Open/closed enrollment, transfers, recruiting….Help me UNDERSTAND?

[Coach_Izzy]

36 minutes ago, SmashMouth said:

In your opinion, and you have knowledge, what schools are possibly recruiting? Just your opinion...which ones?

I’ve never once accused any schools of recruiting…I know first hand that schools who have a ton of success in recent years don’t have to recruit! Kids are fickle & will flock to these programs because they want to win, get exposure at the highest level & get recruited at the highest level. There’s only a hand full of programs that are doing this consistently so it’s no secret why they have the most talent…this ain’t rocket science.

NS had major flaws on both sides of the ball this year…if they were out recruiting you think they wouldn’t have brought in players to fill those voids? 

[SmashMouth]

5 minutes ago, Coach_Izzy said:

I’ve never once accused any schools of recruiting…I know first hand that schools who have a ton of success in recent years don’t have to recruit! Kids are fickle & will flock to these programs because they want to win, get exposure at the highest level & get recruited at the highest level. There’s only a hand full of programs that are doing this consistently so it’s no secret why they have the most talent…this ain’t rocket science.

NS had major flaws on both sides of the ball this year…if they were out recruiting you think they wouldn’t have brought in players to fill those voids? 

So is it your opinion that almost no schools recruit? And I'm just asking, cuz I have no idea.

[OlDawg]

8 minutes ago, Coach_Izzy said:

I’ve never once accused any schools of recruiting…I know first hand that schools who have a ton of success in recent years don’t have to recruit! Kids are fickle & will flock to these programs because they want to win, get exposure at the highest level & get recruited at the highest level. There’s only a hand full of programs that are doing this consistently so it’s no secret why they have the most talent…this ain’t rocket science.

NS had major flaws on both sides of the ball this year…if they were out recruiting you think they wouldn’t have brought in players to fill those voids? 

 I believe NS had a major microscope on their program due to recruiting violations that were caught. Seriously doubt if they’d be doing much right away.

They’re the Astros of TXHSFB. An example.

[SmashMouth]

I'm of the weak opinion, (weak, because I only have opinions of coaches to back it up & not facts) that recruiting (a violation) is much less prevalent than athletes transferring on their own to a better suited school for athletic purposes (also a violation). None of it is acceptable to me, but I understand why people do it.

[Right99JOH]

Maybe this has already been said but one of the biggest narratives is MOMMY and DADDY.... $$'s-N-The-👁️'s

[Right99JOH]

Ladies & Gents.... Coach Izzy is the only person on this site who is never wrong!... 

[Separation Scientist]

2 hours ago, AggiesAreWe said:

Pretty sure starting next year the "brother in law" DEC meetings will cease because a UIL official will be in those meetings per the new regs.

THIS is the biggest first step that will make a real difference. Its about time!

[Coach_Izzy]

1 hour ago, OlDawg said:

 I believe NS had a major microscope on their program due to recruiting violations that were caught. Seriously doubt if they’d be doing much right away.

They’re the Astros of TXHSFB. An example.

And yet they still gotta 4 star WR (Farrakhan) to transfer in after this happened…was he recruited? Or did his Dad want his son playing at NS? Lol

[oldschool2]

3 hours ago, AggiesAreWe said:

Under UIL policy, in order to participate in UIL activities, one has to establish residency within the school district one is attending or one will be ineligible for a calendar year. Also, the DEC can rule ineligible if moved for athletic purposes. This is regardless of open or closed enrollment schools.

Some are talking about moving for better opportunities. It's hard to validate that move when one moves from a school that has an A rating from TEA to a school with a D or F rating. 

Unless the parents moved for work or it was a negative family situation, those kind of moves are obviously for athletic purposes and the student should be rules ineligible.

These new policies and regulations that UIL has just come out with will crack down on some of this mass transfer situation. (i.e. Duncanville girls basketball). It won't stop it completely, but having 10-15 transfers per year will cause major red flags to the UIL and they will step in DEC meetings. 

