Waco La Vega (42) vs West Orange-Stark (20) - FINAL

[AggiesAreWe]

3 minutes ago, WO-S 89 said:

A drop in talent in football is crazy to say. I guess Cornel knew the talent was drying up so he retired.  Thats just stupid to think that.  

I am not saying there is no talent, just not as much these last few years,

From my eye, I honestly believe there has been a drop. Nothing astronomical, but still a drop. Have had others tell me the same.

[WO-S 89]

1 minute ago, Who That said:

He didn't say that..! 🤦🏻‍♂️

Talent across the board has dropped.  That means football too 

[WO-S 89]

3 minutes ago, AggiesAreWe said:

I am not saying there is no talent, just not as much these last few years,

From my eye, I honestly believe there has been a drop. Nothing astronomical, but still a drop. Have had others tell me the same.

Ok, has anybody mention we have had a big drop off in coaching or is it just players 

[WO-S 89]

It’s funny for 44 years Hooks and Thompson never had a drop off in talent. 

[AggiesAreWe]

Just now, WO-S 89 said:

Ok, has anybody mention we have had a big drop off in coaching?  

If you are talking football, then yes. But keep it in perspective. You had two Hall of Fame coaches prior to now. Most would expect a drop.

The fact is WO-S has been spoiled with having two HOF coaches over a 45 year period. Also a very experienced coaching staff over those years, That is something that many many schools dream of.

Welcome to the real world. lol

[AggiesAreWe]

3 minutes ago, WO-S 89 said:

It’s funny for 44 years Hooks and Thompson never had a drop off in talent. 

Most of those years they had a 1200 enrollment or more.

Now under 700.

Just those numbers say a loss of some talent.

[WO-S 89]

1 minute ago, AggiesAreWe said:

If you are talking football, then yes. But keep it in perspective. You had two Hall of Fame coaches prior to now. Most would expect a drop.

The fact is WO-S has been spoiled with having two HOF coaches over a 45 year period. Also a very experienced coaching staff over those years, That is something that many many schools dream of.

Welcome to the real world. lol

Ok I agree with u on that but if T would have never left we would not be talking about talent is not there.  

[WO-S 89]

4 minutes ago, AggiesAreWe said:

Most of those years they had a 1200 enrollment or more.

Now under 700.

Just those numbers say a loss of some talent.

Ok but we are playing school with about same enrollment now.   We are not still playing teams with 1200 plus 

[AggiesAreWe]

5 minutes ago, WO-S 89 said:

Ok but we are playing school with about same enrollment now.   We are not still playing teams with 1200 plus 

Solid point

[WO-S 89]

7 minutes ago, AggiesAreWe said:

Solid point

All I’m saying is the downward spiral started 3 years ago and the talent is still there in 4a 

[wo-s#1]

1 hour ago, AggiesAreWe said:

As most on here know I am all about the numbers. Nothing good about those numbers, particularly the girls sports. 12-89???

Most want to point at the coaching aspect of these numbers (and rightly so). But those numbers also scream lack of talent.

I watch a lot of football and basketball (more basketball than anything) over the last several years and some baseball and softball. (no volleyball). Personally IMO, I have seen a drop in talent at WO-S across the board. I also talk with lot's of area coaches (multiple sports) and many say the same thing about WO-S athletics. The talent has dropped.

Now it ain't all about the athletes though. It's also a fact the experience level on the athletic staff at WO-S is not nearly experienced as it once was. I am talking all sports, not just football. That has a lot to do with the lack of success as well.

The real question is, why are there not highly experienced coaches at WO-S? I think most have an idea as to why but I think it's more than just that. 

I think football is getting better. Boys basketball has had it's moments over the last couple years as well. But the other sports are certainly struggling, to say the least.

The baseball coach has a ton of experience at high school and college level and hasn’t done anything for I think around 7 years now,it’s just something that the higher ups live with.And there has been talent come through that he hasn’t done anything with!

