Barbers Hill (28) vs La Porte (55) - FINAL

[oldman]

Not right making false accusations.   

[Goslin]

25 minutes ago, oldman said:

So you are essentially accusing BH of recruiting

Nah, I’m sure they’re clean as a Preacher’s sheets and there’s not a one of those 100 GCCISD kids BHISD gets in every year that’s an athlete.  I mean, we’ll know for sure past August because UIL is placing one of their own to look over things in any DEC with a lot of transfers and if there’s one thing BHISD has it’s a lot of transfers.

[oldman]

1 minute ago, Goslin said:

Nah, I’m sure they’re clean as a Preacher’s sheets and there’s not a one of those 100 GCCISD kids BHISD gets in every year that’s an athlete.  I mean, we’ll know for sure past August because UIL is placing one of their own to look over things in any DEC with a lot of transfers and if there’s one thing BHISD has it’s a lot of transfers.

So you say Nah , not throwing accusations and turn around and make the accusation again.

So this is the ANGLE Goose Creek Athletics will take now.   Accuse districts of recruiting their athletes and blame that of why they are not very good

[Goslin]

2 minutes ago, oldman said:

So you say Nah , not throwing accusations and turn around and make the accusation again.

So this is the ANGLE Goose Creek Athletics will take now.   Accuse districts of recruiting their athletes and blame that of why they are not very good

REL was 6-4 this season, doing all right in 5A-2.  No lie, though, transfers out hurt GCCISD athletics BAD and it’s all sports, not just football.  I posted the transfer numbers already and those are straight from GCCISD.  I’m no District employee and don’t speak for them, GCCISD made all the info I’ve posted public knowledge ahead of the school consolidations and attendance zone changes they’re going to have to get done this coming Summer, but it’s obvious looking at those numbers what’s going on and again, it’s not like Barber’s Hill is the only one who does this.  ALL the successful programs draw in kids from surrounding districts and the real Big Dawgs have drawn in a few from a lot further than that over the years.  It’s just going to get a bit harder to do that after next season, that’s all.

[oldman]

So 10 years from now GCCISD will say that Little Johnny or Little Susie was in GCCISD in kindergarten and transferred to BH or DP.  
 

GCCISD trying to make excuses

[OlDawg]

1 hour ago, oldman said:

So 10 years from now GCCISD will say that Little Johnny or Little Susie was in GCCISD in kindergarten and transferred to BH or DP.  
 

GCCISD trying to make excuses

10 years? Heck. Two years from now it might be because of school choice passing…😬

(And it can’t be Susie or Johnny. It must be 2 purple unicorns.)

In all seriousness, with school choice probably passing—which I’m not saying is a bad thing for educating the kiddos—and NIL, we may be seeing the end of TXHSFB as we know it now soon anyway.

[oldman]

School Choice most likely will pass.  Don’t see NIL in HS sports 

[gary-us-bonds]

11 minutes ago, oldman said:

School Choice most likely will pass.  Don’t see NIL in HS sports 

Already permitted for 18 and up.

Will be permitted across the board within five to ten years.

[1970]

11 hours ago, OlDawg said:

It’s been awhile, but I seem to remember 5 D starters out & 2 O starters out (OL). A big difference is that Simon wasn’t involved yet. He’s totally changed LP’s rushing attack from last year as a bruising, explosive addition to Barnes, Sandolph & Bright. Last year—and early this season—LP was missing that element.

Now, Coach Berneathy is not making talented players wait like many other coaches & even his predecessors at LP. If the kid can produce at the varsity level, they’re moved up. And man, has Simon produced! Over 1200 yards & 20 TD’s in less than a full season so far! It’s allowed LP to alternate RB’s where Barnes doesn’t take all the pounding. Barnes and Sandolph are also able to split out as receivers as desired to add threats that weren’t really an option last year.

The PNG/LP game was a full-on tilt & good for both squads. I remember Gary Joseph in the end zone giving his son pointers as an extra set of eyes since he’d had experience with LP in past PO matchups. That was a good game. The score wasn’t really indicative of the game. Not sure anyone felt it was over until the final whistle!