Pretty sure starting next year the "brother in law" DEC meetings will cease because a UIL official will be in those meetings per the new regs.

Here's where the issue is going to be.  Actually.. just one of the issues.  What if the parents buy a house in that district because it was more affordable?  Or better living conditions?  You already mentioned work.  What if they didn't get along with a teacher / school employee / other students ?  I'm playing devil's advocate here and I'm telling you that if a family uproots and moves, UIL better be careful determining why or why not that happened.  "I know your dad took a job in Northshore, and y'all sold your house, and hired a moving company, and bought a house in Northshore, but your son's previous school has a way better academic rating so you guys obviously did all that for athletic purposes."

I'm just saying... slippery slope. 

[Coach_Izzy]

1 hour ago, SmashMouth said:

So is it your opinion that almost no schools recruit? And I'm just asking, cuz I have no idea.

You missed the part where I said “I know first hand” NS is one of the programs that constantly gets accused of recruiting on this site & I know from experience that doesn’t happen. It ain’t rocket science why the same schools get all the talent…you think it’s because they have the best recruiters on staff? Lol

[Coach_Izzy]

5 minutes ago, oldschool2 said:

Here's where the issue is going to be.  Actually.. just one of the issues.  What if the parents buy a house in that district because it was more affordable?  Or better living conditions?  You already mentioned work.  What if they didn't get along with a teacher / school employee / other students ?  I'm playing devil's advocate here and I'm telling you that if a family uproots and moves, UIL better be careful determining why or why not that happened.  "I know your dad took a job in Northshore, and y'all sold your house, and bought a house in Northshore, but your son's previous school has a way better academic rating so you guys obviously did all that for athletic purposes."

I'm just saying... slippery slope. 

Those news rules won’t stop a thing…promise you lol the rich will continue to get richer!

[oldschool2]

3 minutes ago, Coach_Izzy said:

Those news rules won’t stop a thing…promise you lol the rich will continue to get richer!

I really think that relocation is the equalizer.  Physically moving.. changing your family's permanent address.   Change of employment.  How is the state going to tell a student/family that the only reason they did that was for athletic benefit.  Even if it was.. if it's verbally said and signed that it wasn't, then that's it.  A parent can simply say that they couldn't afford to live in their previous location.  Which may be true.

Using a secondary address... "living" with a relative... sure.  Red flags.

[SmashMouth]

2 hours ago, Coach_Izzy said:

You missed the part where I said “I know first hand” NS is one of the programs that constantly gets accused of recruiting on this site & I know from experience that doesn’t happen. It ain’t rocket science why the same schools get all the talent…you think it’s because they have the best recruiters on staff? Lol

Not according to the UIL...

[CardinalBacker]

15 hours ago, WOSdrummer99 said:

I feel what your saying and understand the situations faced by people of all races. But with the risk of starting to sound like CB. This is not always the case. For those using it as an excuse. Please stop. You are only handicaping yourself and others with the belief that this will always be the ways it is.

I see it first hand here in my hometown. Kids not getting scholarships anymore. And unconfirmed rumors of what they are now doing at school breaks my heart. Or even others that had the chance to get out but couldn't put away their childish ways at the next level. Next thing you know they're back in the Fruit robbing a store at gunpoint. Yep it's bad and getting worse round here. The kids need us to step up. Need those role models back in front of them on a daily basis. Not friends. 

Sorry to veer off topic

Let's be honest... kids who are transferring around in high school TYPICALLY aren't going to college to get a degree.  They're heading there for an NIL deal and then a mega deal after they play out their rookie deal in the pros.  Education is the LAST thing on their mind. But statistically speaking, they'll likely never finish a degree plan or DEFINITELY never make the pros.  So why are people selling them a lie?