[BADSANTA]

West Orange Stark has been a powerhouse since I csn remember. At some point, your bound to fall off to some degree. Alabama has 3 or 4 loses this season. Who would have thought? Has Orange lost kids to LCM or even Orangefield?

[1970]

On 11/22/2024 at 8:01 PM, wo-s#1 said:

Their defense is legit…offense is basically #0

Still, from what little I saw, it should have been a much closer game.  WOS was missing some fundamentals on defense, and a lack of imaginative play calling on offense.  Just my opinion as an objective observer on Texan Live, which was horrible btw, but that's another story. 

[Tiger33]

42 minutes ago, 1970 said:

Still, from what little I saw, it should have been a much closer game.  WOS was missing some fundamentals on defense, and a lack of imaginative play calling on offense.  Just my opinion as an objective observer on Texan Live, which was horrible btw, but that's another story. 

That defense was horrendous. Ive never imagine to see WOS pursuit angles to be that bad. Not physical and poor tackling.  

[XX Man]

10 hours ago, WOSdrummer99 said:

Well Mustang fans it's time for my annual end of season rant. I've had so much company up here on the soapbox that I may have to start charging rent. After 3 years I don't think anything needs to be said. We all know what's wrong. We all know why. So what's the decision at the next board meeting?

IMO, there's been enough imaginary success for the board to rubber stamp the Superintendent's vision for our future student athletes.

#make every second count

Due to soft scheduling and a weaker than normal district. The luck of knocking off 2 ranked opponents early when they were not healthy or still trying to figure it out. Also led to a premature ranking and a hollow DCTF weekly award. The 2 late season losses vs ranked teams proves what we know has been the biggest problem. 

Football 19-15 .559

Baseball 9-35 .205

Basketball 19-35 .352

GBB 11-29 .275

Softball 1-22 .043

Volleyball 0-38 .000

Overall 59-174 .253

 

For anyone living in the district, I ask that you contact you're elected board members publicly and privately. Don't let them think this is exceptable. Be the solution to the equation. Not the divisor. This starts at the top and falls heavily upon those walking the halls. They deserve better.

I've been to several School Board meeting complaining about Harris and his AD pick. BOTH of them need replaced. Harris has been told his contract will not be renewed but they allow him to continue as a Lame Duck Superintendent. The grades are pathetic and the coaching is pathetic. I urge each one of your to go to the School Board meetings and sound off. And VOTE FOR School Board members who support hiring a real Superintendent and Athletic Director. Harris and Hickman need to go right now. The School Board President  Linda Platt, needs voted OUT.

 

[WOSdrummer99]

1 hour ago, 1970 said:

Still, from what little I saw, it should have been a much closer game.  WOS was missing some fundamentals on defense, and a lack of imaginative play calling on offense.  Just my opinion as an objective observer on Texan Live, which was horrible btw, but that's another story. 

I appreciate your honesty 

[XX Man]

3 hours ago, AggiesAreWe said:

If you are talking football, then yes. But keep it in perspective. You had two Hall of Fame coaches prior to now. Most would expect a drop.

The fact is WO-S has been spoiled with having two HOF coaches over a 45 year period. Also a very experienced coaching staff over those years, That is something that many many schools dream of.

Welcome to the real world. lol

Yes, we had 2 exceptional ADs that put together a winning program and a winning coaching staff. When Hickman took over, he demoted or ran off all the experienced coaches and threw out the program that worked.

[WOSdrummer99]

21 minutes ago, Tiger33 said:

That defense was horrendous. Ive never imagine to see WOS pursuit angles to be that bad. Not physical and poor tackling.  

🕶 

[Tiger33]

10 minutes ago, XX Man said:

I've been to several School Board meeting complaining about Harris and his AD pick. BOTH of them need replaced. Harris has been told his contract will not be renewed but they allow him to continue as a Lame Duck Superintendent. The grades are pathetic and the coaching is pathetic. I urge each one of your to go to the School Board meetings and sound off. And VOTE FOR School Board members who support hiring a real Superintendent and Athletic Director. Harris and Hickman need to go right now. The School Board President  Linda Platt, needs voted OUT.