Good luck to y’all in Cajun Country. Bring back a win for SE Texas. (Yes. La Porte is still SETX. Ha!)

I didn't see the halftime end zone meet up, but I heard that the DC McDaniel and Coach J. were there talking at the end of the 1st half. McD was in the press box rather than sideline for the first few games.  I hadn't heard of Gary J. being there until your post. 

[Old Ape]

No parent who loved their child and cared about them being on a quality hs football team would make their kid stay at GCM or Sterling!

[Old Ape]

Everywhere is open enrollment! Some places just have a few hoops to jump through!

[Separation Scientist]

23 hours ago, Goslin said:

Which one is which?  LP is Open Enrollment and although BH is technically “closed” by GCCISD’s own admission BH has taken twice as many GCCISD transfers than DP, LP, or NS just in this past year.  A LOT of these transfers have been happening in Jr High to avoid PAPF/eligibility questions which is why UIL is tightening things up on transfers between 8th and 9th grades starting in Aug plus sending a UIL rep to observe DEC meetings of Districts with high numbers of transfers in/out.ar.

That should tell everyone something pretty clearly. Does anyone really think BH is recruiting elementary kids, to get them to transfer in Jr. high? Seriously? Here is the "dirty little secret" about BH: Most people move to the district for a quality living environment to raise their young family, and benefit from the outstanding acedemics at BH. Even If all athlectics suddenly disappeared from BH, people would still want their kids in the district. If thats not enough to convince anyone, and BH really was determined to recruit, first step would be to have open enrollemnt. It is closed.       

Yes, I get it, no one ever wants to give BH the benefit of the doubt on anything. Some of the accusations are beyond ridiculous though. This paranoia the BH critics are afflicted with is not just sad, its flat out laughable. 

 

 

[OlDawg]

Been around a few years. I’ve always heard that BH was very good academically. Honestly, sports wasn’t really brought up as a first evaluation criteria.

If I was a parent in a large metro area (and Baytown is pretty good size), I’d be looking to send my kids to a surrounding district as well just due to the academics alone. The last ‘report card’ I saw didn’t reflect that well on GCCISD in general compared to neighboring districts other than GPISD.

BHISD, DPISD, and LPISD were all rated much higher.

[gary-us-bonds]

According to Texas Tribune, Gccisd, Laporte and deer park are all rated B. Barbers Hill is an A.

GC has a higher 4 year graduation rate than LP or DP.

BH is far and away the best district on this side of town.

GC has a much higher percentage economically disadvantaged at 71.7% with LP being next closest at 52%.

Surprised that GC is performing so well considering.

All of the players that would likely make a great football team are out by GCM and Sterling. If GCM had Lee's coach and dropped back down into 5A division 1, they would be able to compete very well against BH and LP. I don't know what their problem is with getting the athletes to gel into an actual team.

Lee still beat them both this year and was sort of a down year by Lee's standards. Lot of injuries some kids moved out of district and they are paper thin as it is.

[Goslin]

7 hours ago, Separation Scientist said:

That should tell everyone something pretty clearly. Does anyone really think BH is recruiting elementary kids, to get them to transfer in Jr. high? Seriously? 

 

You’re the one talking about Elementary school kids.  What I’m saying is that there are kids who play Jr School ball in GCCISD and then transfer into BHISD/GPISD/LPISD/DPISD between 8th and 9th.  Doing so means no PAPF/eligibility questionnaire and they get to play Freshman/JV, work out with the team, etc. and look homegrown because they transferred before freshman year.  it’s a loophole.  All the big programs do it.  That’s why the UIL rules changes, to close up the 8th-to-9th transfer portal, and it isn’t even taking effect until Aug 1 2025 so you’ll see these transfers this summer.

Also, as far as BHISD being closed instead of open, just look at the GCCISD transfer numbers I posted.  GCCISD loses twice as many kids to BHISD per year, the “closed” district, than they do to the open Districts in the area.  Anyone who lives here knows folks who’ve used MeeMaw’s address to get their kids in there.  It is what it is and if it wasn’t, UIL wouldn’t be changing those rules and sending one of their own to the DECs now would they?
 

