Barbers Hill (28) vs La Porte (55) - FINAL

[OlDawg]

Simon wound up with 160 yards on 16 carries & 3 TD’s in the first half.

[Clueless]

7 hours ago, Rob Corpus said:

LaPorte has been kicking butt since the loss to PNG. They even beat Angleton! Good job Dawgs! Good luck vs AMC

If they were healthy against PNG, they would’ve crushed them. They started getting their bosses back after PNG game

[gary-us-bonds]

1 hour ago, OlDawg said:

Simon wound up with 160 yards on 16 carries & 3 TD’s in the first half.

Simon is too big, explosive and ill-intentioned for a team like Barbers Hill to do much with. Whoever is going to stop him will need to have roughly equivalent athletes all over on defense which will be tough to find...or a quick, well-coached, swarming defense to get three guys around him every play 

[OlDawg]

22 minutes ago, gary-us-bonds said:

Simon is too big, explosive and ill-intentioned for a team like Barbers Hill to do much with. Whoever is going to stop him will need to have roughly equivalent athletes all over on defense which will be tough to find...or a quick, well-coached, swarming defense to get three guys around him every play 

I was just happy they played a clean game. They’d been worrying me with some sloppy play the last couple of games. They’ll need another clean game against AMC to have a chance against the #2 team in the state.

[vbdiva]

What grade is the LP rb? 

[OlDawg]

10 minutes ago, vbdiva said:

What grade is the LP rb? 

Freshman. If you’re asking about Simon. Barnes & Sandolph are Sr’s. Bright is a Jr.

[Goslin]

On 11/22/2024 at 9:07 PM, Old Ape said:

One team is 100% homegrown and based on toughness!

one team hopes another Baytown kid gets tired of Lee, Sterling, or GCM and saves them!

Which one is which?  LP is Open Enrollment and although BH is technically “closed” by GCCISD’s own admission BH has taken twice as many GCCISD transfers than DP, LP, or NS just in this past year.  A LOT of these transfers have been happening in Jr High to avoid PAPF/eligibility questions which is why UIL is tightening things up on transfers between 8th and 9th grades starting in Aug plus sending a UIL rep to observe DEC meetings of Districts with high numbers of transfers in/out.

 

 

Oh, BTW, Lee was 6-4 this year, while RSS was 3-7 and GCM was 0-10.  Neither the RSS or GCM results are surprising but REL did well this year.

[1970]

23 hours ago, Clueless said:

If they were healthy against PNG, they would’ve crushed them. They started getting their bosses back after PNG game

You must be referring to LaPorte's defense?  PNG scored 49, but gave up 35.  It's been a few weeks since that game, but if I recall, LP's 2 or 3 RBs and their QB looked pretty danged healthy to me.  

Edit:  Looking back at the game thread, LP did have some defensive starters out for that game.  That was an early season game, though; lots of changes on both teams since then, especially on defense.  

[OlDawg]

1 hour ago, 1970 said:

You must be referring to LaPorte's defense?  PNG scored 49, but gave up 35.  It's been a few weeks since that game, but if I recall, LP's 2 or 3 RBs and their QB looked pretty danged healthy to me.  

Edit:  Looking back at the game thread, LP did have some defensive starters out for that game.  That was an early season game, though; lots of changes on both teams since then, especially on defense.  

It’s been awhile, but I seem to remember 5 D starters out & 2 O starters out (OL). A big difference is that Simon wasn’t involved yet. He’s totally changed LP’s rushing attack from last year as a bruising, explosive addition to Barnes, Sandolph & Bright. Last year—and early this season—LP was missing that element.

Now, Coach Berneathy is not making talented players wait like many other coaches & even his predecessors at LP. If the kid can produce at the varsity level, they’re moved up. And man, has Simon produced! Over 1200 yards & 20 TD’s in less than a full season so far! It’s allowed LP to alternate RB’s where Barnes doesn’t take all the pounding. Barnes and Sandolph are also able to split out as receivers as desired to add threats that weren’t really an option last year.

