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Open/closed enrollment, transfers, recruiting….Help me UNDERSTAND?

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WOSdrummer99
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Louisiana solved that problem. Open districts go to a different playoff bracket. Let them compete against others that aren't homegrown talent. It may be complicated but that's above my pay grade. I on

oldschool2
oldschool2

Fine.. just make every single transfer sit a year for varsity competition.  Regardless of the reason.   That should show who's actually changing schools for academic reasons. 

CS.
CS.

I actually provided facts to back my statements but you didn't want to hear them.  You are tone deaf.  No one will convince you otherwise that your opinion is just biased based on personal feelings an

SmashMouth

SmashMouth

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  On 12/16/2024 at 3:48 PM, Tiger33 said:

Lumberton would never vote for open enrollment 

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I agree with you on that opinion. And for the record, I am for Lumberton having a closed enrollment. Too many possible negatives that don't outweigh the positives. Mostly, higher taxes which I don't want to pay... 🤑

SmashMouth

SmashMouth

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  On 12/16/2024 at 4:32 PM, Tiger33 said:

Not me, i dont live in Lumberton anymore. Lol

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I know. I didn't mean you, specifically. I meant that a district has a choice. Choose to be open or not.

Personally, I'm not moving to put my kid in a worse school district (academically, financially, etc.) or having to drive him across town to another city for the sake of his athletic career unless he's a bona fide blue chip prospect. Most kids aren't. Mine was good and played in college, but he wasn't headed to a power school for sure. Instead, he got a quality education in Lumberton, I didn't have to sell my house and move, he got to experience college ball and help win a National Championship for a D3 school, UMHB in Belton, TX. Mission accomplished.

Tiger33

Tiger33

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  On 12/16/2024 at 4:47 PM, SmashMouth said:

I know. I didn't mean you, specifically. I meant that a district has a choice. Choose to be open or not.

Personally, I'm not moving to put my kid in a worse school district (academically, financially, etc.) or having to drive him across town to another city for the sake of his athletic career unless he's a bona fide blue chip prospect. Most kids aren't. Mine was good and played in college, but he wasn't headed to a power school for sure. Instead, he got a quality education in Lumberton, I didn't have to sell my house and move, he got to experience college ball and help win a National Championship for a D3 school, UMHB in Belton, TX. Mission accomplished.

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Silsbee has a good education. But if you’re talking about some other schools I wouldn't do it either for a stacked team.  I actually have one child that attends Lumberton ISD. 

Coach_Izzy

Coach_Izzy

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  On 12/16/2024 at 3:11 PM, AggiesAreWe said:

I'm not saying there's not any "under the table" deals going on and some "I'll scratch your back if you scratch mine" when it comes to the DEC rulings. I am just stating the fact of how open enrollment schools work when it comes to UIL participation. Some are saying that all that's necessary is for a student to enroll in an open enrollment school. That is not accurate. They still have to be declared eligible by the DEC under UIL policies.

I know some of the DEC's in the Dallas Metroplex have been very laxed when it comes to these decisions. Nobody wants to rule a kid ineligible because they don't want one of theirs to be ruled ineligible. The "scratch my back" gig.

But UIL just came out with new policies that will help curb some of this "outlaw" transfer activities. It will not solve it completely but should help bring it down some.

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What are the new rules?

Coach_Izzy

Coach_Izzy

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  On 12/16/2024 at 4:47 PM, SmashMouth said:

I know. I didn't mean you, specifically. I meant that a district has a choice. Choose to be open or not.

Personally, I'm not moving to put my kid in a worse school district (academically, financially, etc.) or having to drive him across town to another city for the sake of his athletic career unless he's a bona fide blue chip prospect. Most kids aren't. Mine was good and played in college, but he wasn't headed to a power school for sure. Instead, he got a quality education in Lumberton, I didn't have to sell my house and move, he got to experience college ball and help win a National Championship for a D3 school, UMHB in Belton, TX. Mission accomplished.

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Difference between your son and the kids who are at the likes of DV, NS, SOC etc...they are bonafide bluechips. And parents will do what's necessary to ensure their kid has the best chance to be successful in athletics. Nothing wrong with a parent doing what's best for their child. For those complaining about open enrollment, that just means the higher ups at the school you root for could care less about athletics or they could easily make the district an open enrollment district like the others. Simple simple solution...

