PN-G bamatex Posted January 12 Report Posted January 12 3 hours ago, 89Falcon said: OK, Westlake and SLC are single most affluent areas in the state. PNG is not close to them and is lower than BH. The "dynamics" disparity did not impact Joseph and it will have nothing to do with the success of BH next coach. Who said the difference in dynamics is relegated entirely to wealth? Look up how all those communities vote. Cedar Park is one of the bluest suburbs in Texas and has been for two decades. Westlake and PN-G are almost equally red. Southlake has traditionally been a red suburb, and is trending back that way the last cycle or two after a turning reddish-purple during the first Trump term. You brought Westlake, PN-G, and Southlake into a conversation that was really about the differences between Cedar Park and Mont Belvieu. My best guess is that you were trying to deflect a point about how radically different the 620 corridor is from Eagle Drive, and turn this into some sort of referendum on PN-G, I’m guessing out of subconscious frustration over BH’s inability to successfully hire away our coach. But since “PNG is lower than BH” and nowhere near the glorious level of affluence the rich Austin and Dallas suburbs enjoy, why don’t you ask former Westlake HC Todd Dodge how interested he was in the PN-G job in 2022, how the conversation that led to his consulting contract at PN-G actually started, and why the Nederland job was on his radar two years later? And while you’re at it, maybe take this one from the guy who’s lived in the 77651, the 78613, and the 78641, and who’s worked for three separate elected officials that represent the 76092 (and for that matter, got a new school authorized right down the road in Lewisville two years ago): On a spectrum that includes the PN-G, BH, Westlake, Southlake, and Cedar Park/Northwest Hills communities, the first four are all way closer to each other in terms of culture, values, history, and tradition than any of them are to the Highway 183 Province of the People’s Republic of Austin. navydawg31 and AggiesAreWe 2 Quote
89Falcon Posted January 12 Report Posted January 12 36 minutes ago, PN-G bamatex said: Who said the difference in dynamics is relegated entirely to wealth? Look up how all those communities vote. Cedar Park is one of the bluest suburbs in Texas and has been for two decades. Westlake and PN-G are almost equally red. Southlake has traditionally been a red suburb, and is trending back that way the last cycle or two after a turning reddish-purple during the first Trump term. You brought Westlake, PN-G, and Southlake into a conversation that was really about the differences between Cedar Park and Mont Belvieu. My best guess is that you were trying to deflect a point about how radically different the 620 corridor is from Eagle Drive, and turn this into some sort of referendum on PN-G, I’m guessing out of subconscious frustration over BH’s inability to successfully hire away our coach. But since “PNG is lower than BH” and nowhere near the glorious level of affluence the rich Austin and Dallas suburbs enjoy, why don’t you ask former Westlake HC Todd Dodge how interested he was in the PN-G job in 2022, how the conversation that led to his consulting contract at PN-G actually started, and why the Nederland job was on his radar two years later? And while you’re at it, maybe take this one from the guy who’s lived in the 77651, the 78613, and the 78641, and who’s worked for three separate elected officials that represent the 76092 (and for that matter, got a new school authorized right down the road in Lewisville two years ago): On a spectrum that includes the PN-G, BH, Westlake, Southlake, and Cedar Park/Northwest Hills communities, the first four are all way closer to each other in terms of culture, values, history, and tradition than any of them are to the Highway 183 Province of the People’s Republic of Austin. “Dynamics” are not relevant. Only good coaching, leadership and management skills. Quote
PN-G bamatex Posted January 12 Report Posted January 12 4 minutes ago, 89Falcon said: “Dynamics” are not relevant. Only good coaching, leadership and management skills. I'll agree with you that good coaching, leadership, and management skills are all necessities for a successful program, but do not underestimate the importance of school and community culture. Asbeck's departure from Cedar Park is not the only reason that program is not dominant like it was ten years ago. Mr. Buddy Garrity and OlDawg 2 Quote
