Open/closed enrollment, transfers, recruiting….Help me UNDERSTAND?

[CS.]

11 minutes ago, Coach_Izzy said:

Who are you to tell a parent what’s best for their kid? 🤣 Sound like you’re butt hurt SOC kicked PNG ass lol 

At what point did I tell a parent what is best for their kid?  I mean, I'm a parent myself but I don't see where I said anything of the sort.  Your response tells me you're losing a debate because you're feelings are more important than facts so you're going to resort to throwing out insults.  Butt hurt?  No.  I do care about people no matter where they are from.  I'd be on here stating my same opinion if this happened to ANY school because PNG isn't the only team to run into this problem.  As I recall, PNG still took care of business last year regardless and came close in '22 as well. You seem to have a hard time separating facts from feelings.  It happens.  

[Coach_Izzy]

21 minutes ago, CS. said:

At what point did I tell a parent what is best for their kid?  I mean, I'm a parent myself but I don't see where I said anything of the sort.  Your response tells me you're losing a debate because you're feelings are more important than facts so you're going to resort to throwing out insults.  Butt hurt?  No.  I do care about people no matter where they are from.  I'd be on here stating my same opinion if this happened to ANY school because PNG isn't the only team to run into this problem.  As I recall, PNG still took care of business last year regardless and came close in '22 as well. You seem to have a hard time separating facts from feelings.  It happens.  

You ain’t mentioned not one fact, you’re claiming SOC is cheating & recruiting with no facts to support it. Every kid that plays for SOC has been cleared by the respective committee to participate. You said parents aren’t moving their kids to SOC/DISD for educational purposes another opinion lol let that hurt go tell PNG to open up their enrollment if not keep dealing with losing to the inner city schools with open enrollment. 

[oldschool2]

There are a lot of assumptions made here that just because a student transfers schools, they were recruited.  Maybe it was a personal choice for the kid or their parents.. 

If I had a kid that was a stud (insert sport) why wouldn't I look into potentially relocating to a district where their talents could be better showcased?  Or get access to more team success.  If I had a kid that wasn't receiving the education I thought they should be getting, I could move them to wherever I want.. Using whatever means I have access to.  If that meant commuting to work or buying a house somewhere else.. try to stop me.  Nothing has to be justified here.. by anyone.  Other than establishing that said student/athlete did not move for athletic purposes according the the PAPF.  "Homegrown" kids was prevalent when schools, school facilities, and school programs offered were on a more even playing field.  Those days are done.  Money has 100% extremely progressed some schools and left others in the dust.

The state can't stop kids from changing schools.  The state can't stop parents from taking jobs in a different city than their current address.  The state can't stop grown adults from establishing residency somewhere other than where they currently live.  Any of the aforementioned can happen for whatever reason the affected parties decide.  

[aki1994]

1 hour ago, Coach_Izzy said:

You’re so misinformed 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

And my point still remains you have no clue what these kids are doing once they leave SOC or any of these other schools.

North Shore - 577 in the state out of 1,555

SOC - 1,258 out of 1,555. 

You know which schools are worse than SOC? Border schools where most of the kids are still learning English. 

You don't have a point. Just an agenda. 

[Coach_Izzy]

33 minutes ago, oldschool2 said:

There are a lot of assumptions made here that just because a student transfers schools, they were recruited.  Maybe it was a personal choice for the kid or their parents.. 

If I had a kid that was a stud (insert sport) why wouldn't I look into potentially relocating to a district where their talents could be better showcased?  Or get access to more team success.  If I had a kid that wasn't receiving the education I thought they should be getting, I could move them to wherever I want.. Using whatever means I have access to.  If that meant commuting to work or buying a house somewhere else.. try to stop me.  Nothing has to be justified here.. by anyone.  Other than establishing that said student/athlete did not move for athletic purposes according the the PAPF.  "Homegrown" kids was prevalent when schools, school facilities, and school programs offered were on a more even playing field.  Those days are done.  Money has 100% extremely progressed some schools and left others in the dust.

The state can't stop kids from changing schools.  The state can't stop parents from taking jobs in a different city than their current address.  The state can't stop grown adults from establishing residency somewhere other than where they currently live.  Any of the aforementioned can happen for whatever reason the affected parties decide.  

Bingo…they really don’t understand how this stuff works at all.

[SmashMouth]

Errybody stupid

[AggiesAreWe]

Under UIL policy, in order to participate in UIL activities, one has to establish residency within the school district one is attending or one will be ineligible for a calendar year. Also, the DEC can rule ineligible if moved for athletic purposes. This is regardless of open or closed enrollment schools.

Some are talking about moving for better opportunities. It's hard to validate that move when one moves from a school that has an A rating from TEA to a school with a D or F rating. 