At that point you have to ask "what's the point of going to college if you're going to be unsuccessful academically, then never make the pros?" You're just setting kids up for failure in life just so that your favorite high school team can get a few more wins.  That's how kids end up back in their hometowns in trouble with the law.  

That's my problem with society in general.  One community says "have fun... when it's over you can join the military, hop on that Hazelwood and get moving in life. Or hold down a part time job, take out some loans, further your education and get a semi-white collar job.   Heck, go learn a trade and make decent money... you can have a good life-it's all up to you."  So kids do.

Another community says "the only way you're gonna make it out of here is by balling out or dropping a fire mix-tape."  Which doesn't happen, except when the stars completely align.  When a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of kids actually do manage to earn a living as an athlete, why do we sell that pipe dream to everybody?

I doubt that a single kid from PNG over the last two years ever plays a snap of pro ball.  I'd bet that MAYBE two kids from SOC in the same era will ever play a snap of pro ball.  So was it worth it?

 

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[Boyz N Da Hood]

SOC got some folks upset! No point in sugarcoating it... this topic was mute last year

[AggiesAreWe]

10 minutes ago, Boyz N Da Hood said:

SOC got some folks upset! No point in sugarcoating it... this topic was mute last year

I agree. This has been an issue for many, many years. 

I can see someone seeing this as sour grapes.

[89Falcon]

4 hours ago, Coach_Izzy said:

You missed the part where I said “I know first hand” NS is one of the programs that constantly gets accused of recruiting on this site & I know from experience that doesn’t happen. It ain’t rocket science why the same schools get all the talent…you think it’s because they have the best recruiters on staff? Lol

Did NS have a coach receive a "multi-year ban" for recruiting? 

[CardinalBacker]

54 minutes ago, AggiesAreWe said:

I agree. This has been an issue for many, many years. 

I can see someone seeing this as sour grapes.

I wouldn’t expect Silsbee to have a problem with it.

 

🙄

[bullets13]

57 minutes ago, AggiesAreWe said:

I agree. This has been an issue for many, many years. 

I can see someone seeing this as sour grapes.

To be fair, silsbee fans were all over the internet and Facebook griping about the same thing after losing to faith family.  And as someone who supports them because they’re local, I was right there with them.  It’s hard to blame PNG fans for their sour grapes, although they weren’t winning state this year anyway.  

[AggiesAreWe]

2 minutes ago, CardinalBacker said:

I wouldn’t expect Silsbee to have a problem with it.

 

🙄

I have a problem with mass transfers and the DEC's not doing their jobs correctly.

[AggiesAreWe]

1 minute ago, bullets13 said:

To be fair, silsbee fans were all over the internet and Facebook griping about the same thing after losing to faith family.  And as someone who supports them because they’re local, I was right there with them.  It’s hard to blame PNG fans for their sour grapes, although they weren’t winning state this year anyway.  

The complaining about Faith Family has been going on for many years by many people.

Didn't just start last season with Silsbee folks.

I actually think that's a different topic all together.

I also think some sour grapes were involved with Silsbee folks last year.

[bullets13]

14 minutes ago, AggiesAreWe said:

The complaining about Faith Family has been going on for many years by many people.

Didn't just start last season with Silsbee folks.

I actually think that's a different topic all together.

I also think some sour grapes were involved with Silsbee folks last year.

I guess my point is sometimes things aren’t as big of a deal until they affect you directly 

[Coach_Izzy]

4 hours ago, SmashMouth said:

Not according to the UIL...

 

1 hour ago, 89Falcon said:

Did NS have a coach receive a "multi-year ban" for recruiting? 

A coach who hadn’t been employed at NS for even a full year & was running an outside recruiting service on his own. 

NS has been dominating for 20+ years and never got hit with a recruiting violation lol please stop reaching. 

[Coach_Izzy]

1 hour ago, Boyz N Da Hood said:

SOC got some folks upset! No point in sugarcoating it... this topic was mute last year

Bingo