The PNG/LP game was a full-on tilt & good for both squads. I remember Gary Joseph in the end zone giving his son pointers as an extra set of eyes since he’d had experience with LP in past PO matchups. That was a good game. The score wasn’t really indicative of the game. Not sure anyone felt it was over until the final whistle!

Good luck to y’all in Cajun Country. Bring back a win for SE Texas. (Yes. La Porte is still SETX. Ha!)

[OlDawg]

2 hours ago, Goslin said:

Which one is which?  LP is Open Enrollment and although BH is technically “closed” by GCCISD’s own admission BH has taken twice as many GCCISD transfers than DP, LP, or NS just in this past year.  A LOT of these transfers have been happening in Jr High to avoid PAPF/eligibility questions which is why UIL is tightening things up on transfers between 8th and 9th grades starting in Aug plus sending a UIL rep to observe DEC meetings of Districts with high numbers of transfers in/out.

 

 

Oh, BTW, Lee was 6-4 this year, while RSS was 3-7 and GCM was 0-10.  Neither the RSS or GCM results are surprising but REL did well this year.

This is good info. It doesn’t really break out for student athletes though. LP & (I think) DP are open enrollment because of the way the towns intertwine. That’s the way it’s been for many years anyway. I assume it still is that way. The kids have a choice after Jr. High to go to either High School because LPISD has elementary schools in DP. As I recall, DP didn’t want to build out more (Robin Hood issues), and so DPISD & LPISD came to an arrangement because LPISD is one of the highest givers to Robin Hood in the state, and it helped both keep more funds in district.

Of course, LPISD is open to all. Not just DP, and LPISD is rated well. So, I assume they have kids from elsewhere also. Not positive though. They used to have a lot because—for decades—DeWalt was the only dedicated public school in the GHA that specifically catered to special needs kids. Families from all over enrolled. But, they didn’t participate in extracurricular activities like sports. So, LP’s total enrollment made them 6A. But, they were really a 5A school all along for sports program sake.

This is all as best as I can recall from when I was more involved in school issues. I’m sure a lot has changed since then. My kids have been out for 20 years.

[Goslin]

1 hour ago, OlDawg said:

This is good info. It doesn’t really break out for student athletes though

Well, those numbers aren’t exactly numbers that Districts want to share.  I can tell you that during North Shore’s DEC and SEC hearings over recruiting violations earlier this year it was revealed that although they only had 2-3 High School transfers as starters, Program-wide 20-25% of their kids were Jr High transfers and that percentage was even higher amongst their starters, and I’m sure it’s safe to assume similar numbers in any of the big successful programs that draw talent from surrounding districts/schools.  Hence the incoming UIL rule changes 8/1/25 concerning transfers between 8th and 9th, change from “no Varsity” to “no participation at all”, and a UIL employee at any DEC meeting involving Districts with lots of transfers.

[OlDawg]

23 minutes ago, Goslin said:

Well, those numbers aren’t exactly numbers that Districts want to share.  I can tell you that during North Shore’s DEC and SEC hearings over recruiting violations earlier this year it was revealed that although they only had 2-3 High School transfers as starters, Program-wide 20-25% of their kids were Jr High transfers and that percentage was even higher amongst their starters, and I’m sure it’s safe to assume similar numbers in any of the big successful programs that draw talent from surrounding districts/schools.  Hence the incoming UIL rule changes 8/1/25 concerning transfers between 8th and 9th, change from “no Varsity” to “no participation at all”, and a UIL employee at any DEC meeting involving Districts with lots of transfers.

Sounds like a good idea, and something’s been needed for a long time. I know—where my kids & grandkids live now (DFW area)—schools are like revolving doors for athletic purposes.

I don’t think the DPISD & LPISD option enrollment are anywhere like that. I assume it’s pretty above board since it was an arrangement apparently agreed to also by the state.