Unless the parents moved for work or it was a negative family situation, those kind of moves are obviously for athletic purposes and the student should be rules ineligible.

These new policies and regulations that UIL has just come out with will crack down on some of this mass transfer situation. (i.e. Duncanville girls basketball). It won't stop it completely, but having 10-15 transfers per year will cause major red flags to the UIL and they will step in DEC meetings. 

Pretty sure starting next year the "brother in law" DEC meetings will cease because a UIL official will be in those meetings per the new regs.

[Coach_Izzy]

1 minute ago, aki1994 said:

North Shore - 577 in the state out of 1,555

SOC - 1,258 out of 1,555. 

You know which schools are worse than SOC? Border schools where most of the kids are still learning English. 

You don't have a point. Just an agenda. 

What does this mean exactly? Lmaooo

[AggiesAreWe]

1 minute ago, Coach_Izzy said:

What does this mean exactly? Lmaooo

Talking about TEA accountability ratings.

SOC is one of the worst schools in the entire state when it comes to those ratings.

North Shore is much better than SOC.

[Coach_Izzy]

1 minute ago, AggiesAreWe said:

Under UIL policy, in order to participate in UIL activities, one has to establish residency within the school district one is attending or one will be ineligible for a calendar year. Also, the DEC can rule ineligible if moved for athletic purposes. This is regardless of open or closed enrollment schools.

Some are talking about moving for better opportunities. It's hard to validate that move when one moves from a school that has an A rating from TEA to a school with a D or F rating. 

Unless the parents moved for work or it was a negative family situation, those kind of moves are obviously for athletic purposes and the student should be rules ineligible.

These new policies and regulations that UIL has just come out with will crack down on some of this mass transfer situation. (i.e. Duncanville girls basketball). It won't stop it completely, but having 10-15 transfers per year will cause major red flags to the UIL and they will step in DEC meetings. 

Pretty sure starting next year the "brother in law" DEC meetings will cease because a UIL official will be in those meetings per the new regs.

Not at all…kids will just come to these programs earlier. As freshman or go to the middle school feeders! Won’t stop anything at all

[AggiesAreWe]

Just now, Coach_Izzy said:

Not at all…kids will just come to these programs earlier. As freshman or go to the middle school feeders! Won’t stop anything at all

According to UIL, they will monitor middle school as well.

Residency must be established at sometime. Doesn't matter if it's open enrollment.

[Coach_Izzy]

Just now, AggiesAreWe said:

Talking about TEA accountability ratings.

SOC is one of the worst schools in the entire state when it comes to those ratings.

North Shore is much better than SOC.

NS athletes are dealing with the same dynamics as the ones at SOC…and to say kids won’t do anything after football because they come from SOC is just stupid 

[CS.]

45 minutes ago, Coach_Izzy said:

You ain’t mentioned not one fact, you’re claiming SOC is cheating & recruiting with no facts to support it. Every kid that plays for SOC has been cleared by the respective committee to participate. You said parents aren’t moving their kids to SOC/DISD for educational purposes another opinion lol let that hurt go tell PNG to open up their enrollment if not keep dealing with losing to the inner city schools with open enrollment. 

If you really want to see for yourself, go look at the roster for SOC last year, and then look at this year.  Look at the kids and where they went to Middle School or Freshman year and then where they suddenly end up there Junior or Senior year.  

You cannot for one second believe anyone would ever transfer to SOC for educational purposes- as stated a few times, it is literally ranked at the bottom of Texas schools for education.  Transferring for athletic purposes is not permitted.  It's not hard to understand but somehow you're making it extremely difficult.

[AggiesAreWe]

Just now, Coach_Izzy said:

NS athletes are dealing with the same dynamics as the ones at SOC…and to say kids won’t do anything after football because they come from SOC is just stupid 

I agree with that last statement.

But NS and SOC are not the same. TEA ratings prove it.

[Coach_Izzy]

1 minute ago, AggiesAreWe said:

According to UIL, they will monitor middle school as well.

Residency must be established at sometime. Doesn't matter if it's open enrollment.

And if it isn’t the kid just will just be ineligible for varsity athletics for a year correct? 

Meaning that they will simply play sub varsity  as a freshman & will be eligible the following year. 

[AggiesAreWe]

Just now, Coach_Izzy said:

And if it isn’t the kid just will just be ineligible for varsity athletics for a year correct? 

Meaning that they will simply play sub varsity  as a freshman & will be eligible the following year. 

Not exactly. If residency is never established, the DEC can still rule ineligible. Those are some of the new policies.

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

Seems like these type of threads happen yearly as of late, since after 2020 anyway. Interesting enough I was doing some digging and came across another one like it currently going on another site, I see a common denominator in both. 

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I'll continue reading through these and make mental notes. 

[navydawg31]

1 minute ago, AggiesAreWe said:

Not exactly. If residency is never established, the DEC can still rule ineligible. Those are some of the new policies.