Matt Dillon Posted January 12 Report Posted January 12 4 hours ago, OlDawg said: Worse than being jailed for failure to cooperate with law enforcement, or sending out highly derogatory tweets about other local school districts & towns? Because, apparently, those are okay... This….. Wonder how many other Bh employees would have been given a free pass if they had committed these acts or been arrested in a pretty publicized event Goslin 1 Quote
Separation Scientist Posted January 12 Report Posted January 12 Its pretty cool seeing BH being discussed with the likes of Lake Travis, Westlake, SLC, etc. but I don't agree with the comparisons. I don't understand the red/blue political angle of it, nor the landscape thing (of course Cen-Tex has a different landscape than SE TX). BH is not full of limosine liberals like the Austin area is. Mont Belvieu is full of blue collar, 12hr. shift working families. As much as I like Abseck, he and Cedar Park have little to do with BH's path forward at this point, so I don't see the point of CP comparisons, either. Quote
Separation Scientist Posted January 12 Report Posted January 12 On 1/10/2025 at 2:16 PM, bullets13 said: If true, they got A guy. I've heard of at least 4 different "their guys" turning down the job, and that's just what we know about. I'm also real curious about this hiring process. I think the standard is pretty high, so the candidates would be the kind that can pick and choose. This is not a job for just any random candidate. Therefore, it is perfectly reasonable a few would decline, since they are are already likely in a great place. Like I said earlier, I know any decline would be percieved as a jab at BH, of course. I don't think there is one perfect candidate. There are probably 50+ HS coaches in TX that could do an outstanding job at BH. Whoever it is, rest assured the choice will be immeadately and roundly critiqued. Quote
Separation Scientist Posted January 12 Report Posted January 12 On 1/10/2025 at 2:40 PM, navydawg31 said: I’m willing to bet not a Houston area coach… sheesh them coaches on that post on X was brutal in regards of BH They must read SETXSports, LOL. Quote
Bigdog Posted January 13 Report Posted January 13 A lot of apples to pineapple comparisons on this thread... Quote
OlDawg Posted January 13 Report Posted January 13 17 hours ago, Separation Scientist said: Its pretty cool seeing BH being discussed with the likes of Lake Travis, Westlake, SLC, etc. but I don't agree with the comparisons. I don't understand the red/blue political angle of it, nor the landscape thing (of course Cen-Tex has a different landscape than SE TX). BH is not full of limosine liberals like the Austin area is. Mont Belvieu is full of blue collar, 12hr. shift working families. As much as I like Abseck, he and Cedar Park have little to do with BH's path forward at this point, so I don't see the point of CP comparisons, either. I only mentioned the landscape/amenities difference because most HC/AD candidates are married, and their spouses play a major role similar to military families. A HC/AD is basically ‘on deployment’ for a large part of the year, and their spouse has to carry a big load. If a spouse is used to having certain amenities/stores/activities close by with easy access, it may make a move—which is already difficult—even harder. So, it’s something to consider. Mt. Belvieu is growing. But, it’s still kind of in the middle of not much comparatively. It does have some advantages being in Chambers County compared to Harris for sure. For the record, I thought Abseck had y’all on the right track. Sorry it wound up as it has… Quote
PN-G bamatex Posted January 13 Report Posted January 13 On 1/12/2025 at 3:15 PM, Separation Scientist said: Its pretty cool seeing BH being discussed with the likes of Lake Travis, Westlake, SLC, etc. but I don't agree with the comparisons. I don't understand the red/blue political angle of it, nor the landscape thing (of course Cen-Tex has a different landscape than SE TX). BH is not full of limosine liberals like the Austin area is. Mont Belvieu is full of blue collar, 12hr. shift working families. As much as I like Abseck, he and Cedar Park have little to do with BH's path forward at this point, so I don't see the point of CP comparisons, either. OlDawg's point is salient, but I'll add some additional food for thought. Put yourself in the shoes