Open/closed enrollment, transfers, recruiting….Help me UNDERSTAND?

[PNG4LIFE91]

Ok, I just DO NOT understand how all this works with open enrollment schools and transfer procedures/regulations for students participating in UIL Sports??  I’ve read through discussions on a few of the playoff game chats and there’s been a lot of talk PRAISING various Coaches for being good “recruiters” and using “the portal” to acquire some of the ATHLETES transferring from other schools??  Anyway, it just took me off guard because it wasn’t the typical…fans spreading rumors or making accusations chatter….came across as if it’s all totally LEGIT and PERMITTED just like  College Football!!  So, I’m REALLY confused because I didn’t think that stuff was allowed in High School…open enrollment or NOT??

[AggiesAreWe]

1 hour ago, PNG4LIFE91 said:

Ok, I just DO NOT understand how all this works with open enrollment schools and transfer procedures/regulations for students participating in UIL Sports??  I’ve read through discussions on a few of the playoff game chats and there’s been a lot of talk PRAISING various Coaches for being good “recruiters” and using “the portal” to acquire some of the ATHLETES transferring from other schools??  Anyway, it just took me off guard because it wasn’t the typical…fans spreading rumors or making accusations chatter….came across as if it’s all totally LEGIT and PERMITTED just like  College Football!!  So, I’m REALLY confused because I didn’t think that stuff was allowed in High School…open enrollment or NOT??

Transferring for athletic purposes is not allowed. Have to sit a year if ruled ineligible by DEC.

[WOSdrummer99]

Always other ways around that. Like hiring the kids parent to be a soccer coach

[DukeS]

I take it that the ISDs are responsible for determining whether the move was due to athletic purposes or for other valid reasons?

[AggiesAreWe]

5 minutes ago, DukeS said:

I take it that the ISDs are responsible for determining whether the move was due to athletic purposes or for other valid reasons?

DEC (District Executive Committee) rules on eligibility. PAPF from the school being transferred from helps determine also. 

[Tiger33]

I got some land in Silsbee with mail boxes hit me up, and Hit the transfer portal

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

45 minutes ago, Tiger33 said:

I got some land in Silsbee with mail boxes hit me up, and Hit the transfer portal

Yeah um: those mailboxes have been confiscated 😎

[Tiger33]

7 minutes ago, Mr. Buddy Garrity said:

Yeah um: those mailboxes have been confiscated 😎

I got land in buna boudin balls too. If yall pay some money i can hook anyone up because i dont think they are open enrollment. I got about 600 ft of roadway frontage in silsbee looking for players only no bench warmers 

[Coach_Izzy]

7 hours ago, PNG4LIFE91 said:

Ok, I just DO NOT understand how all this works with open enrollment schools and transfer procedures/regulations for students participating in UIL Sports??  I’ve read through discussions on a few of the playoff game chats and there’s been a lot of talk PRAISING various Coaches for being good “recruiters” and using “the portal” to acquire some of the ATHLETES transferring from other schools??  Anyway, it just took me off guard because it wasn’t the typical…fans spreading rumors or making accusations chatter….came across as if it’s all totally LEGIT and PERMITTED just like  College Football!!  So, I’m REALLY confused because I didn’t think that stuff was allowed in High School…open enrollment or NOT??

Well it’s quite simple…coaches who know what they’re doing know they need TALENT to win at a high level consistently & will go about acquiring that talent at all cost. This is why as a coach choosing a school/district who prioritizes athletics is extremely important. Stay away from districts who don’t have open enrollment & ones that continue to build a bunch of schools. 
 

If a school has open enrollment…kids can attend no matter where they live, this isn’t recruiting at all, it’s simply called using open enrollment to your advantage. That’s why you see schools like NS, Desoto, DV, SOC etc being able to acquire a mass amount of talent year in & year out. 

[marshman]

Carthage has to be pulling in kids from all around them. There’s not that much in Carthage to do in the form of employment. 

[Tiger33]

4 minutes ago, marshman said:

Carthage has to be pulling in kids from all around them. There’s not that much in Carthage to do in the form of employment. 

Shreveport 😉

[Reagan]

54 minutes ago, marshman said:

Carthage has to be pulling in kids from all around them. There’s not that much in Carthage to do in the form of employment. 

It's called having the right coach!

[WOSdrummer99]

4 hours ago, Coach_Izzy said:

That’s why you see schools like NS, Desoto, DV, SOC etc being able to acquire a mass amount of talent year in & year out. 

Louisiana solved that problem. Open districts go to a different playoff bracket. Let them compete against others that aren't homegrown talent. It may be complicated but that's above my pay grade. I only know how to read a map and divide divisions evenly. Something the UIL obviously struggles with.

Reminds me of a story I saw once. Before computers every MLB team schedule was determined by a husband and wife in NY. Just 2 people using common sense and process of elimination to schedule over 4000 games per season.

[CS.]

3 hours ago, WOSdrummer99 said:

Louisiana solved that problem. Open districts go to a different playoff bracket. Let them compete against others that aren't homegrown talent. It may be complicated but that's above my pay grade. I only know how to read a map and divide divisions evenly. Something the UIL obviously struggles with.

Reminds me of a story I saw once. Before computers every MLB team schedule was determined by a husband and wife in NY. Just 2 people using common sense and process of elimination to schedule over 4000 games per season.

This is the correct answer.  Recruiting using the excuse of open enrollment is creating an unfair advantage for certain schools, specifically those listed above.  It's cheating without cheating because they're skirting the rules.  They know it.  The UIL should absolutely step in and create an open enrollment division or force each to play up to 6A.  