Coach_Izzy

Coach_Izzy

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  On 12/16/2024 at 2:38 PM, AggiesAreWe said:

Contrary to what is being posted on here about "open" enrollment schools, those schools still have to abide by UIL policies when it comes to participation in UIL athletics. A student still has to establish residency in that school district and the PAPF from the school he/she transferred from has to be clean (i.e. box checked for not transferring for athletic purposes).

Open enrollment allows students to transfer in to attend, but it doesn't allow for students to transfer in for athletics. That's governed by the UIL. The DEC still has to approve those transfers to play varsity athletics.

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This isn't true...

oldschool2

oldschool2

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  On 12/16/2024 at 3:11 PM, AggiesAreWe said:

I'm not saying there's not any "under the table" deals going on and some "I'll scratch your back if you scratch mine" when it comes to the DEC rulings. I am just stating the fact of how open enrollment schools work when it comes to UIL participation. Some are saying that all that's necessary is for a student to enroll in an open enrollment school. That is not accurate. They still have to be declared eligible by the DEC under UIL policies.

I know some of the DEC's in the Dallas Metroplex have been very laxed when it comes to these decisions. Nobody wants to rule a kid ineligible because they don't want one of theirs to be ruled ineligible. The "scratch my back" gig.

But UIL just came out with new policies that will help curb some of this "outlaw" transfer activities. It will not solve it completely but should help bring it down some.

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Also, it's difficult to govern in bigger cities (like the Metroplex) due to apartment complexes.  Kids can literally change their permanent address easily and often.  It's difficult to determine if they've moved for athletic purposes instead of their family relocating for whatever reason.  Unless it's actually said.. which is unlikely. 

And becoming a student that live within the school district makes it less of a red flag.

SmashMouth

SmashMouth

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  On 12/16/2024 at 5:39 PM, Coach_Izzy said:

Difference between your son and the kids who are at the likes of DV, NS, SOC etc...they are bonafide bluechips. And parents will do what's necessary to ensure their kid has the best chance to be successful in athletics. Nothing wrong with a parent doing what's best for their child. For those complaining about open enrollment, that just means the higher ups at the school you root for could care less about athletics or they could easily make the district an open enrollment district like the others. Simple simple solution...

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Exactly my sentiment. The only place we may differ on the open enrollment issue is that, in my opinion, public schools exist first and foremost for education and not extra-curriculars. But I can't argue with each parent doing what's best for their child. 

aki1994

aki1994

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  On 12/16/2024 at 5:39 PM, Coach_Izzy said:

Difference between your son and the kids who are at the likes of DV, NS, SOC etc...they are bonafide bluechips. And parents will do what's necessary to ensure their kid has the best chance to be successful in athletics. Nothing wrong with a parent doing what's best for their child. For those complaining about open enrollment, that just means the higher ups at the school you root for could care less about athletics or they could easily make the district an open enrollment district like the others. Simple simple solution...

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Since when did getting an education become about how good a football team you can field? Most schools are not going to sacrifice education to land some blue chips. DISD doesn't care about educating kid. Just an image. 

Reagan

Reagan

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  On 12/16/2024 at 5:45 PM, Coach_Izzy said:

This isn't true...

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"A student still has to establish residency in that school district"

This kind of had me curious also.  Unless I'm not totally understanding this "open enrollment" situation, if a student has residency in a district this student is automatically part of that district and no need for any "open enrollment" program.  

SmashMouth

SmashMouth

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  On 12/16/2024 at 6:33 PM, Reagan said:

"A student still has to establish residency in that school district"

This kind of had me curious also.  Unless I'm not totally understanding this "open enrollment" situation, if a student has residency in a district this student is automatically part of that district and no need for any "open enrollment" program.  

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It's way more convoluted than that though if you're seeking to compete in UIL activities.

Coach_Izzy

Coach_Izzy

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  On 12/16/2024 at 6:25 PM, aki1994 said:

Since when did getting an education become about how good a football team you can field? Most schools are not going to sacrifice education to land some blue chips. DISD doesn't care about educating kid. Just an image. 

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A totally different culture that you probably don't understand...some kids only way out is athletics not education my brother. So parents are going to increase their kids chances by putting them in the best position to succeed athletically. 

Coach_Izzy

Coach_Izzy

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  On 12/16/2024 at 6:33 PM, Reagan said:

"A student still has to establish residency in that school district"

This kind of had me curious also.  Unless I'm not totally understanding this "open enrollment" situation, if a student has residency in a district this student is automatically part of that district and no need for any "open enrollment" program.  

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A kid don't have to establish residency in an open enrollment school district...if the kid doesn't live in the district, they simply are ineligible for varsity athletics for a calendar year. 

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