of a head coach. You want to build a winning program and you know you need to establish the right program culture to do that. You want to work at a school with a culture that's conducive to that kind of thing, run by an administration that supports it and a community that values it. Do you want to work in a school system where an appreciable number of students is running around wearing animal masks, audibly barking, growling, meowing, and purring in classrooms, because they openly identify as a species other than human? With an administration that either finds that behavior acceptable or is too afraid of social media hysteria to squelch it, and an appreciable number of parents and faculty in the community who openly, vocally support it? Do you think that kind of general social dynamic at the school you work for is compatible with the program culture you need to build to have sustained success on the field and, ultimately, mold successful, healthy, balanced, well-adjusted young men? More importantly, do you think that kind of culture lends itself to any kind of success at that school, academic, extracurricular, or otherwise? Do you think it promotes an effective learning environment, or that it more likely disrupts that environment with excessive and unnecessary distractions that ultimately make it harder for good teachers to teach and dedicated students to learn? That's the behavior that's crept into--and become all too prolific in--the high schools in the Round Rock and Leander school districts the last few school years, and that's the dilemma that's come with it. I personally know teachers leaving for other districts or private schools, or leaving the profession altogether, because of it. And I've seen firsthand parents who feel like their kids are trapped in it. Reread my post. I stated that "[o]n a spectrum that includes the PN-G, BH, Westlake, Southlake, and Cedar Park/Northwest Hills communities, the first four are all way closer to each other in terms of culture, values, history, and tradition than any of them are to the Highway 183 Province of the People’s Republic of Austin." I know for a fact this sort of thing isn't happening in Port Neches, Groves, Eanes, or Lakeway. I don't think it's happening in Southlake or Mont Belvieu, either. But it's definitely happening along the line between Travis County and Williamson County. That's where your political--and more importantly, social--dynamic comes into play. And that's all that I had in mind when I made the simple comment that different dynamics exist between Barbers Hill and Cedar Park that birthed this line of conversation. Separation Scientist and myrecordwashorrible 2 Quote
BlackShirts5 Posted January 13 Report Posted January 13 Bring Back Craig Mac :). He was awesome Quote
Goslin Posted January 13 Report Posted January 13 Nothing says “winning culture” like firing the HFC because he wouldn’t give the Supt’s son playing time Junior didn’t earn. 89Falcon 1 Quote
2wedge Posted January 14 Report Posted January 14 Boy, this has gone extra quiet. Guess it'll be that way until next week. Can't wait to see what they've pulled off this time. Quote
Old Ape Posted January 14 Report Posted January 14 How many dads in Southlake, Westlake, or Vandergrift communities wear a Blue Jump suit to work? For that matter throw in Allen, Lewisville, and Cedar Park. PNG has plenty!!!!!!! By "Dynamics" you mean white kids?? Quote
89Falcon Posted January 14 Report Posted January 14 1 hour ago, Old Ape said: How many dads in Southlake, Westlake, or Vandergrift communities wear a Blue Jump suit to work? For that matter throw in Allen, Lewisville, and Cedar Park. PNG has plenty!!!!!!! By "Dynamics" you mean white kids?? Lewisville not like the rest of the ones you mentioned. Quote
navydawg31 Posted January 14 Report Posted January 14 All these dynamic talks but nothing about the actual topic… Quote
Separation Scientist Posted January 14 Report Posted January 14 On 1/8/2025 at 5:33 PM, Matt Dillon said: I definitely agree that those guys are in a spot that a lot of coaches would love to be in at some point in their careers…I don’t really see their recusal as a jab at BH as much as reluctance to work in what sounds like, from the outside, as a pretty toxic atmosphere (was it physical atmosphere or physical speed) from fhe Administration building…. Again, I’m on the outside and not overly familiar with the everyday workings of BH… No, I was not referring to any of the prospective coaches, I was pointing to the posters here routinely critical of all thing BH. Quote