I do know some kids that went to LPISD elementary schools in DP chose to go to DPHS because of the district rating. (Of course, at the time, DPISD and DP in general wasn’t very racially mixed like La Porte.) LPISD has a high number of kids on assistance programs compared to DP. Say what you will, it does make it more difficult for educational purposes and scores can reflect as much. LPISD is still rated high even with that challenge.

Some of the kids that chose DPHS were very solid athletes that I’m sure LP would love to have had attend LPHS.

Of course, part of the big rivalry between DP & LP has always been because DP ‘looked down’ on LP even though we worked side-by-side. Now that Shell DP refinery has been sold to PEMEX, DP is changing. Some aren’t happy about it.

Some of us in LP are kinda tickled about it after the history.

[Goslin]

15 minutes ago, OlDawg said:

Sounds like a good idea, and something’s been needed for a long time. I know—where my kids & grandkids live now (DFW area)—schools are like revolving doors for athletic purposes.

I don’t think the DPISD & LPISD option enrollment are anywhere like that. I assume it’s pretty above board since it was an arrangement apparently agreed to also by the state.

I do know some kids that went to LPISD elementary schools in DP chose to go to DPHS because of the district rating. (Of course, at the time, DPISD and DP in general wasn’t very racially mixed like La Porte.) LPISD has a high number of kids on assistance programs compared to DP. Say what you will, it does make it more difficult for educational purposes and scores can reflect as much. LPISD is still rated high even with that challenge.

Some of the kids that chose DPHS were very solid athletes that I’m sure LP would love to have had attend LPHS.

Of course, part of the big rivalry between DP & LP has always been because DP ‘looked down’ on LP even though we worked side-by-side. Now that Shell DP refinery has been sold to PEMEX, DP is changing. Some aren’t happy about it.

Some of us in LP are kinda tickled about it after the history.

I don’t know about any rivalry there because I don’t live there but although LP and DP play in different classifications they still have a lot in common.  I mean, both beat Barber’s Hill this year!

[WOSdrummer99]

5 hours ago, Goslin said:

 

 

 

 

Where did u find this? 

[Clueless]

We have a new apartments complex being built in Mont Belvieu. You’re going to need to update that chart.😂

[oldman]

The numbers on those charts reflect all age groups and not just HS age Students.

Another thing to remember,  some parents of school age kids might work in neighboring districts and choose to have their child in the district they are employed.  Not always the case but it is something to remember

[Clueless]

2 hours ago, Goslin said:

Well, those numbers aren’t exactly numbers that Districts want to share.  I can tell you that during North Shore’s DEC and SEC hearings over recruiting violations earlier this year it was revealed that although they only had 2-3 High School transfers as starters, Program-wide 20-25% of their kids were Jr High transfers and that percentage was even higher amongst their starters, and I’m sure it’s safe to assume similar numbers in any of the big successful programs that draw talent from surrounding districts/schools.  Hence the incoming UIL rule changes 8/1/25 concerning transfers between 8th and 9th, change from “no Varsity” to “no participation at all”, and a UIL employee at any DEC meeting involving Districts with lots of transfers.

Can you share the link to the UIL change that you’re talking about? I looked, but couldn’t find anything.

[Goslin]

1 hour ago, WOSdrummer99 said:

Where did u find this? 

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GCCISD paid a firm called PASA to compile this report ahead of them closing/consolidating some schools and redrawing attendance zones.

[Goslin]

27 minutes ago, Clueless said:

Can you share the link to the UIL change that you’re talking about? I looked, but couldn’t find anything.

It’s behind a paywall but here’s Baytown Sun’s story on it.  It was reported on in other papers statewide so if you search by the date I think you’ll find other stories on it.

UIL strengthens student transfer rules

• By Ron McDowell [email protected]
• Oct 18, 2024
•  

In order to maintain a level playing field for all member schools, the University Interscholastic League strengthened rules regarding transfer student eligibility at its most recent meeting in Austin.

Every year thousands of students transfer schools in the state of Texas. A student’s ability to participate in UIL sanctioned activities may be limited base on the reasons for the transfer.