Go ask Coach Abseck how many kids in his program are 8th Grade transfers.  We know that at North Shore that number is at least 20% because of the numbers they had to provide UIL during their recruiting investigation.  I’ll bet BHISD’s numbers are AT LEAST that.  Again, THEY ALL DO IT.  

[oldman]

If GCCISD Junior High feeder program was worth a crap maybe the Baytown Schools could compete better.

You act as if BH wouldn’t be worth a crap if it wasn’t for Baytown transfers.  
BH has competed for as long as I can remember and it is with kids their coaching staff developed.  BH not getting a Reggie Branch from Baytown like a neighboring district did a few years ago.

If your logic is correct then come the beginning of the 2nd Semester there will be a long line of transfers ready to enroll at BH.

 

 

 

[Goslin]

3 minutes ago, gary-us-bonds said:

According to Texas Tribune, Gccisd, Laporte and deer park are all rated B. Barbers Hill is an A.

GC has a higher 4 year graduation rate than LP or DP.

BH is far and away the best district on this side of town.

GC has a much higher percentage economically disadvantaged at 71.7% with LP being next closest at 52%.

Surprised that GC is performing so well considering.

All of the players that would likely make a great football team are out by GCM and Sterling. If GCM had Lee's coach and dropped back down into 5A division 1, they would be able to compete very well against BH and LP. I don't know what their problem is with getting the athletes to gel into an actual team.

Lee still beat them both this year and was sort of a down year by Lee's standards. Lot of injuries some kids moved out of district and they are paper thin as it is.

REL actually improved this year to 6-4 which was remarkable because like you said, they had a lot of injuries and their bench was thin before that.  It’s crazy how the smallest of the 3 GCCISD High Schools finds a way to at least field a team that can hold their own but you’re right that coaching is one aspect of it.  Not that they’re a top 150 team or even close to it but if they’d lost a couple less guys there’s a real chance they could have beat Texas City and gone to at least the 1st round of playoffs this year which for GCCISD football might as well be State for how hard it is for them.
 

You’re spot-on about GCM and RSS coaches.  GCM coach is 2-28 over 3 years and RSS coach is 15-45 over 6.  Hard to get kids to participate in what they know from the outset is a losing proposition.  I watched the GCM/NS Game.  I was worried someone would get hurt, felt sick.  All 22 of NS starters are high level D1 Commits, QB is 19 years old, and GCM lined up a bunch of Sophomores against them, kids that aren’t even old enough to drive.  

 

I know GCCISD wouldn’t ever do it but they really ought to stop insisting that the 3 High Schools play each other for their first 2 out of conference games.  At least let GCM out of it.  All 3 schools are in different Classifications so the wins don’t matter except for bragging rights around town and with REL winning both those games every season all it does is kill morale before the first District game is even played.  Let GCM schedule some OOC games on their level like Houston Sterling/Sam Houston/Chavez for their first 3.  That way there’s a good chance even if they lose every District game they could end up 3-7 and if they beat Channelview 4-6.  GCM having to lose to RSS and REL to start their season every year is just a killer.

 

You want to know why all the talent at EF Green Jr doesn’t show up at GCM?  Because that talent transfers to North Shore after 8th grade is done.  Straight-up.  They don’t care if you know either.  Those kids moms get on Facebook and brag about it.  Of course, most of those kids end up so far back on the depth chart that by Sophomore year they want to transfer back just so they can get to play at all but then you run into the eligibility thing. 

 

Anyway, sorry for the off-topic tangent, this is a BH thread.  

[Goslin]

7 minutes ago, oldman said:

If GCCISD Junior High feeder program was worth a crap maybe the Baytown Schools could compete better.

You act as if BH wouldn’t be worth a crap if it wasn’t for Baytown transfers.  
BH has competed for as long as I can remember and it is with kids their coaching staff developed.  BH not getting a Reggie Branch from Baytown like a neighboring district did a few years ago.