Separation Scientist Posted January 14 Report Posted January 14 On 1/13/2025 at 8:54 AM, OlDawg said: For the record, I thought Abseck had y’all on the right track. Sorry it wound up as it has… Me too. He did. I already miss Abseck. He was not perfect by any means (who is?) but he definitely had it going the right direction. Had he had anywhere near a full team not decimated by injuries he would likely gone farther than he did. Still beat TW's record though. BH never missed the playoffs. Abseck will find a great landing spot, he should be one of the most desirable candidates available statewide. Meanwhile, the BH Admin needs to make a great hire soon. If it does not go well it will glare back at them. Big time. Goslin 1 Quote
oldschool2 Posted January 14 Report Posted January 14 BH wouldn't be a good job right now. I know they'll be able to throw some money at whoever, and have nice facilities. But.. the helicopter parents situation will be a fraction of the problem that going 6A is going to be. Coaches that are used to winning a lot of games and making deep runs aren't going to be happy with going 3-7 and missing the playoffs. Which is about what I predict when BH starts playing with Northshore and friends. navydawg31, Mr. Buddy Garrity, Goslin and 1 other 4 Quote
Separation Scientist Posted January 14 Report Posted January 14 2 minutes ago, oldschool2 said: BH wouldn't be a good job right now. Feel free to not apply. Quote
oldschool2 Posted January 14 Report Posted January 14 13 minutes ago, Separation Scientist said: Feel free to not apply. Is it safe to assume that you didn't read anything past the part of my response that you quoted? And no worries.. even if I were in the profession, I'm not the type of personality that would end up with a job at the type of school that's partial to kids of administrators getting to play... simply for being an administrator's kid. In fact, it would likely come up during an interview that I'd play kids based on their ability to help the team win games. Assuming that they all adhered to the team standards. Like being present.. on time.. studious.. you know. The things that some might ignore. Anyway.. that would probably take me out of the ring. Mr. Buddy Garrity, Goslin and bullets13 3 Quote
Rez Posted January 14 Report Posted January 14 1 hour ago, Separation Scientist said: No, I was not referring to any of the prospective coaches, I was pointing to the posters here routinely critical of all thing BH. You overestimate how much anyone thinks about BH, for good or bad. navydawg31, bullets13, BEARCPA and 2 others 4 1 Quote
Separation Scientist Posted January 14 Report Posted January 14 Its 24/7, for some. Others, I agree. Quote
Goslin Posted January 15 Report Posted January 15 4 hours ago, oldschool2 said: BH wouldn't be a good job right now. I know they'll be able to throw some money at whoever, and have nice facilities. But.. the helicopter parents situation will be a fraction of the problem that going 6A is going to be. Coaches that are used to winning a lot of games and making deep runs aren't going to be happy with going 3-7 and missing the playoffs. Which is about what I predict when BH starts playing with Northshore and friends. 5-5 is more like it with BH replacing GCM in 23-6A after next school year IF BH chooses their out-of-District opponents better than they did this last season. They’ll get blown out by North Shore, Atascocita, Summer Creek, lose to Kingwood and CE King, and win against Humble and Channelview plus 3 tomato cans in Out of District and that gets them to 5-5 6th in District year after year after year but no better than that. Lot of folks with locs on those Eastside teams really looking forward to playing Barbers Hill. Coach Abseck might not be able to see it right now but in the long run Supt. Poole may have done him a favor. Austin1985 and Mr. Buddy Garrity 1 1 Quote
Clueless Posted January 15 Report Posted January 15 7 hours ago, Old Ape said: How many dads in Southlake, Westlake, or Vandergrift communities wear a Blue Jump suit to work? For that matter throw in Allen, Lewisville, and Cedar Park. PNG has plenty!!!!!!! By "Dynamics" you mean white kids?? I think they meant “Atmosphere”😂 Who remembers that a couple years back? Mr. Buddy Garrity 1 Quote
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