After a ton of lies, Biden PARDONS his crackhead son Hunter!

[tvc184]

11 hours ago, Big girl said:

Do you think that Trump would have pardoned one of his kids?

Probably.

But I made no comment about Hunter getting away with felonies. I am sure that you missed that. 

I even brought up both Republican and Democrat presidents who made seemingly questionable pardons. I didn’t choose sides….. like you just did with the classic whataboutism. 

My only comments were toward the repeated and adamant claims that it would “never” happen.

Even funnier are virtually every Democrat whether a politician or a socialist news media talking head not defending the pardon but saying that he didn’t lie. A crawfish has nothing on these hypocrites. 

Answer your question, Trump probably would, but he did not make a national campaign out of not doing it. Also, I made no comment whatsoever criticizing Hunter getting off. I only commented on the lies that were perpetrated and even today defended.

Also note, Biden didn’t just pardon Hunter for the crimes he was charged with. He pardoned him back to January 2014 for unknown crimes that have yet to new discovered. Heck, why not go back to birth? 🤣

The Democrats love to set stupid precedents. Imagine if when Trump leaves office, he pardons every member of his extended family for any crimes that they may or may not have committed. 😎

[SmashMouth]

15 hours ago, Big girl said:

Do you think that Trump would have pardoned one of his kids?

I'm sure Trump would've pardoned one of his kids. I'm sure I would have too, depending upon the circumstances. I have a larger problem with Joe Biden and his admin saying literally dozens of times that he was not going to pardon Hunter and then turning around and flagrantly doing it. Acting as if there was a good reason (other than political) for saying he wouldn't and then did anyway. And here's the kicker, not only for current charges, but for anything that's discovered from 2014 to 2024. You can try and spin this any way you like. No example you come up with will compare with this. None.

[Reagan]

Curious why they are starting at 2014?  🤷‍♂️

[baddog]

42 minutes ago, Reagan said:

Curious why they are starting at 2014?  🤷‍♂️

I was thinking this may have something to do with it. Quid pro quo…..10% for the “big guy”……etc…

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[baddog]

Does anybody on this board, and I mean anybody, really think Biden is doing this? If you do, you are a bigger fool than I already thought you were…..

 

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[LumRaiderFan]

8 minutes ago, baddog said:

Does anybody on this board, and I mean anybody, really think Biden is doing this? If you do, you are a bigger fool than I already thought you were…..

 

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[baddog]

1 minute ago, LumRaiderFan said:

 

The link I posted…..”IS THE DEEP STATE AT WORK…NOT BIDEN”. I hope that cleared that up for the uneducated.

[thetragichippy]

Biden has ruined his legacy and he has no time left to fix it.  Kamala didn't help by covering up his dementia and running a horrible campaign. 

The absolute worst thing he could do would be to issue blanket pardons on Schiff, Liz Cheney, Jack Smith etc.......it would imply they are all guilty, practically confirming what Trump has been saying for 8 years. 

[baddog]

On 12/5/2024 at 3:39 PM, thetragichippy said:

Biden has ruined his legacy and he has no time left to fix it.  Kamala didn't help by covering up his dementia and running a horrible campaign. 

The absolute worst thing he could do would be to issue blanket pardons on Schiff, Liz Cheney, Jack Smith etc.......it would imply they are all guilty, practically confirming what Trump has been saying for 8 years. 

Agree. Funny, I always thought a pardon was for a conviction/sentence. How can Biden pardon people not yet convicted or even charged?

[Separation Scientist]

Laws and rules have NO meaning to the Democrats. Just like voiding the contractural student loans agreement people signed on and turing it into a massive givaway of other peoples money.  

[tvc184]

46 minutes ago, baddog said:

Agree. Funny, I always thought a pardon was for a conviction/sentence. How can Biden pardon people not yet convicted or even charged?

The Constitution and the Supreme Court decision in Ex Parte Garland.

Do you want the explanation, particularly in Ex Parte Garland? 

[baddog]

2 minutes ago, tvc184 said:

The Constitution and the Supreme Court decision in Ex Parte Garland.

Do you want the explanation, particularly in Ex Parte Garland? 

I don’t know. Can it be condensed for us laymen? Lol

[tvc184]

Just now, baddog said:

I don’t know. Can it be condensed for us laymen? Lol

If you trust me to say, in Ex Parte Garland the Supreme Court ruled that the authority to pardon by the president for a federal crime is almost unlimited.

 They specifically stated that this authority includes before an investigation, while a criminal charge is pending (such as an indictment) or after conviction. 

The limiting factor is that the president cannot pardon a crime that has not already occurred.