Ultimately, these schools are robbing closed enrollment schools of potential trips to Rounds in the playoffs they may never see otherwise. 

Not to mention the schools that lose out on talent that they could use.  An example other than SOC is this... 

The QB for Argyle was recruited from Lake Dallas.  Lake Dallas had a very good team last year and that QB would have made a huge difference for them.  Forward to this year, Lake Dallas moves down to 4A-D1 and end up going 5-5.  He would have made a huge difference to them the last two years but instead he went to Argyle "for education?"  - Sure.  

Good for the kid I guess.  He went to the Semis in 5A and got slammed by SOC who has an unreal amount of students on their roster who weren't there last year.  

Imagine if LCM or BC recruited the guys out of WOS and went to State. 

[aki1994]

Nobody is going to a DISD school for an education. Definitely not SOC. I think it is simple. You have open enrollment you play up a division. I also think there should be some academic standard that has to be met in order to have open enrollment. 

[OlDawg]

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[AggiesAreWe]

Contrary to what is being posted on here about "open" enrollment schools, those schools still have to abide by UIL policies when it comes to participation in UIL athletics. A student still has to establish residency in that school district and the PAPF from the school he/she transferred from has to be clean (i.e. box checked for not transferring for athletic purposes).

Open enrollment allows students to transfer in to attend, but it doesn't allow for students to transfer in for athletics. That's governed by the UIL. The DEC still has to approve those transfers to play varsity athletics.

[CS.]

2 minutes ago, AggiesAreWe said:

Contrary to what is being posted on here about "open" enrollment schools, those schools still have to abide by UIL policies when it comes to participation in UIL athletics. A student still has to establish residency in that school district and the PAPF from the school he/she transferred from has to be clean (i.e. box checked for not transferring for athletic purposes).

Open enrollment allows students to transfer in to attend, but it doesn't allow for students to transfer in for athletics. That's governed by the UIL. The DEC still has to approve those transfers to play varsity athletics.

You're missing the point.  Look at SOC for example and their roster this year compared to last.  You really think they all transferred to SOC for educational purposes?  You think they moved there?  The answer is no. 

And the example I have about the Argyle QB - that is first hand knowledge.  I have a close personal friend who knows everyone up there personally.  He literally went to Argyle for Football.  

If you don't think money is changing hands in these deals you are simply naive.

[Right99JOH]

Football IS king in Texas... period.  Those schools mentioned above know what draws in the most money and a blind eye is turned when it comes to kids transferring.

[AggiesAreWe]

17 minutes ago, CS. said:

You're missing the point.  Look at SOC for example and their roster this year compared to last.  You really think they all transferred to SOC for educational purposes?  You think they moved there?  The answer is no. 

And the example I have about the Argyle QB - that is first hand knowledge.  I have a close personal friend who knows everyone up there personally.  He literally went to Argyle for Football.  

If you don't think money is changing hands in these deals you are simply naive.

I'm not saying there's not any "under the table" deals going on and some "I'll scratch your back if you scratch mine" when it comes to the DEC rulings. I am just stating the fact of how open enrollment schools work when it comes to UIL participation. Some are saying that all that's necessary is for a student to enroll in an open enrollment school. That is not accurate. They still have to be declared eligible by the DEC under UIL policies.

I know some of the DEC's in the Dallas Metroplex have been very laxed when it comes to these decisions. Nobody wants to rule a kid ineligible because they don't want one of theirs to be ruled ineligible. The "scratch my back" gig.

But UIL just came out with new policies that will help curb some of this "outlaw" transfer activities. It will not solve it completely but should help bring it down some.

[CS.]

AS mentioned before, the solution is very simple.  If you have open enrollment, you will need to move up a classification.  OR, they can create an entire division of Open enrollment schools to play.  let them "recruit" against each other and they can do whatever they want and stay out of the way of Schools who continue to keep things closed and fair.

[Tiger33]

3 minutes ago, CS. said:

AS mentioned before, the solution is very simple.  If you have open enrollment, you will need to move up a classification.  OR, they can create an entire division of Open enrollment schools to play.  let them "recruit" against each other and they can do whatever they want and stay out of the way of Schools who continue to keep things closed and fair.

I agree with you. 

[89Falcon]

3 minutes ago, CS. said:

AS mentioned before, the solution is very simple.  If you have open enrollment, you will need to move up a classification.  OR, they can create an entire division of Open enrollment schools to play.  let them "recruit" against each other and they can do whatever they want and stay out of the way of Schools who continue to keep things closed and fair.

A more “simple” solution is to make open enrollment “state law”.

[SmashMouth]

3 hours ago, CS. said:

Ultimately, these schools are robbing closed enrollment schools of potential trips to Rounds in the playoffs they may never see otherwise. 

Can those closed enrollment schools change to open enrollment schools?

[SmashMouth]

1 hour ago, AggiesAreWe said:

Contrary to what is being posted on here about "open" enrollment schools, those schools still have to abide by UIL policies when it comes to participation in UIL athletics. A student still has to establish residency in that school district and the PAPF from the school he/she transferred from has to be clean (i.e. box checked for not transferring for athletic purposes).

Open enrollment allows students to transfer in to attend, but it doesn't allow for students to transfer in for athletics. That's governed by the UIL. The DEC still has to approve those transfers to play varsity athletics.

For those who don't speak UIL, PAPF = Previous Athletic Participation Form, I believe.