A change in family status, work transfers, enrollment in an academic magnet program, or a move across town, receive scrutiny, but only rarely does one of these reasons result in the loss of eligibility. The only reason to automatically cause the loss of participation eligibility is a transfer for athletic purposes.

The current rule, which has been in place since 1981, does not require a Previous Athletic Participation Form (PAPFs) to be submitted if the student-athlete does not participate in a varsity level sport during the first year of enrollment.

There has been growing concern among some member schools, that other members are breaking the current rule and creating “super teams” with new transfer enrollees, and that the UIL is not doing enough to police, what appear to be, the inordinate number of transfers among high school athletes.

To mitigate these concerns, the UIL approved a proposal to expand the power of the State Executive Committee (SEC) and allow it to investigate schools based upon the number of PAPFs submitted.

Schools that submit an inordinate number of PAPFs would face heightened scrutiny and possible public reprimand and future sanctions.

The UIL has also changed the requirements for PAPF submission, mandating that the form be submitted before a grade 9-12 transfer student may participate at any level of school athletics.

This is a marked departure from the current policy which encourages schools not to complete PAPFs for students who transfer in, if the school believes that the student will not play a varsity sport in the first year the student is enrolled at the new school.

Some critics of the current system think that the change doesn’t go far enough. Speaking on background, one local school district source suggested that there should be an automatic year wait for transfer students due to the number of loopholes in the waiver process. “If a student transfers, it should be a year out of competition automatically,” the source said.

In addition, the UIL also approved a proposal that gives the SEC the power to appoint an independent administrator to oversee the conduct of the local District Executive Committee (DEC) if it is determined that the DEC is not consistently enforcing the rules of the governing body.

The change is significant since all appeals that a school brings, starts and usually ends with the DEC. That includes the determination of transfer student eligibility.

It is believed that with the implementation of this change, schools in a UIL district will be less likely to face retribution from the DEC chair and other members.

The policy changes will go into effect, Aug. 1, 2025

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[Goslin]

30 minutes ago, Clueless said:

Can you share the link to the UIL change that you’re talking about? I looked, but couldn’t find anything.

Here’s a link to another story about it

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[Goslin]

45 minutes ago, oldman said:

The numbers on those charts reflect all age groups and not just HS age Students.

Another thing to remember,  some parents of school age kids might work in neighboring districts and choose to have their child in the district they are employed.  Not always the case but it is something to remember

Like I said, even if it’s only 10% of the 100 kids BHISD takes from GCCISD each year, that’s 10 athletes per year and that’s being generous.  You’re right about the jobs with BHISD, BTW.  There’s more than 1 athlete from Baytown originally who got transferred to BHISD after a job opened up for Mama.

[Goslin]

55 minutes ago, Clueless said:

We have a new apartments complex being built in Mont Belvieu. You’re going to need to update that chart.😂

You got a LOT more than that, you’ve got Riceland filling up.

GCM is dropping down from 23-6A back down to 5A in ‘26.  GCCISD is redrawing attendance zones to make sure of that.  At the same time, BH was only about 100 students under the 6A threshold last time UIL drew districts so BH is definitely going up to 6A when those maps get redrawn, probably right into the empty spot in 23-6A GCM is leaving when they drop down.

[OlDawg]

16 minutes ago, Goslin said:

Like I said, even if it’s only 10% of the 100 kids BHISD takes from GCCISD each year, that’s 10 athletes per year and that’s being generous.  You’re right about the jobs with BHISD, BTW.  There’s more than 1 athlete from Baytown originally who got transferred to BHISD after a job opened up for Mama.

Need a new recruiting coordinator then cause something ain’t workin…😂

[Goslin]

54 minutes ago, OlDawg said:

Need a new recruiting coordinator then cause something ain’t workin…😂

Well, it’s not like they can build a whole team out of recruits,hahaha!  Just look at Faith Family for what happens when you push that envelope too far. 

[oldman]

So you are essentially accusing BH of recruiting