That stinks if so… a kid wants to transfer to a new school, does his time and sits out of a varsity season for 1 calendar year he should be eligible to play…

[Coach_Izzy]

5 minutes ago, CS. said:

If you really want to see for yourself, go look at the roster for SOC last year, and then look at this year.  Look at the kids and where they went to Middle School or Freshman year and then where they suddenly end up there Junior or Senior year.  

You cannot for one second believe anyone would ever transfer to SOC for educational purposes- as stated a few times, it is literally ranked at the bottom of Texas schools for education.  Transferring for athletic purposes is not permitted.  It's not hard to understand but somehow you're making it extremely difficult.

My point is you DON’T KNOW why these kids transferred in & you have no clue if they were “recruited” you’re simply assuming. There are kids that transfer in and out of schools like SOC athletes & non-athletes. That don’t mean they were recruited to the school. Also you have no clue what challenges a family is facing to make them move from one school to SOC, Desoto, DV etc. 

The Farrakhan kid moved from Grand Oaks to the Woodlands to NS…do you know the real why he left those schools? Or you just going to assume NS recruited him? Lol

[Goslin]

14 minutes ago, Coach_Izzy said:

And if it isn’t the kid just will just be ineligible for varsity athletics for a year correct? 

Meaning that they will simply play sub varsity  as a freshman & will be eligible the following year. 

UIL changed that too.  Ineligible for ALL UIL participation/activities for 1 calendar year.  No Summer Strength@Conditioning, no Frosh Ball, no other sports, nothing but the regular old PE Class for 1 calendar year and that’s 8th grade transfers on up.  Starts Aug 1 2025 so still business as usual with transfers until then but after that it’s gonna get harder

[CS.]

10 minutes ago, Coach_Izzy said:

My point is you DON’T KNOW why these kids transferred in & you have no clue if they were “recruited” you’re simply assuming. There are kids that transfer in and out of schools like SOC athletes & non-athletes. That don’t mean they were recruited to the school. Also you have no clue what challenges a family is facing to make them move from one school to SOC, Desoto, DV etc. 

The Farrakhan kid moved from Grand Oaks to the Woodlands to NS…do you know the real why he left those schools? Or you just going to assume NS recruited him? Lol

You're doing the assuming.  I do know some.  Specifically the Quarterback at Argyle.  He left Lake Dallas to become the Starter at Argyle.  That isn't speculation.  and once again.  

I DO NOT CARE why they are doing it.  I really don't.  GOOD FOR THEM.  They still need to move those schools who are benefiting to a higher classification. Otherwise they are gaining an unfair advantage on the field.  That is a statement of fact.  Transfer all you want to better your situation.  Go for it.  Don't do it at the expense of hard working teams all over the state who get pushed out by an SOC, or whatever because you stacked your team. but if you're honest about MOST situations, it isn't hard to figure out why they are moving.  Perhaps those SOC coaches should have kept their mouths shut in the elevator at AT&T last year?  

And that's just one example.  I know of many first hand accounts because of some connections in Dallas.  They boast about what they're doing.  

[CS.]

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But it's just that I don't understand.  It's a me problem, right? 

[Coach_Izzy]

22 minutes ago, CS. said:

You're doing the assuming.  I do know some.  Specifically the Quarterback at Argyle.  He left Lake Dallas to become the Starter at Argyle.  That isn't speculation.  and once again.  

I DO NOT CARE why they are doing it.  I really don't.  GOOD FOR THEM.  They still need to move those schools who are benefiting to a higher classification. Otherwise they are gaining an unfair advantage on the field.  That is a statement of fact.  Transfer all you want to better your situation.  Go for it.  Don't do it at the expense of hard working teams all over the state who get pushed out by an SOC, or whatever because you stacked your team. but if you're honest about MOST situations, it isn't hard to figure out why they are moving.  Perhaps those SOC coaches should have kept their mouths shut in the elevator at AT&T last year?  

And that's just one example.  I know of many first hand accounts because of some connections in Dallas.  They boast about what they're doing.  

What this gotta do with what’s going on at SOC? Lol where are your facts that SOC is recruiting I’ll wait… 

[SmashMouth]

Just now, Coach_Izzy said:

What this gotta do with what’s going on at SOC? Lol where are your facts that SOC is recruiting I’ll wait… 

In your opinion, and you have knowledge, what schools are possibly recruiting? Just your opinion...which ones?

[bullets13]

16 hours ago, 89Falcon said:

Teneha is closer and Timpson is the same distance as Joaquin. 

yeah, lots of good teams in the area.  although Tenaha has been pretty bipolar that last 7-8 years, and Timpson wasn't anything until they became the fighting Busseys.  Kinda surprised he didn't end up at carthage, tbh.