For example that the president said that you are pardoned for any crime committed between January 1, 2000 and today, 12-9-24, then you are not criminally responsible for any crimes, including those, not yet even discovered. If you commit a crime tomorrow on 12-10-24, the pardon has no effect.

So Biden cannot say, I pardon Hunter until the year 2035.

Any crime that he “may have committed” after January 1, 2014 and the day he was pardoned, he cannot be charged.

On an interesting note, I believe that Hunter Biden was named to the board of Burisma and the oil kickback scandal, with 10% for the big guy, not long after January 1, 2014.

I don’t think the date that the pardon started was chosen at random. 

[baddog]

15 minutes ago, tvc184 said:

If you trust me to say, in Ex Parte Garland the Supreme Court ruled that the authority to pardon by the president for a federal crime is almost unlimited.

 They specifically stated that this authority includes before an investigation, while a criminal charge is pending (such as an indictment) or after conviction. 

The limiting factor is that the president cannot pardon a crime that has not already occurred.

For example that the president said that you are pardoned for any crime committed between January 1, 2000 and today, 12-9-24, then you are not criminally responsible for any crimes, including those, not yet even discovered. If you commit a crime tomorrow on 12-10-24, the pardon has no effect.

So Biden cannot say, I pardon Hunter until the year 2035.

Any crime that he “may have committed” after January 1, 2014 and the day he was pardoned, he cannot be charged.

On an interesting note, I believe that Hunter Biden was named to the board of Burisma and the oil kickback scandal, with 10% for the big guy, not long after January 1, 2014.

I don’t think the date that the pardon started was chosen at random. 

Thanks. I know I can be difficult at times, especially with things I don’t quite understand. I do understand what you are saying, but I can’t understand how that blanket pardon can even exist. I mean, what if Hunter had killed one of his hooker/coke women that we don’t yet know about? Stretching it I know, but still…..

How about Trump gets Zelensky to sick that Burisma bulldog back on Hunter, have him arrested and tried in Ukraine, and sent to a Ukrainian prison? I could go for that.

The problem I have with Biden pardoning people like Shiff is that this tells me that Biden knows what Shiff did with the impeachments and collusion accusations was wrong and probably criminal. Guess I’ll have to live with it.

[tvc184]

2 hours ago, baddog said:

Thanks. I know I can be difficult at times, especially with things I don’t quite understand. I do understand what you are saying, but I can’t understand how that blanket pardon can even exist. I mean, what if Hunter had killed one of his hooker/coke women that we don’t yet know about? Stretching it I know, but still…..

How about Trump gets Zelensky to sick that Burisma bulldog back on Hunter, have him arrested and tried in Ukraine, and sent to a Ukrainian prison? I could go for that.

The problem I have with Biden pardoning people like Shiff is that this tells me that Biden knows what Shiff did with the impeachments and collusion accusations was wrong and probably criminal. Guess I’ll have to live with it.

The only jurisdiction that the president has over a city is in Washington DC. If a murder happened outside of that city, the president has no jurisdiction or authority to pardon because he has no authority over state law.

 By the same reasoning (even more so) a presidential pardon has no bearing outside of the US. An extradition request from another country could be denied though, I believe by a federal court on appeal. Like we have a treaty to extradite with Mexico however they will not send someone to this country if the person is facing the death penalty. That is because Mexico does not have the death penalty and will not send a person to another country to be executed.

[tvc184]

2 hours ago, baddog said:

Thanks. I know I can be difficult at times, especially with things I don’t quite understand. I do understand what you are saying, but I can’t understand how that blanket pardon can even exist. I mean, what if Hunter had killed one of his hooker/coke women that we don’t yet know about? Stretching it I know, but still…..

How about Trump gets Zelensky to sick that Burisma bulldog back on Hunter, have him arrested and tried in Ukraine, and sent to a Ukrainian prison? I could go for that.

The problem I have with Biden pardoning people like Shiff is that this tells me that Biden knows what Shiff did with the impeachments and collusion accusations was wrong and probably criminal. Guess I’ll have to live with it.

This is what the Constitution says about presidential pardons in Article II.

”…, and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment”. 

That’s it. The only restriction is that he cannot pardon in an impeachment. that would come down to the separation of powers. When the Constitution says that House has the authority to impeach and the Senate has the authority to convict and remove, that’s the end of thediscussion. The president cannot overturn an impeachment and removal from office.

 That was affirmed by the Supreme Court in Ex Parte Garland with the only exception being future crimes. 

[thetragichippy]

15 hours ago, tvc184 said:

I don’t think the date that the pardon started was chosen at random. 

Totally agree. Hunter was up to no good. 

Personally - on another note, if Biden blanket pardons Schiff, Pelosi and Cheney, and others, I think that will give R's huge talking points to portray them as guilty.....