 

He should have kept Coach Pierce. 

[SmashMouth]

3 hours ago, WO-S 89 said:

Ok I agree with u on that but if T would have never left we would not be talking about talent is not there.  

But he did leave. Everyone, he did leave. Certainly many think the current HC on down needs a change. Maybe that’s true. You are not guaranteed another HOF coach once they’re gone. Sad but true. 

[WOSdrummer99]

4 minutes ago, SmashMouth said:

But he did leave. Everyone, he did leave. Certainly many think the current HC on down needs a change. Maybe that’s true. You are not guaranteed another HOF coach once they’re gone. Sad but true. 

If your Gmaw had been cooking something a certain way for so long. Then after Gma passes in comes the wife and changes the recipe. If everyone got sick would you keep eating? Or ask you're cousin to come cook next season? Even though he's across the state he still uses the same recipe.

"Well pilgrim?"

[SmashMouth]

42 minutes ago, WOSdrummer99 said:

If your Gmaw had been cooking something a certain way for so long. Then after Gma passes in comes the wife and changes the recipe. If everyone got sick would you keep eating? Or ask you're cousin to come cook next season? Even though he's across the state he still uses the same recipe.

"Well pilgrim?"

I’m not disputing any of that. I’m saying, you won’t necessarily find another coach that’s going to use the Hooks/Thompson recipe book. Right or wrong, that’s the way it is. Why doesn't the new coach at Alabama just do what Saban did? Down to the same offensive and defensive schemes… That’s just not the way it usually works. 

[WOSdrummer99]

1 hour ago, SmashMouth said:

I’m not disputing any of that. I’m saying, you won’t necessarily find another coach that’s going to use the Hooks/Thompson recipe book. Right or wrong, that’s the way it is. Why doesn't the new coach at Alabama just do what Saban did? Down to the same offensive and defensive schemes… That’s just not the way it usually works. 

We've acknowledged having 2 HOF coaches hasn't been like most other schools. So why everyone jumps to the conclusion it wouldn't work here is beyond my comprehension. I see it carry over with these other hires. Gilmer, Aledo, North Shore, Austin Westlake. Next man up that continues the system in place has instant success. Matter fact there was 2 rookie HC that won the state championship the same year we handed over the keys.

Same book. Same recipe. Better ingredients.

[SmashMouth]

1 hour ago, WOSdrummer99 said:

We've acknowledged having 2 HOF coaches hasn't been like most other schools. So why everyone jumps to the conclusion it wouldn't work here is beyond my comprehension. I see it carry over with these other hires. Gilmer, Aledo, North Shore, Austin Westlake. Next man up that continues the system in place has instant success. Matter fact there was 2 rookie HC that won the state championship the same year we handed over the keys.

Same book. Same recipe. Better ingredients.

Be that as it may, only time will tell. Hide and watch. Don’t be surprised if the next HC hire uses his own recipe. That happens more than not historically. I am not arguing the point that Hooks & CT had a winning combination that could’ve been carried over. I’m saying that finding someone to do that is not going to be as easy as one might think. Tell me again why Saban’s replacement, who even has Saban’s assistance if he wants it, just lost another game to an unranked team and has taken the Tide out of playoff contention? Why wouldn’t he just follow the success of possibly the greatest college football coach ever lived? 

[BBfan061]

12 hours ago, WO-S 89 said:

It’s funny for 44 years Hooks and Thompson never had a drop off in talent. 

It’s not that impossible… different sport but look at Kountze and their success for years in basketball… here a few years back they went through a tough 2-3 seasons because the talent just wasn’t there… still had a state championship level coach but just didn’t have the jimmys and joes to win.