If your logic is correct then come the beginning of the 2nd Semester there will be a long line of transfers ready to enroll at BH.

 

 

 

Im not saying that at all.  You keep putting words in my mouth.  I’m sure transfers help some but even with 20% transfers the team is still 80% homegrown and it could be as low as 10% for all I know.  It’s a fact, though.  It happens everywhere.  UIL wouldn’t be changing the rules if it wasn’t happening everywhere.

 

I think you’re right about an uptick in transfers but instead of Spring semester I think it’ll be right at the end of the School Year.  That way they finish up at their old school but get to attend Summer Strength & Conditioning at their new school before 9th grade starts.  It’ll be real interesting if GCCISD will release the transfer numbers from now until Aug 1 to see if transfers to BH increased from the 100 transfers this past school year.

[oldman]

2 of Lee’s 6 wins come against Baytown Schools.   So essentially your record is 4-4. 

[Goslin]

2 minutes ago, oldman said:

2 of Lee’s 6 wins come against Baytown Schools.   So essentially your record is 4-4. 

That’s still a .500 season which I’m sure you’ll agree considering the state of GCCISD athletics is pretty good.  I’ll take .500 all day long over 2-7 which is RSS’ this year minus their win against GCM and of course GCM went 0-10.  Yessir, I’m proud of them going .500 the way things are now.

[gary-us-bonds]

I went to look up the one ef green kid I was really looking forward to seeing at GCM, even though I am a lee fan....

Playing on varsity as a freshman at CE King. He's probably a future state title winner in discus too.

They need a coach that can convince those kids to stay at gcm

[Goslin]

1 minute ago, gary-us-bonds said:

I went to look up the one ef green kid I was really looking forward to seeing at GCM, even though I am a lee fan....

Playing on varsity as a freshman at CE King. He's probably a future state title winner in discus too.

They need a coach that can convince those kids to stay at gcm

Told ya!  That’s how it goes! 

[gary-us-bonds]

19 minutes ago, Goslin said:

Told ya!  That’s how it goes! 

It's all making sense now. I could never figure out why ef green opened their doors a few years ago and I read in the paper how they were rolling over everyone but it never translated over to high school. After a bit more research, I see that the kid scoring all those touchdowns that first year plays for Barbers Hill now.

Maybe a different coach could recruit better or, like was mentioned with the new rule, maybe it would be more difficult for other schools. They will just drop down and transfer for 8th grade then. I don't think this will stop anything.

[oldman]

19 minutes ago, gary-us-bonds said:

It's all making sense now. I could never figure out why ef green opened their doors a few years ago and I read in the paper how they were rolling over everyone but it never translated over to high school. After a bit more research, I see that the kid scoring all those touchdowns that first year plays for Barbers Hill now.

Maybe a different coach could recruit better or, like was mentioned with the new rule, maybe it would be more difficult for other schools. They will just drop down and transfer for 8th grade then. I don't think this will stop anything.

And what BH kid is that?  

[Goslin]

32 minutes ago, gary-us-bonds said:

It's all making sense now. I could never figure out why ef green opened their doors a few years ago and I read in the paper how they were rolling over everyone but it never translated over to high school. After a bit more research, I see that the kid scoring all those touchdowns that first year plays for Barbers Hill now.

Maybe a different coach could recruit better or, like was mentioned with the new rule, maybe it would be more difficult for other schools. They will just drop down and transfer for 8th grade then. I don't think this will stop anything.

It’ll make it a little harder because then they’d be transferring in younger kids.  Transferring 7th graders means you’re getting a lot of kids that aren’t through puberty yet.  Doesn’t mean parents won’t do it but Coaches might not be as receptive to the whole idea.  I think you will see an uptick in younger transfers though, after 8/1/25

 

GCM’s coach isn’t going anywhere.  He’s a former North Shore assistant coach and there’s another former North Shore assistant coach as GCCISD District AD.  They’re tight so Coach Ragsdale has job security.

 

11 minutes ago, oldman said:

And what BH kid is that?  

You really want him to put the kid on blast like that?  It’s easy to figure out if you don’t mind digging a little.  Rosters are online.