like I said there are plenty of teams that have won with less.

And there are a lot more that didn’t. Name all State Champions from the last 10 years and indicate whether or not they have nice facilities. It is overwhelming in favor of the nice facilities. It is not close. Parents and kids prefer “nice things”, therefore when they make choices they choose nicer over “not nice”. 

[Bigdog]

4 hours ago, 89Falcon said:

And there are a lot more that didn’t. Name all State Champions from the last 10 years and indicate whether or not they have nice facilities. It is overwhelming in favor of the nice facilities. It is not close. Parents and kids prefer “nice things”, therefore when they make choices they choose nicer over “not nice”. 

Its been in the last 15-20 years or so that the wave of upgrades have spread all over the state.    SLC and Permian didn't have that nice of stadiums when they were winning championships , nor did PNG or Ned when they were winning SCs in the 50s, 60s, or 70s.  Most of the 3A or lower stadiums might have turf, but seat 3K or less.   Parents are moving where the jobs are not where the stadiums are.

[89Falcon]

2 hours ago, Bigdog said:

Its been in the last 15-20 years or so that the wave of upgrades have spread all over the state.    SLC and Permian didn't have that nice of stadiums when they were winning championships , nor did PNG or Ned when they were winning SCs in the 50s, 60s, or 70s.  Most of the 3A or lower stadiums might have turf, but seat 3K or less.   Parents are moving where the jobs are not where the stadiums are.

Got, >20 years ago it was less of a factor. It is overwhelmingly a factor now. Parents have easy transportation to anywhere within 50 miles. They move to locations where their kids will have better resources.

I am assuming you could not come with any example of winning programs that have poor facilities? 

[BBfan061]

1 hour ago, 89Falcon said:

Got, >20 years ago it was less of a factor. It is overwhelmingly a factor now. Parents have easy transportation to anywhere within 50 miles. They move to locations where their kids will have better resources.

I am assuming you could not come with any example of winning programs that have poor facilities? 

Define poor? I’m not throwing any shade or talking down on any program but are Newtons facilities that great? 

[AggiesAreWe]

1 minute ago, BBfan061 said:

Define poor? I’m not throwing any shade or talking down on any program but are Newtons facilities that great? 

No